Talk:sub-

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Sublime links here, as its prefix is "Sub", however it makes no sense. Take a look:

From sublime page:

• Latin sub- ('up to' or 'upwards')

From Sub- page:

• sub-
  • "under, beneath" (examples: subterranean, submarine)
  • "subsidiary, secondary" (example: subplot)
  • "almost, nearly" (example: subhuman)

Can someone please explain. 195.174.104.173 15:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)... Just got an account: SadanYagci 15:32, 13 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

Either sub-#Latin is incorrect or sublime is incorrect. Where is the template for "This page ([page name here]) contradicts this page: [page name here]" that is at Wikipedia? Also doesn't the prefix "sub-" mean "within", "in", or "a part of"; examples of that meaning: "subset", "substring", "subdomain", and "subsequence". --Spunionztastic (talk) 04:45, 11 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

Why prefix sub- means "up to"? 31.14.95.79 07:18, 30 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

The English prefix sub- first appeared in the Middle English period and seems to have been borrowed directly from LatinTemplate:Fact, although it previously existed in words borrowed from Old French. In Latin it was both a prefix and a preposition. Meanings found in English include:

• "under, beneath" (examples: subterranean, submarine)
• "subsidiary, secondary" (example: subplot)
• "almost, nearly" (example: subhuman)
• (a few usages) "similar to but smaller": submachine gun, subnotebook

Forms

Its sandhi variant forms are:

• Assimilation:
  • sub + c → succ- (example succession)
  • sub + f → suff- (example suffer)
  • sub + g → sugg- (example suggestion)
  • sub + p → supp- (example support)
  • sub + r → surr- (example resurrection)
• Elision:
  • sub (before s + another consonant) → su- (example suspect)

I see an issue with the "usage notes" section: The two different classes "sub + sp" and "sub + s" are listed, while both classes' examples seem to belong to the first class: suspect and suspire. I've tried to come up with an example of the second class and found "subside", which suggests that "sub + s" doesn't cause any change of the prefix. However, I don't know whether (a) this is a "legimitate" example and (b) the contraction is a necessity or just an option (i.e. there are words where the letter is assimilated, while for others this is not the case).

Since I'm a layperson, I will not make any changes to the article, but I wanted to bring it up. --Bfx 12:29, 28 April 2011 (UTC)Reply

According to the LPD, a) As a productive prefix /¦sʌb / (e.g., ˈsubcomˌmittee, ˌ••ˈ••); as a fossilized prefix, usually /səb or sʌb/ if the following syllable is stressed (subˈstantial), but ¦sʌb if not (ˈsubstance). JMGN (talk) 00:13, 10 October 2024 (UTC)Reply