Talk:China

What is meant by a "trashy" sound in the definition of the cymbal? — Paul G 15:36, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

A fair question. The answer is probably "you'll know it when you hear it." It may be that the most precise definition we can give is "a type of cymbal", with the rest as a helpful hint. The only other things to add would be some description of its shape (if it's different from a normal cymbal) and composition. And maybe, why it's called a "china". -dmh 17:07, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Careful - the common noun is now redirecting to this page, which needs to be fixed. The common-noun content needs to be moved to a separate page. — 193.203.81.129 30 June 2005 12:14 (UTC)

Borrowed from Portuguese China, from Persian چین (čin) from Middle Persian 𐭰𐭩𐭭 (čīn, “China”), from Sanskrit चीन (cīna, “the Chinese; China”) of uncertain etymology. It is usually thought to be derived from 秦 (Qín, “Qin”), Middle Chinese: 秦 (MC dzin), Old Chinese: 秦 (OC *zin), the westernmost ancient Chinese state, but other theories have been proposed, including derivation from 晉／晋 (jìn, “Jin”), Middle Chinese: 晉 (MC tsinH), Old Chinese: 晉 (OC *ʔsins), 荊／荆 (jīng, “Jing”), or Zina, a name for the inhabitants of the Yelang (夜郎 (Yèláng)) kingdom. See "Names of China" at Wikipedia.

This needlessly repetitive eyesore doesn't necessarily mean that the {{zh-l}}, {{ltc-l}}, and {{och-l}} templates need to be entirely reworked (although I personally think they do) but it does serve as a good example of how ridiculous they are when used in combination. Don't do this.

Also, the Chinese name of "Yelang" has nothing at all to do with the etymology here. — LlywelynII 13:25, 30 April 2022 (UTC)Reply