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Thanks for the expansion. I thought he was italian because of this article that I'd used as a source. Please add any further comments for me to my talk page instead of my user page. --Onorem♠Dil 00:08, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again for taking the time to expand this article. It looks so much better than it did as a stub. --Onorem♠Dil 14:12, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

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However, for textual content, you may simply consider rewriting the content in your own words. Thank you. Corvus cornix_talk 01:47, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

"Hangon" doesn't apply to copyright violations. Please rewrite the article in your own words. Corvus cornix_talk 01:52, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry could you be more specific? pohick203:08, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I am not an admin, so I can't restore anything. Nor did I delete anything. The copyrighted material was deleted by an admin. The material on the pages I nominated was copied word for word from the source I provided, it was not a matter of quoting Mr. Pike. Corvus cornix_talk 02:52, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of copyrighted material is very much policy. If you disagree with the deletions, you can list them at WP:DRV, but copyrighted material is never restored unless you can provide proof that you are the copyright holder. Corvus cornix_talk 02:57, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

what don't you understand about fair use? does it exist at all?Pohick2 (talk) 02:59, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Copying word for word from another site is not fair use. See WP:FU. Besides which, you did not indicate where the material came from, that's a severe violation of any fair use claims you might be trying to make. Corvus cornix_talk 03:07, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

did you miss the big footnote you deleted? 03:12, 6 September 2008 (UTC) i also noted reference in the talk, but you know we have an impass, if you want me to write the article you will accomodate my method of composition, otherwise fine, write it yourself. Pohick2 (talk) 03:14, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I have no interest in this person, in fact, I don't think he meets our criteria at WP:BIO, but that has nothing to do with the discussion here. I told you to list them at WP:DRV, I don't see any point in rehashing this over and over. And need I keep reminding you that I didn't delete anything? And we don't want to accomodate a method of composition which consists of violating copyright. Corvus cornix_talk 03:17, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

2nd disagreement, left note at [[1]]Pohick2 (talk) 03:23, 6 September 2008 (UTC) hmm WP:BITE lol

Hi Pohick - please don't add stub templates to article talk pages - they're meant to go on the articles themselves (see WP:STUB). Cheers, Grutness...wha? 00:53, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Pohick, thanks much for your comments at Lafayette's peer review. As per your notes, I've fleshed out the sections on the Battle of Green Spring (and a litte more about the general prelude to Yorktown), and the skirmish at Barren Hill. I was wondering if you would be able to take a look at those sections and let me know what you think after the augmentations. Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 23:42, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks again for your comments. I closed the peer review and opened an A-class review because I didn't think there'd be anymore comments (just to let you know...it's no big deal), but feel free to comment there. Anyway, yes, interesting about thing about the Conway cabal. I wonder what Gates would have done if given command? Lazulilasher (talk) 01:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Pohick, sorry I've been a little incognito lately--I'm simultaneously working on my other big project the Louvre. Anyway, I expanded the bits about Adrienne; specifically, I noted that she sold her assets. About Gouverneur Morris, I also added his involvement, especially when he noted that A's execution would severely impair the relationship between the US & France (which was a big deal as France's only real ally then was the US). Let me know what you think; and if you believe it is sufficient. Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 15:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the Barren Hill pic, it helps illustrate the scene. I only wish it were at a higher res. I wonder what the writing says? Lazulilasher (talk) 03:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Plan de la retraite de Barren Hill en Pennsylvanie ou un detachment de deux mille deux cent hommes sour le Genl LaFayette sois[?] ensource j[?] l'Armee Anglois source le Genl Howe, Clinton, Gram[?] le 28 may 1778.

Hey Pohick, haven't seen you in a bit.

Just wanted to let you know what was going on with that "horrid" Lafayette (as Marie Antoinette referred to him, once. Or close. Apparently Lafayette offered aid to protect her and the Queen said she "would rather die than be saved by that horrid Lafayette"...guess she shoulda chose the horrid). Anyway, wanted to let you know I tossed in a bunch of new stuff about his involvement in the French Rev; and made that section adhere closer to a timeline. Let me know what you think, if you get a chance. Lazulilasher (talk) 02:57, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

good stuff, although i think you might be at the point of diminishing returns, (i don't see the improvement of U.S. versus Americans), i see you left the maps in, should i put in Monmouth map? Pohick2 (talk) 20:09, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I didn't do the US/American thing; that was another editor. I just changed it because he wrote "US" twice in one sentence. Ya, but try and have one map per section, the article's at FAC now--and they are sticklers about that sort of thing. I think I might be a the point of diminishing returns now, also. That's why I nommed it at FAC. I feel anything added now will be just unnecessary detail. His life has full coverage, with a roughly 50/50 split b/w the US/French revs. Lazulilasher (talk) 22:58, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, There were a couple of problems with your substantial article on Belvoir plantation.

• You'd got the name wrong - WP style takes lower case for disambiguators in brackets like "(plantation)". There was already a link on the disambiguation page to the correct form of name, and links from several articles - which I see you carefully altered to match your "..(P.." title. I've moved the article to the standard form of name and mended all the links. Another time, please follow WP style in naming an article.

• You added a {{stub}} tag: the article may need some section headings, perhaps could use a few more links, and probably would benefit from an image or two, but it isn't a stub. Please don't label non-stubs as stubs, it wastes the time of stub-sorting folk at WP:WSS - though having come here from there I then got distracted onto fixing up the article a bit anyway! See WP:STUB: "An article too short to provide more than rudimentary information about a subject should be marked as a stub by adding a stub template ".

• The article didn't give any context. I've added a standard sort of opening lead sentence - see WP:LEAD, which includes "The first paragraph of the introductory text needs to unambiguously define the topic for the reader. It should establish the context in which the topic is being considered, by supplying the set of circumstances or facts that surround it. If appropriate, give the location and time context.". I had no idea, from your opening paragraph, where this plantation was - I assumed Caribbean at first. Don't assume that everyone knows what you're talking about - people come to WP articles by all sorts of routes including clicking the "Random article" button! If my lead sentence isn't right, please fix it, but it gives an idea of the sort of intro the article needs.

PamD (talk) 12:33, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I apologize for the rather belated thank you, as I did not notice that you had updated my user page. I wanted to thank you for your Article Rescue Barnstar for meritorious rescue of ruse of war, an article that was fascinating to read and even more intersting to find ample reliable sources for. Thanks again for noticing. Alansohn (talk) 18:12, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, we'll see. It's pretty unconventional to focus so much on quotes. BTW, do you preview before saving? I think that once you have the sections laid out, you can open, one at a time, as many secns as you end up working on, and keep the history to one save per section per editing session.
--Jerzy•t 01:31, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

The WikiProject Novels Newsletter Issue 27 - October 2008

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The WikiProject Novels Newsletter Issue 28 - November 2008

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What will we get from Munger next, the Wim Wam Bam effect? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.51.240 (talk) 14:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Good job on that article. Having a separate venue for her exploits allows us to more closely focus on the General in his article. As it were, Lafayette's article was becoming unwieldy large. This is quite a positive development. Keep it up. Lazulilasher (talk) 04:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Pohick: As I was reading the article on her husband, I naturally clicked her name & read the article. There are interesting documents available thru Google. She is not the subject I would be working on; however, when I read something, I leave traces behind!

Bonne année 2009 ! Frania W. (talk) 00:14, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Pohick: In Adrienne's descendants, I found this: Maria Rignon married Count Augusto Gazelli di Rossana e di Sebastiano. They had a daughter, Liusa Gazelli (19 May 1896 - 1989).

As you will notice, there is something wrong in the dates of Liusa Gazelli: 1896-1989 Also, is not the daughter Luisa instead of Liusa?

Cordialement, Frania W. (talk) 16:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

yes looks a little fishy, will look into (that's what the wiki articles say) - well Maria had Luisa at the age of 38, and she married the WWI fighter ace. (it will take me some time to get the german language genealogy source at the LOC) but it's the genealogy of the queen of belgium (hopefully the chart clarifies) pohick (talk) 16:59, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Pohick: My comment at Adrienne's discussion page: *Whenever I run into the French text that discusses George vs Georges spelling for LF's son, I shall bring it here. Cordialement, FW*

Frania W. (talk) 11:48, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Pohick: I just went thru the whole LF article, doing some easy editing, and must go thru it again for certain details that I need to check beforehand. Cordialement, Frania W. (talk) 00:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

good work, "quibble" as an american, i prefer honor to honour pohick (talk) 02:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

*honor vs honour*: to whichever you give allegiance... je m'en lave les mains: it's your baby now! except for the details I need to check on. See you at Adrienne's. Frania W. (talk) 02:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		For incredible contributions to Gilbert du Motier, marquis de Lafayette, the Barnstar is awarded to Pohick2. --Leodmacleod (talk) 20:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

thanks, now if we could just get it to FA level pohick (talk) 22:23, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Pohick, I saw your note about French nobility. If memory serves, I believe Frania (above) is quite knowledgeable about French nobility. I think he was working on a project. Lazulilasher (talk) 15:04, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

yes, i was thinking of the peerage boxes, and lines developed like Lord Fairfax of Cameron, useful for Bryan Fairfax, 8th Lord Fairfax of Cameron, while the List of marquisates in France is undeveloped. lots of work to do. pohick (talk) 15:12, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

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Why does the article start: "Henriette-Anne-Louise d'Aguesseau,"? Which is right? PamD (talk) 22:38, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

you are correct, that was an old red link with the names twisted (sigh) pohick (talk) 22:50, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

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Thank you for your work on this! Bearian (talk) 22:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

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The WikiProject Novels Newsletter Issue 29 - March 2009

Archives  |  Tip Line  |  Editors The Novels WikiProject Newsletter Issue 28 - November 2008 From the Coordinators As you can see, this is about as bare-bones of a newsletter as you can get. The reason for this is that the newsletter has and will be inactive, but we wanted to get a last one out detailing the current state of our project. The truth is that WP:NOVELS is in bad shape. Only a few editors are active in editing inside of our project. Our Peer Review section, this newsletter, our task forces, and our collaboration center are all dead; although a collab is picked each month, not a lot of work seems to occur. Out of these ashes, we are proposing that the project start an A-class review system. This will hopefully bring people together for reviewing, and will perhaps get the project some sorely-needed attention from others who can come in and help rehabilitate it. Final plans have not been established, but we will see about getting a mass message out to all of the project members if/when it is set up; discussion of this can be conducted on the General Forum. This newsletter will probably be the last we will have for a long time, as neither Ed nor Kevinalewis have the time to create these every month. However, if any editor is willing to step up and create one, we would be glad to assist you in making it up. If you don't want to create a newsletter, but would still like to help, there are plenty of things that can be done. As detailed on the right, the Novels Peer Review section has four articles needing attention, but only one review has been done; one from May, one from November, and one from December have not had any comments left on them. Please consider helping out there; even a 15-minute review would help. Your coords, –Kevinalewis (talk · contribs) and the_ed17 (talk · contribs) Member news Talk between Kevinalewis and the_ed17, the two project coordinators, has led to us deciding to suspend elections for coordinators indefinitely. With the exceedingly low amount of participation in the last elections (five total votes), we do not feel that it is worth it to try to set up another election. 20 positions remain unfilled at the Job Centre. Members who are active project contributors are encouraged to apply even if they can only do a position for a short time. Collaboration of the Month This month's Collaboration has been selected by popular vote and is : Shantaram (novel). The next collaboration is due for selection in April, so cast your vote. Peer review and assessment news Peer Reviews are still open for four articles – Sector General, Petals of Blood, Scenes of Clerical Life, and Flowers for Algernon. Feel free to submit any novel-related article that you are working on for review, but please consider stopping by and reviewing an article; we need more reviewers for our articles (there is a PR that has been open since May)! – the_ed17 (talk) Announcements and open tasks WikiProject Novels • (inc. novellas, novelettes & short stories) Announcements and open tasks (watch • edit • discuss • changes) → Please help with tagging articles! Critique (Featured article): 33 achieved Novels WikiProject Peer reviews: • Sector General • Petals of Blood • Flowers for Algernon Improve: Oberon Old and New • The Age of Reason • Furies of Calderon • Wolf Brother • The Monk • The English Patient • Bones of the Moon Create: To the Vanishing Point • Spoilt City Recently a new worklist had been created and quietly arrived, the Cleanup listing which gives a fairly comprehensive hit list of "novels" related articles that have been tagged for something or other. Since then a new Article alerts listing has also been added of more topic and "urgent" items worthy of our attention.

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A tag has been placed on Thomas Swiss requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. NeutralHomer • Talk • March 8, 2009 @ 22:50 22:50, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

If you create a new page like this, and have to add a disambiguation in brackets because there's already an article, or a disambiguation page, at the name you want to use, don't forget to provide some navigation so that the reader who searches for the name, here "Mark Levine", will be led to your new page. If it's a disambiguation page, add an entry; if there's just a single article, add a "hatnote" using a template such as {{otheruses4}}. In this case, I've added an entry to the dab page at Mark Levine. PamD (talk) 23:00, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

First off, probably a bad idea to start off your post with "what is your problem"....just saying. Second, it is a personal call of whoever reviews the page. I didn't think it was notable. The deleting admin might, ya never know. When you make pages, you should add as much information, references, and sources as you can so it doesn't get marked for deletion. - NeutralHomer • Talk • March 8, 2009 @ 23:25

A tag has been placed on Jane Cooper requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. NeutralHomer • Talk • March 9, 2009 @ 01:05 01:05, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I just don't think a page with 3 paragraphs of information and a couple lists with very little references and some Google Books links makes a page necessary. Again, this is a personal call. - NeutralHomer • Talk • March 9, 2009 @ 01:40

Like I said, it is a personal call. When someone is reviewing pages on "New Page" patrol, it is their call on what they think is notable. That differs from person to person. What I might think is notable, might be completely different from what the admin reviewing my call thinks is notable....or the person also watching the "New Page" section. It is a personal call. - NeutralHomer • Talk • March 9, 2009 @ 01:56

I see no "unpleasant pushback". You are upset that your page might be deleted and you are taking it out on the person who has nominated your page for deletion. If that is "unpleasant pushback", well, I think I have had worse. I stand by my call and will not be changing it unless there is information added to the page. - NeutralHomer • Talk • March 9, 2009 @ 02:07

Please see The Zax. - NeutralHomer • Talk • March 9, 2009 @ 02:11

lol "I stand by my call and will not be changing it" me too pohick (talk) 02:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Since that was a little over your head, WP:DICK might be a little easier for you to understand. - NeutralHomer • Talk • March 9, 2009 @ 02:58

lol, answering my question, your problem is an idee fixe, and lack of vocabulary pohick (talk) 03:01, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

seems someone knows some French, problem with that is, this is the English Wikipedia. Also, nothing is "dominating" my mind for "especially for a prolonged period" as I have long since moved on to other things here on Wikipedia and you are still talking about the same thing. - NeutralHomer • Talk • March 9, 2009 @ 03:23

A tag has been placed on Dennis Covington requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. NeutralHomer • Talk • March 9, 2009 @ 02:26 02:26, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Robert Lacy requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. NeutralHomer • Talk • March 9, 2009 @ 03:29 03:29, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

• I have undeleted it and AfD'ed it Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Lacy (2nd nomination). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:28, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

You are not allowed, under any circumstances, post any comment of my own on anyone else's talk page like here. This causes confusion and could be considered vandalism. If you want to quote me, by all means, go ahead, but don't post my comments willy-nilly like I posted them there myself. If it happens again, you will be reported to WP:ANI and the correct action taken. - NeutralHomer • Talk • March 9, 2009 @ 22:26

why not start now and broadcast your abuse much more widely? pohick (talk) 23:35, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

My "abuse"? Really? Dude, you are just pissed that someone doesn't think your article is worthy of being on Wikipedia and you want to start trouble. Well, if you want to start trouble and want to act like the trolls on here, I can treat you like one. They are called warning templates and I have a crapload of them. Do it again and you will be warned for vandalism....simple as that. - NeutralHomer • Talk • March 9, 2009 @ 23:55

persistent projection. i'm not upset at all. i just profoundly disagree, with your misuse of speedy delete. if you would spend as much energy writing articles, as blovating on my talk page, wiki would be far better off. would you care to discuss your willful ignorance of the speedy delete criteria, versus the Afd criteria? or is that "your call"? pohick (talk) 02:26, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Care to look at my userpage, my contribs....talking to you is less than .001% of my contribs. I spend most of my time on articles rather than arguing with trouble making people like you. So, I am not quite sure about what you are talking about when it comes to "blovating" on your talk page. You seem to be doing that yourself. Now, actually create something instead of trouble. - NeutralHomer • Talk • March 10, 2009 @ 02:33

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Anna Spencer, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process because of the following concern:

no references, very little content, mostly just a link farm to other pages off wiki.

All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because, even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. NeutralHomer • Talk • March 10, 2009 @ 03:34 03:34, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary, as you forgot on your recent edit to Maurice Manning (poet). Thank you. --Ericdn (talk) 00:06, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I take your point that the fact that Sirkin is widely reviewed is an indication of his notability. However, I wonder if so many sizable excerpts of reviews belong in the body of the article. It seems to me that the actual audience for those excerpts is the AfD discussion, and that a much briefer treatment would be appropriate for the article itself, e.g. "Sirkin's books have been positively reviewed in The New York Times[2], Publishers Weekly[3] and The Hindu[4]." The main reason that I removed the section is that having so many excerpts of positive reviews plays into the perception that the article exists to promote rather than to describe the subject. In my experience -- and as Tedder's comment suggests -- that can harm an article's chances of surviving AfD, as it excites a temptation in some AfD reviewers to "punish" the subject that they perceive as having benefited from an abuse of WP:NPOV. -- Shunpiker (talk) 15:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

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A tag has been placed on Curtis Institute of Music people requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, "See also" section, book reference, category tag, template tag, interwiki link, rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. –Drilnoth (T • C) 14:59, 23 March 2009 (UTC) Hi. That website links to other copyright violations. In addition, is no valid proof that the copyright was not renewed, and there is other copyrighted works on that website (aside the specific parts we're talking about). - Rjd0060 (talk) 01:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I was just looking at your recent edits to the page and wondered why you removed the Veronica Mars mention. Never seen the show or added that tidbit, but just wondered if you accidentally removed it or if it was removed because it didn't exist. Quistisffviii (talk) 01:00, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

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Hey, I'm back around. What are you working on? Any momentum still over at Lafayette? Lazulilasher (talk) 20:23, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

and...I happily took care of this for you ;) Lazulilasher (talk) 20:43, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. We welcome and appreciate your contributions, including your edits to Hackers (film), but we cannot accept original research. Original research also encompasses novel, unpublished syntheses of previously published material. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your information. Unless you have a reliable source that points to this scene being inspired by the Monty Python sketch, this falls under original research and has no place in the article. magnius (talk) 08:33, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the two references that you used for the article Hackers are not usable. "Urban Dictionary" is far from reliable, being editable by anyone and crammed full of unchecked original research. The other reference that you used seemed to have nothing more than a quote from the film being used as the title of the article. Please take a look at the page regarding reliable sources to learn more about what can and cannot be used. For the record, I firmly believe that the addition would be valid, but so far we have no source that can back up the claim. magnius (talk) 08:25, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Just so you know, Charles A. May just passed as a good article. Thanks for helping to write this article. Strikehold (talk) 02:49, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

		The Special Barnstar
		I am honored to award this Barnstar, as your speedy assist at Patrick Cronin is well appreciated. Thanks for jumping aboard. If you're not WP:ARS, you sure should be. Best wishes, Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 06:21, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Machine translation, I take it? Just checking to see whether you had it in hand - the finishing of the translation off - or whether you could use a little hand with that, in which case I'll tag it. - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 17:42, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

redirected to existing article pohick (talk) 17:18, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

		The Music Barnstar
		For your incredible and tireless work on Hauke Harder. --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 23:24, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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		Watching your work at Sean Power (actor)... all I can say is great work. Your WP:CLEANUP in response to it being sent the AfD is appreciated. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 03:40, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

I will be honored to go through it and correct the ref formats later this evening in order to keep it from being sent back to AfD for having improper formats or incorrect spelling or grammer. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:40, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I fixed the references and gave it a couple minor tweaks, Glad to be able to chip in. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:37, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

more like major additions, finding the FT review may tip the balance pohick (talk) 22:36, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Frank X Walker requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

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astonishing [5] pohick (talk) 01:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Dear Pohick2, Thank you for taking an interest and contributing to wiki article Kresimir Chris Kunej. It is my first article and was tagged for notability and citations. I am concerned that someone will in time place it for deletion so any input is welcome. Thanks again! Turqoise127 (talk) 15:04, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern, but honestly, that review was really for the wrong Judith Tarr book -- compare it to all the other information about PoF.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:39, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I deleted the version I thought was a copyvio and moved your temp page up to be the article. Thanks for the cleanup!--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:48, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi. You corrected the spelling from Stoutenberg in the James Laughlin Award article, and then "uncorrected" it. I think you were right the first time! Do you know something more? Cheers, Easchiff (talk) 04:46, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

You noticed my confusion! i was filling the red link and noticed the article. the dana gioia california source spells it both ways [6] pohick (talk) 12:43, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I think Stoutenburg is correct. The reason that it was misspelled on the James Laughlin Award webpage is that the Poetry Foundation misspelled it on their webpage, and I'd just copied that listing blindly. I sent the Poetry Foundation a message to let them know. Cheers, Easchiff (talk) 13:36, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

thanks for the catch, nice article too. (the conundrum of the mispelling in the verifiable source) pohick (talk) 13:57, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

You're actually the one who caught the error! I enjoyed the article you started for Constance Carrier; every time I'd looked at that red link I wondered a bit about her. I read a couple of her poems using the New Yorker link you provided; she was a fine poet. Easchiff (talk) 15:36, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I saw that you've put up a List of winners for the Wallace Stevens Award. In case you missed some of the discussion, Collectonion merged the articles that formerly existed for the prizes of the Academy back into the main article, deleting the lists of winners when she did that. There was some discussion at the WP:Poetry talk page. Editors restored the Laughlin list; I do find these lists to be valuable. For example, you'll find the Lenore Marshall Poetry Prize winners in the history of the article, which is currently just a redirect; see old version. I just wanted to let you know of a possible complication.

I also noted that you've created articles for the "red linked" Laughlin Awardees, which I think is great! Easchiff (talk) 15:37, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

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A tag has been placed on Harry Elmore Hurd requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

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hmm [7] pohick - (talk) 01:00, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I have nominated List of winners of the Wallace Stevens Award, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of winners of the Wallace Stevens Award. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

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I have nominated List of winners of the Lenore Marshall Poetry Prize, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of winners of the Lenore Marshall Poetry Prize. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

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Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we must insist that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not on List of winners of the Lenore Marshall Poetry Prize. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

actually the personal was at Academy of American Poets: regretable that you should write the false statement: The organization is one of many "pay for a feel good award" type places like the "International Library of Photography", but the detailed reasons why i said WP:Vandalism are at [8] pohick - (talk) 20:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I have nominated List of winners of the Walt Whitman Award, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of winners of the Walt Whitman Award. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

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The WikiProject Novels Newsletter Issue 30 - June 2009

Archives  |  Tip Line  |  Editors The Novels WikiProject Newsletter Issue 30 - June 2009 Member news Coordinators election. An election has been long overdue, and therefore one will begin shortly. If you wish to stand, please put your name in by June 28, when voting will start. Members are encouraged to vote for the candidate they wish to support by July 21 at the Coordinator Elections. The Ed17 has decided not to stand for re-election. His work as Assistant Coordinator, along with Kevinalewis, since the last elections in October is highly appreciated by all members of the project. The Novels Project now has 128 active members. 17 positions remain unfilled at the Job Centre. Members who are active project contributors are encouraged to apply even if they can only fill a position for a short time. The His Dark Materials task force has been set up, and the role of coordinator has been undertaken by Pmlinediter. Project news On April 7, a fact about novelist Karin Bang appeared on the main page in the DYK section. On April 10, a fact about Pride and Prejudice and Zombies written by Seth Grahame-Smith appeared on the main page in the DYK section. On April 23, a fact about the protagonist Cousin Betty in Honoré de Balzac's La Cousine Bette appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column. On April 25, a fact from the article Blanca Olmedo written by Lucila Gamero appeared on the main page in the DYK section. On June 9, a fact from The Fox and the Hound by Daniel P. Mannix appeared on the main page in the DYK section. On June 15, a fact from The Road to Yuba City by Tracy Kidder appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column. - Contributors are Alan16, (who searched the archives). Task force and related news His Dark Materials task force has begun. This task force is dedicated to improving all articles in the scope of Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy. The main purpose of this taskforce is to expand, cite, and promote all articles in scope of the series. They welcome any advice or help that members of WikiProject Novels may be able to offer. If interested, drop a note on their talk page. – Position of editor for the task force has been undertaken by Pmlinediter. Peer review and assessment news Peer Reviews are still open for seven articles – The Last of the Masters, The Kindly Ones, Flowers for Algernon, World War Z, Sector General, Petals of Blood, and Scenes of Clerical Life. Feel free to submit any novel-related article that you are working on for review, and please consider stopping by and reviewing an article, as we need more reviewers for our articles! – the_ed17 (talk) and Alan16 (talk) Member in Focus Hi, I have been a member of this project for a few months now, and after finally gotten to grips with Wikipedia I have decided to take on the role of writing this newsletter (currently by myself, but any help would be appreciated) with some helpful tips from The Ed17. After undertaking this I realise why it was so difficult to keep it going. I will, however, persevere. From the members, I would encourage you to vote in the Coordinator elections, and take up roles at the Job Centre. The project has struggled recently, and I am hoping to try and revive it. If, with the publication of this newsletter, there are a couple of things that aren't quite up-to-date (like the Collaboration part), you can be certain I am working on it. I will be trying to get a newsletter out on around the 21st of every month. Finally, thanks for the help Ed. Regards, Alan16 (talk) 23:41, 20 June 2009 (UTC) Current debates A Kenneth Oppel task force has been proposed. You can comment here. Oppel is a Canadian author who specialises in Young adult fiction. Novel related news American writer Michael Hemp wins the 2009 Next Generation Indie Book Award in the Action/Adventure category for his novel, The Nadjik Pheromone. From the Outreach Department This is my first attempt at the newsletter, and I hope it at least gets close to the previous high standards set by Kevinalewis and The Ed17. I will once again encourage you to vote in the Coordinator elections, as I hope it could be the springboard to revitalise the project. I'll keep working on the newsletter, partially because I like the stress, and partially because we need it to get members and would-be members interested. Hopefully the start of great things. Regards, Alan. Collaboration of the Month Because there has been little activity on our Collaboration page for a long time, I have made an executive decision, and chosen The Tin Drum as our Collaboration of the month. All members are asked to assist where they can. The next collaboration is due for selection on 21 July, 2009 so nominate and vote. Newsletter challenge This month's article is Mindplayers by science fiction author Pat Cadigan. It is a previous, uncompleted challenge. Announcements and open tasks WikiProject Novels • (inc. novellas, novelettes & short stories) Announcements and open tasks (watch • edit • discuss • changes) → Please help with tagging articles! Critique (Featured article): 33 achieved Novels WikiProject Peer reviews: • Sector General • Petals of Blood • Flowers for Algernon Improve: Oberon Old and New • The Age of Reason • Furies of Calderon • Wolf Brother • The Monk • The English Patient • Bones of the Moon Create: To the Vanishing Point • Spoilt City Recently a new worklist had been created and quietly arrived, the Cleanup listing which gives a fairly comprehensive hit list of "novels" related articles that have been tagged for something or other. Since then a new Article alerts listing has also been added of more topic and "urgent" items worthy of our attention.

If you liked Constance Carrier, check out Rolfe Humphries, [9] cheers Pohick2 (talk) 19:51, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for all your work on those red-linked poets! The couple of Humphries' poems I looked at were fine; he obviously had a fascinating life too. Like Carrier, he's noted as a translator. For someone still active who also works as both a poet and a translator, see Charles Martin. FYI: I've got some more sources on the Academy, and will try to add that information to the article in due course. One is The Virgin of Bennington, which is apparently quite an interesting memoir, but I haven't got my hands on it yet. Best, Easchiff (talk) 02:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

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astonishing abuse of speedy delete again. Pohick2 (talk) 01:19, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

This wasn't a speedy, it was just a {{prod}} (proposed deleteion) which takes a minimum of five days to resolve, but also has less stringent requirements. I should know - I've issued my share of speedy-deletes before. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:50, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

i guess i'm recoiling from the statement no notability. Pohick2 (talk) 14:56, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I have blanked this article for now, as we need to clarify the copyright of the material it contains. The press releases that are quoted are not the issue. The text that begins "Alfredo De Palchi is a highly regarded poet living in New York" is the problem. Entire sentences are copied from [10]. Also, while you are quite welcome to quote Dickey and Roberts, you can't just minimally alter their presentation at that source: "The celebrated poet James Dickey found that (quote)" is clearly the source of "James Dickey found that (quote)"; "Len Roberts, another noted poet, compares De Palchi with the masters: quote)" has been blatantly truncated to "Len Roberts, compares de Palchi: (quote)" This website does not own the quotes that it has utilized, but it does own the creative structure and order of presentation. The text describing the author, including that "he has been translated into crisp and vibrant English by his longtime friend" is going to need to be completely rewritten in your own words unless you can show that this text is for some reason free for use. There are steps for doing so on the template currently blockign the article. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:47, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

check out Anonymous Constellation where i copied it from. Pohick2 (talk) 21:55, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll deal with it there as well. But that raises another issue. You can't copy content from one Wikipedia article to another without giving credit. Wikipedia's contributors do not release their material into public domain, but license it liberally for reuse and modification. They retain the right to credit, which is typically provided by mention in the edit summary. See, for example, at the bottom of every "edit" screen: "You agree to be credited, at minimum, through a hyperlink or URL when your contributions are reused in any form." If there are other articles into which you've copied text from other Wikipedia articles, please be sure to note the source of that to meet the licensing terms and conform with our copyright policy. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 23:38, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

point taken, this was a rare example, i've gone back, and used the source templates on the translations i've done. (not very user friendly) there is a bunch of copying in wiki, not well sourced. (i don't envy you the task of riding herd) Pohick2 (talk) 15:32, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

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I have previously contacted you with a question and you were always kind in your response, so I am addressing you again with a question. I had created the page Kresimir Chris Kunej, you contributed to it and had advised me on it. There were citation style problems and notability problems. I worked hard on the article thereafter and corrected many things. I am hoping I did enough to remove the notability and citation style tags. I contacted the editor who placed the tags on there to take a look and advise me if tags can be removed, but the person has not responded in over a month. My question is, do you think the article is now sufficient to remove those tags or not, and if tags were removed would someone be compelled to nominate for AfD? Thank you in advance for your time. Turqoise127 (talk) 17:32, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

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chouette; merde en francais?Pohick2 (talk) 03:16, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

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Dear Pohick2,

Thank you for removing the notability tag on Kresimir Chris Kunej. Immediately after you did that, the editor who had originally placed the tag on had it nominated for AfD. I saw that it is tagged for rescue, I assume you did that, thank you. I was hoping I could ask you to maybe vote on the issue since when you removed the notability tag you must have seen elements of notability satisfied. The instigator of AfD nomination is I believe an influential editor with many allies, and I am just an individual with none; this is not fair. I have entered a really lengthy argument for keep to try and defend the article. I would appreciate you voting, but if you wish to not be any more involved I understand, thank you for all your help this far!Turqoise127 (talk) 16:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi Pohick2

The problem with Kresimir Chris Kunej is not that it's inadequately referenced; it's that there are no claims that even if true would lead to a presumption of notability. I like to encourage newcomers, too, when they are likely to be contributors to the project. The primary author (I should say owner) of this article shows no interest in topics beyond promoting a single topic in respect of he or she is (admittedly, though not necessarily accurately admittedly) conflicted.

Just my $0.02.

As you had been aware of this article and the AfD prior to the canvassing, I can't see any reason for you not to opine at the AfD—I certainly won't suggest offering your opinion is inappropriate (whatever it might be) should you decide to offer one.

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no longer stunning. Pohick2 (talk) 02:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

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would you care to use the AfD process, there was an assertion of notability, winner of an award American Book Award. [11] - (perhaps i need to inclue the sentence in the lead: "this person is notable because they won an award.") Pohick2 (talk) 12:33, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I have restored it and will accept that deleting was my mistake, since I didn't notice that little sub-section. However, you should expand the article and try to establish notability in the lead. - Caribbean~H.Q. 20:47, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

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I'm just curious if there was a reason you used the "cite book" template on Sarah Josepha Hale - none of those books are being cited; it's just a list. Would you mind if I changed it so it's less clunky? --Midnightdreary (talk) 01:59, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response. It's quite easy (perhaps easier) to add external links without using cite templates. I'm not sure that providing those links is a standard on literary articles, however. I know I've seen requests to have them removed once an article undergoes a featured article candidacy. I'll leave it as is and see what happens. --Midnightdreary (talk) 02:17, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

By "external links", I don't mean the section, I just mean something like "Northwood. Again, don't be in too much of a rush to add these to author articles. I'm pretty sure they are frowned upon once an article is at the stage to be reviewed as recognized content. I haven't seen any featured articles on authors that use them (correct me if I'm wrong). I think the preference is for completism at Wikisource. --Midnightdreary (talk) 13:57, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

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I have just come across your article on the founder of the Belfast’s Lyric Players Theatre, Mary O'Malley, born 1918. In the article, under 'Works', you list a series of plays. These were written by a different Mary O'Malley, born at Harrow near London in the 1940's. I was considering starting a new page for 'Mary O'Malley (playwright)’ to include these works. However, as I am a friend of her brother, Tony O'Malley (musician), I might be considered by Wikipedia as being too close to the subject and therefore not a disinterested party. I am wondering if you would consider starting a new page for this ‘Mary O'Malley (playwright)’. Conversely, as it would be fairly easy for me to contact Mary herself to get bio info, I could build the article myself. I would appreciate your input into this.

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Not in the least - happy to be of help. :-) And you're welcome to the barnstar - you've done a lot of fine work on literary awards, and I only thought it right to recognize it. As for redirects, I know they can be a bit annoying - it's why I'm sometimes a bit wary of translating an article from another Wiki, as I'm never entirey sure what the title should look like in English... --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 17:55, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

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yeah, the BLP thing has been consuming everyone's time. I am finally finding some time to work on this myself. Okip (formerly Ikip) 12:27, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

just the A's Chris Agee, Michael Abrams, Adrian Alaniz - Pohick2 (talk) 12:56, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

if you don't like the UBLP backlog, then edit more adding references, or tag unsource less. it's simple. the problem with tech mismanagement of divide and conquer, and goals and slogans, is that it don't increase quality one iota. Edwards Deming had it right long ago. Pohick2 (talk) 17:42, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your efforts to add some sources to the Givi Alkhazishvili article. Unfortunately, the first source claims to have obtained its info from the Givi Alkhazishvili article - I doubt we can use this kind of self reference. The second source only briefly mentions Givi Alkhazishvili's work as one of the subjects of a presentation and therefore does not support the sentence about his lecturing work.

TBH, while I believe his body of work means he is notable, I have really struggled to find infomation about him online. He has an official website with a brief biography (rather poorly translated into English) and he appears to have some fans on social networking sites, but I suspect most sources will be in Georgian and I lack the language skills to do a proper search. We might be able to get some info from the article in Georgian if only we had a means to translate it. I also hope that by adding interwiki links to the English and Georgian articles, it might encourage an editor from the Georgian Wikipedia to come by with some sensible sources. Astronaut (talk) 01:38, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

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Aerica what a cool article, thanks for sharing by using that flag! Okip 12:29, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

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Hi, do you mind if I undo this edit [14]? The reviewer makes a false assertion that is upsetting to Owens. Kevin (talk) 21:51, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your intervention with Chris Agee. Although there's a fairly sour review of Scar on the Stone from Publishers Weekly reproduced at Habitus (below 1) belowhttp://astore.amazon.com/habadiajou-20/detail/1852244151, Stephen Schwartz, who certainly knows the subject, judges the importance of the anthology by the way it reflects the issues embedded in the conflict (featuring such eminent literary characters as the Shakespeare scholar Nikola Koljevic and the psychiatrist-poet Radovan Karadzic) in the contrast he draws between Abdulah Sidran and Izet Sarajlic http://webdelsol.com/CPR/Schwartz/falconers2.htm (below 2). The Sidran poem he cites goes some way to undermining the Publishers' Weekly cursory dismissal of the poems as "dubby". Schwartz judges the anthology as follows " Global attention to the Bosnian war has brought a number of other useful volumes into print in English. Perhaps the most important among such titles is The Scar On the Stone, edited by Chris Agee, which includes an excellent and representative selection of recent Bosnian poetry, much of it directly influenced by the 1992-95 war. I would recommend the book, which includes excerpts and commentaries by Mak and by Francis R. Jones, without qualification, and will only indicate two writers I believe deserve special attention, in that they represent two sides of Sarajevo literary life."

I've just had this submission rejected because supposedly it includes a link to a site on a Wikipedia blacklist, so I'll break it up for you to work out for yourself. You appear to have enough of the intelligence and discretion that a lot of Wikipedia seems inimical to to be able to work it out for yourself.

1. http: // astore .amazon .com/ habadiajou-20/ detail/ 1852244151

2. http: // webdelsol .com/ CPR/ Schwartz/ falconers2.htm

(I forgot to delete the original links but even so the loss of a leading space seems to have protected the guilty party, which appears to be the Habitus link) Opbeith (talk) 09:59, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Another thoughtful appraisal is by Angus Calder in his "Poetry and War" review at Eurozine - "One of Hughes's last tasks before he died in 1998 was to translate six poems by Abdulah Sidran for Chris Agee's anthology Scar on the Stone; Contemporary Poetry from Bosnia. This impressive and very readable book gets several things right where they might have gone badly wrong. ..." http://www.eurozine.com/articles/2000-03-09-calder-en.html Opbeith (talk) 10:36, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello Pohick2. I've recreated the article. Follow the link above (section title). Thanks for your assistance and support. --Vejvančický (talk) 11:58, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

The substantive issue underlying Kevin's deletion threats is being discussed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Biographies_of_living_persons#Proposal:_Restore_.22contentious.22_to_GRAPEVINE_to_clarify_and_maintain_current_status_quo Opbeith (talk) 10:57, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

actually i though Kevin was more equanimitable than most deleting admins. Pohick2 (talk) 13:48, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

It's mad - I think they see Wikipedia as Calvin's Geneva reborn! Opbeith (talk) 14:48, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I have this image of them burning us along with all our humanly imperfect articles until this small core of perfectly crafted, perfectly referenced articles about notable porn stars and Pokemon characters subsists, at which point they'll have disposed of anyone with energy to risk starting any new articles and judgment day can commence - perhaps it's safer if I steer clear of theological subject matter! Opbeith (talk) 20:41, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the signpost - I went along to Slowking and I was struck by it as something really quite beautiful. Then I scrolled up the article and at the top I found "This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding reliable references. Unsourced material may be ...." We are all at peril. I'm glad Chris Agee was saved but it's very frustrating glimpsing all these other intriguing articles that I'm never going to have the chance to bump into by accident again. I suppose I ought to resign myself to it as part pf the constant cycle of creation and destruction, just slightly speeded up. Opbeith (talk) 11:20, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

most parents can cite you Pokemon, i got good at the card game using psyduck and slowpoke against charizard. (as an inclusionist, it's all good) the problem with the adversial cycle, is that it requires constant monitoring, or the stealth speedy, and stealth vandalism continue. clearly this inline reference quality measure was not handled well. Pohick2 (talk) 22:55, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Kevin's busy defending his World will be destroyed at midday unless you save it beforehand approach at his talk page. He doesn't think other people know what's best for Wikipedia, so he's saving us from ourselves. Copyright is difficult. If you keep to the information available at source you get hit for breach of copyright. If you don't you get hit for original research. Opbeith (talk) 11:20, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Your article William H. Durham came up for review at WP:CP today, and I see that when you created it, here, it included the following text:

His main interests are ecology and evolution, the interactions of genetic and cultural change in human populations, and the challenges to conservation and community development in the Third World. In fieldwork, he has studied the demography, genetics, and resource management of the San Blas Kuna of Panama, the causes of land scarcity and environmental degradation in rural El Salvador and Honduras, and the social forces behind deforestation in Mexico, Central, and South America

The source says:

His main interests are ecology and evolution, the interactions of genetic and cultural change in human populations, and the challenges to conservation and community development in the Third World. In fieldwork, he has studied the demography, genetics, and resource management of the San Blas Kuna of Panama, the causes of land scarcity and environmental degradation in rural El Salvador and Honduras, and the social forces behind deforestation in Mexico, Central, and South America.

I look back to see that on October 27 2009, you created the article Maureen Owen with content very closely taken from from [15]:

She grew up training horses and traveling the Racing Fair Circuit with her family who spent their winters in California. She attended Seattle University and San Francisco State University before moving to Japan in 1965 and then to New York and Connecticut.

The source said:

Maureen Owen grew up training horses and traveling the Racing Fair Circuit with her family who spent their winters in California. She attended Seattle University and San Francisco State University before moving to Japan in 1965 and then to New York and Connecticut.

Going further back, I see 15 July 2009, close paraphrasing and direct taking from [16]. For example, the article said:

She was educated in York and Cambridge and worked as an actress in London. She spent the 1960s in Geneva but came back to England in 1970 to Peterborough, where she brought up four children, gardened and kept goats.

The source says:

Dorothy Nimmo was born in Manchester, educated in York and Cambridge and worked as an actress in London. She spent the 1960s in Geneva but came back to England in 1970 to Peterborough where she brought up four children, gardened and kept goats.

15 September 2009, close paraphrasing and direct taking from [17]. The article said:

He worked as a news reporter for the United States Army from 1954-1955 and covered atomic bomb tests in Nevada. In 1967, Zimmer began his publishing career with the University of Pittsburgh Press, and his first book, The Ribs of Death, was published. For this accomplishment he received Bachelor of Arts and Sciences degree from Kent State University in 1968.

The source says:

he worked as a news reporter for the United States Army from 1954-1955 and covered atomic bomb tests in Nevada. In 1967, Zimmer began his publishing career with the University of Pittsburgh Press, and his first book, The Ribs of Death, was published. For this accomplishment he received Bachelor of Arts and Sciences degree from Kent State University in 1968.

On 21 October 2009, from [18]. The article said:

Born to a recently-off-the-farm and middle-class family, Nielsen soon exhibited a proclivity for the coastal extremes. Following a family move to the nation' s capital, Nielsen spent the better part of three decades in the District of Columbia…

The source says:

Born…to a recently-off-the-farm and now middle-class family, Nielsen soon exhibited a proclivity for the coastal extremes. Following a family move to the nation ' s capital, Nielsen spent the better part of three decades in the District of …

I know that the last time we spoke about Corensearchbot’s tags, you were translating from the French and the suspected source was a Wikipedia mirror, but this does not seem to be the case in these articles. I see other Corensearchbot notices as well, some of which seem to reflect valid concerns (such as the extensive quotation removed by User:CactusWriter) and some of which do not (such as lists of publications which are not copyrightable unless they reflect human selection criteria).

Wikipedia’s copyright policy does not permit importing previously published text unless the content can be verified to be public domain or compatibly licensed. The only exception is that you may use brief excerpts of text provided that you do so in accordance with non-free content policy and guideline, which require that quotations be plainly marked and used for defensible reasons.

While facts are not copyrightable, creative elements of presentation - including both structure and language - are. The essay Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing contains some suggestions for rewriting that may help avoid these issues in the future. The article Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2009-04-13/Dispatches, while about plagiarism rather than copyright concerns, also contains some suggestions for reusing material from sources that may be helpful, beginning under "Avoiding plagiarism".

You need to be careful with this in the future, as this is beginning to look like a pattern of copyright problems. The Wikimedia Foundation takes its copyright policy very seriously. Persistent copyright violators must be blocked to prevent continued issues, and the last thing we need is to lose a prolific and dedicated contributor over a misunderstanding or misapplication of copyright policy.

Please let me know if you have questions about this. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 21:00, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

excellent work, i note that you look at first draft, not the revised edit of the article. after the BLP work i will edit those. as soon as i saw that the bot came up, i edited the article to change the objected material. since you have no hard and fast rules about word count you have given me a trial and error process, about what is or isn't a copyright vio. i see 22 copyright bot notices out of 1,100 created articles, a rate of 2%. on my travels through articles, i see much copying and pasting from outside sources and others wikis, which i add a ref to. i will try to comply, but not sharing your values, i doubt it will be satisfactory to you. i do kinda object to blocking, it is a prior restraint, rather than a fix of the problem. many blocked websites have useful material, that is not a copyright vio. the new generation may not share these values: [19], [20]... Pohick2 (talk) 23:30, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

i appreciate your consideration of my contributions, but you have lost better editors than me, i'm sure you will adhere to your process more than any individual. Pohick2 (talk) 23:45, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

I am not asking you to adhere to my values, but to Wikipedia's copyright policy and the Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use. These are not optional for any of us; they are the conditions of contributing to the project. I did not set them.

The hard and fast rule is that if it isn't in quotation marks and you've copied it from a non-free source, it's a violation of copyright policy. (There are no hard and fast rules about how extensive quotations may be, but in not one of the examples listed above did you quote the material you copied; you just copied it. If you aren't sure how much is "brief" and how much "extensive", which is forbidden, I am happy to offer a second opinion, and I'm sure you could get these from others as well.)

I am aware that none of the current versions of these articles constitute copyright problems; if they did, they would be blanked and at the copyright problems board now awaiting fixing. That's not the point. The point is that you are repeatedly violating the copyright policy and fixing it only when the bot catches you. You must stop doing this. Just don't copy and paste content onto Wikipedia, but write it in your own words.

Blocks may be necessary to fix the problem if the problem is that a user persists in creating problems in spite of efforts to persuade him to stop. I do not want to block you or to see you blocked. I would much rather see you contributing and not showing up at WP:SCV. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 23:58, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Joyce: “I am quite content to go down to posterity as a scissors and paste man”. [21] Pohick2 (talk) 01:53, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

If you want to go down to posterity as a scissors and paste man, you'll have to do it somewhere that accepts scissors and pasting. On Wikipedia, you cannot "copy and paste from copyrighted websites – only public domain resources can be copied without permission." It says as much on the bottom of every edit screen. You, like everyone else, must abide by the copyright policy here if you wish to participate here. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 02:59, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

you seem to want a confrontation, have i not been attempting to comply? is not a 2% rate small enough? what is the percentage of edits flagged you would consider unblockable? you seem to want to ignore scholarly sentiment that contradicts your policy. as i have written elsewhere: "i'm way past the point of caring about the the reputational harm to the total project. the harm does not affect me. if i can carve out a subset of well written articles that rise to the top of a google search, that act as a nexus for study of the references, then i will have done my job. if the wiki is less than it could be, then that is the fault of the failed leaders, and community that has failed to act in responsible ways. but they can't destroy the project in a Götterdämmerung: There'll Always Be an England." Pohick2 (talk) 03:09, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I really don't know if you've been attempting to comply, since at least in this conversation you seem to be hoisting some kind of flag of defiance against copyright oppression. Cleaning up articles that have been identified is great, but it's only a start: you have to stop producing the problems in the first place. 2% is not, I'm afraid, small enough. It opens the question of what percentage Corensearchbot doesn't detect and whether or not there are copyright violations on the project right now that have gone undetected and remain.

I'm not interested in confrontation. This is not my policy; this is the Wikimedia Foundation's policy. This is the Wikimedia Foundation's website. My opinion on scholarly sentiment regarding copyright is as immaterial as your own. So, yes, I am ignoring scholarly sentiment contradictory to the policy, because it's completely immaterial. If you continue creating copyright problems, you won't be carving out anymore articles, and, while you seem to think I'm here to fight you, I continue to maintain that this would be a shame.

Some kind of confirmation that you intend to comply would be nice, though it's not really essential. After you seemed to express some doubt about your ability to comply, I offered you a basic guideline and offered to provide assistance if you need help determining how much quoting is excessive. Lines from Joyce that sound like you intend to go out in a defiant charge, though, are a bit alarming. :) I'm here to try to address a problem and assuming good faith to the point that I am imagining you'd like to comply. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 03:24, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

actually i'm not anti-copyright, rather anti-black and white copyright policy. copyright and fair use are far more nuanced that you are prepared to admit. what copyright problem? initial drafts that were edited away within hours? if you would care to address the question: if not 2%, what is the number? are you insisting on zero faults, mistakes? of course the whole idea of management by numbers is questionable: i.e. Edwards Deming

what we have here is failure to communicate: the continued shame is the mismanagement of the project by the foundation. increasing the quality of the project requires a new attitude, positive feedback is far superior to negative feedback. eliminate management by numbers, slogans, fear. how many editors have been driven away by the wikilawyers, and the "lord of the flies" atmosphere. have you not adopted a conform or be blocked attitude? your time here constitutes mismanagement, the quality of the project is the number one issue, not copyright. and yes there are thousand of copyright vio's in the project now, so what? are you going to start flagging suspected copyright vio's and then Prodding them, just like BLP's. why not institute a contest project to review them?

i gave you what confirmation that i will above, and remarked that whatever confirmation i gave would be insufficient; i see i was correct. i see you want yes or no answers that i decline to give. i kinda like the company of joyce; the article in the Sunday nytimes about the award winning "plagiarizing" author is on point, n'est pas? in your address of the problem, are you not exacerbating the problem? i find your rules and guidelines confusing, referring me to them is not enlightening. Pohick2 (talk) 03:59, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, 0% is the goal. Sometimes people closely paraphrase because they don't know how to properly rewrite content, but copying & pasting doesn't happen by accident; you should be fairly successful in never copying & pasting content on Wikipedia. If you need help understanding the policies and guidelines, I'm perfectly willing to assist you. Copyright problems are already flagged and deleted and have been flagged and deleted for years, both through speedy deletion and through the copyright problems board. I do indeed take a "conform of be blocked attitude." Everyone has the opportunity to contribute to Wikipedia, but those who choose not to abide by its Terms of Use are not welcome to continue. This is the reality of the project, and if you're interested in improving it, I hope you will choose to comply. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 04:11, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

just to clarify, you went to some time and trouble reviewing history and found no active copyright vio's, but are taking the position that no copyright vio's at any time are acceptable.

my position is: zero defects, zero tolerance, zero copyright vio's are an impossible standard, that has never and will never be. my advise is don't even try, the problem of active copyright vio's is hard enough, and i see little progress in tackling that one. certainly, nothing you have shown me, gives me any confidence that you have a process to address the problem. Pohick2 (talk) 13:34, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Just to clarify: you came up at the suspected copyright violations board again. Having seen you there multiple times before, I checked your history and verified multiple copyright violations within the last few months. That you have rewritten these when they've been pointed out to you doesn't mean that the policy violation did not occur. I debated whether to give you the standard block advisory that if you continue pasting content you will be blocked, but since I presumed you to be a good faith and otherwise valuable contributor thought that instead I would try to engage you in a cordial conversation about it. Evidently, this was the wrong approach in this case. So, here's the official line: "You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of article content such as sentences or images. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing." Please stop. If you continue, I will have no choice but to block you. That said, if you have questions about how to reuse content, you are welcome to come by my talk page. Otherwise, I don't see much value in continuing this conversation unless you again copy content onto Wikipedia. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:14, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

you are an above average admin, and this was a cordial conversation, we just agree to disagree. but now you've stripped away the venire of civility. your WP:SCV, and hectoring are profoundly misguided. i see no process to find and edit existing copyright vio's, only the mechanical machine alarm of current edits. pure laziness. far better to make non-vio editing and rewriting vio's more fun. you cannot order volunteers; rather you must coach them or lead them. it requires more patience than you have exhibited. the problem with the technical profession and law profession is that their training hones their precision skills, and egos, but not their Emotional intelligence. my response to stern warnings and Argument from authority will always be: nullius in verba. Pohick2 (talk) 16:16, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Certainly I intended nothing incivil anywhere in this conversation. Simply, it seems that my approach above has done more to irritate you than to help resolve the problem. I have not perceived myself as impatient in this conversation, at least, though I have been puzzled. I have repeatedly offered to help you with reuse. My intention here from the beginning has been to prevent your being blocked; evidently, I am failing to communicate that somehow.

WP:SCV is not mine, anymore than the copyright policy is. Both of these long predate my presence on Wikipedia. If you're interested in the process of finding and editing existing copyright vios, though, I can tell you quite a bit about it, having worked copyright cleanup for almost two years on Wikipedia. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:25, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

you're being coy: "Evidently, this was the wrong approach in this case. So, here's the official line..."; WP:SCV is your tool -- it's not mine either, maybe we should not use it, keep it for historical interest like WP:ESPERANZA. how's the copyright vio policing going? is it much fun? as an inside the beltway person, i'm afraid i have no special reverence for law, and by extention rules to cya copyright. i take it you would view the Italian google ruling as a vindication of your caution. i reckon you will get sued regardless. what is the case history of suits against wiki? i note that the bot has a hard limit of around 180 words for blockquotes. however, when hand copying from a printed source, it's unlimited. i only did that two times when quoting letters of the subject, printed in secondary sources. is that fair use? author plus 70 years? i've seen a few press releases in articles unattributed, have you?. Pohick2 (talk) 23:28, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I have seen a few press releases in articles unattributed, and I have removed them. But evidently I should have stuck with "I don't see much value in continuing this conversation unless you again copy content onto Wikipedia." I'm really far too busy to argue Wikipedia's copyright policies with you, and I suspect you have better things to do as well. I hope not to see you at SCV again. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 23:50, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright

Under certain conditions, you may copy a copyrighted work without a license from the original author. One of these limitations on the rights granted to the copyright holder is called "fair use." A more restricted version called fair dealing generally applies outside the United States.

Generally, fair use exceptions are ill-defined, and vary widely from country to country. What is fair use in one country may not be in another country.

Under US copyright law, the primary things to consider when asking if something is fair use (set forth in Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 107) are:[5]

1. . The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
2. . The nature of the copyrighted work;
3. . The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
4. . The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

Asking yourself these questions might help you determine if something is fair use:

1. . Is it a for profit competitor or not? Is it for criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research? Is the use transformative (of a different nature to the original publication)?
2. . Is it a highly original creative work with lots of novel ideas or a relatively unoriginal work or listing of facts? Is the work published (to a non-restricted audience)? If not, fair use is much less likely.
3. . How much of the original work are you copying? Are you copying more or less than the minimum required for your purpose? The more you exceed this minimum, the less likely the use is to be fair. Are you reducing the quality or originality, perhaps by using a reduced size version?
4. . Does this use hurt or help the original author's ability to sell it? Did they intend to or were they trying to make the work widely republished (as with a press release)? Are you making it easy to find and buy the work if a viewer is interested in doing so?

None of these factors alone is sufficient to make a use fair or not fair - all of them must be considered and weighed. It's routine for courts to express degrees of acceptability or unacceptability for each factor and try to come to a summary and conclusion based on the balance.

Quotations are very well known and widely used form of fair use and fair dealing and are explicitly allowed under the Berne convention.

If you produce a derivative work based on fair use, your work is a fair use work. Even if you release your changes into the public domain, the original work and fair use of it remains and the net effect is fair use. To eliminate this you must make the use of the original so insubstantial that the portion used is insufficient to be covered by copyright.

Pohick2 (talk) 20:01, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright#Wikipedia_and_fair_use:

:Because the database servers are located in the United States, Wikipedia is subject to US copyright law in this matter and may not host material which infringes US copyright law. Wikipedia:Non-free content is an evolving page offering more specific guidance about what is likely to be fair use in the Wikipedia articles and what Wikipedia policy will accept, with examples.

Wikipedia:Copyrights

All creative works are copyrighted, by international agreement, unless either they fall into the public domain or their copyright is explicitly disclaimed. Generally, Wikipedia must have permission to use copyrighted works. There are some circumstances under which copyrighted works may be legally utilized without permission; see Wikipedia:Non-free content for specific details on when and how to utilize such material.

Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria

There is no automatic entitlement to use non-free content in an article or elsewhere on Wikipedia. Articles and other Wikipedia pages may, in accordance with the guideline, use brief verbatim textual excerpts from copyrighted media, properly attributed or cited to its original source or author.

Wikipedia:Non-free content

Brief quotations of copyrighted text may be used to illustrate a point, establish context, or attribute a point of view or idea. Copyrighted text that is used verbatim must be attributed with quotation marks or other standard notation, such as block quotes. Any alterations must be clearly marked, i.e. [brackets] for added text, an ellipsis (...) for removed text, and emphasis noted after the quotation as "(emphasis added)" or "(emphasis in the original)". Extensive quotation of copyrighted text is prohibited.

And, while we're at it, Wikipedia:Plagiarism

If the external work is under standard copyright, then duplicating its text with little, or no, alteration into a Wikipedia article is usually a copyright violation, unless duplication is limited and clearly indicated in the article by quotation marks, or some other acceptable method (such as block quotations).

My note, previous section:

Wikipedia’s copyright policy does not permit importing previously published text unless the content can be verified to be public domain or compatibly licensed. The only exception is that you may use brief excerpts of text provided that you do so in accordance with non-free content policy and guideline, which require that quotations be plainly marked and used for defensible reasons.

When you properly quote brief excerpts, you comply with policy, and there's no problem...as I've said all along. Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 20:16, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

i can see that you won't let me have last word on my own talk page.

the point being that the "fair use" rubric would say round up on use of biographical facts from a free website, with a reference to that website, driving traffic there, enhancing the value of that website, by a free, not for profit reference work. but i see you're not going to compromise. what do you think of my work here Talk:Beatrix Christian/Temp, would you say that one sentence is a copyright vio? even when in multiple websites? just how would you rewrite the sentence to convey the information with fewer words. is not the banner, without article improvement making the wiki worse? notice a new user whose first talk is copyright vio banner, not hello. Pohick2 (talk) 21:00, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I didn't know you wanted the last word, sorry. I presume you're okay with me answering here, because you're asking questions. As long as our conversation remains cordial, I'm happy to talk about it. Wikipedia is not-for-profit, but Wikipedia has chosen (and no, I am not using the word "Wikipedia" to mean myself; most of the quotes above predate me. The policies certainly do) not to shelter under this in deference to downstream users. This is why we cannot accept material that is licensed for "non-commercial use" only. Images and text imported under such licenses have long been deleted. Without looking at your temp page, I would say that even one sentence copied from another source is a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy, unless it is used in quotation marks in accordance with WP:NFC. If you let me know to which sentence you're referring, I'll be happy to talk to you about the creative language and how it might be reworked to remain within policy. This is not always fun or easy, but I wind up doing a lot of it anyway. If what you mean to ask next is whether I think vigilance against copyright concerns harms the project, then, no. Most of the people I know who do copyright work also create content, but even if they did not they would have a place in the Wikipedia system just as vandalism fighters do, in maintaining and protecting the project. (Yes, the project needs protecting. Just this week the WMF received a letter that sent us scrambling to address copyright concerns in 40 related articles.) By the same token, with respect to your next question, many a new user has been hit with warnings for non-neutral content or material that violates BLP; it doesn't mean that the policies themselves are problematic or the people who enforce them are. As for me, the last copyright warning I left was this one. I'm sure I've left some terser notes than that, though; unfortunately, we aren't all always at our best. :/ When I leave templates on previously blank pages, I try also to leave a "welcome" template as well when it seems that the copyrighted content may been introduced through error or misunderstanding. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 21:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

i would love to see the letters, post them and shame them: open source law. copyright is a jobs program for lawyers. your non-profit status is a shield against suits, that you choose not to use. the only reason that Down Under (song) got sued, is that there is a residual pot of money. no pot: empty threats. and they could recut the record without the riff, and sell a bunch a records from the public goodwill.

when it takes me 5 minutes to rewrite the article, is it unreasonable to prefer article improvement to banners, tags, and warnings? could the reason for wiki decline be because the admins are pissing on the editors, and calling it rain (er policy)? are editors a dime a dozen? there's always a new crop out there? (i heard that spoken at a wiki meetup)

statements of facts are free use, how many words in a row are free use of facts? are lists of information free use? are biographical facts free use? is a boiilerplate sentence that happens to correspond in 4 websites constitute fair use? i.e. "She graduated from the National Institute of Dramatic Art playwright’s studio in 1991." Pohick2 (talk) 21:30, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm not allowed to publish those here; confidentiality agreement. And it's not my choice whether we shield behind non-profit status or not. Those policies were well entrenched long before I arrived. How many words in a row are free use depends entirely on the degree of creativity in the words, which is a very difficult concept to convey. Some people try to set an arbitrary number on the words, but it can't be done. Three strikingly original words may require quotation marks, while an entire idiom would not. Lists of information are free use if they are non-creative; that is, the list of names in a telephone directory is not copyrightable; Rolling Stone's list of the 500 best songs of all time is. The freedom of biographical facts depends on the creativity of their selection. For instance, a list of alphabetical or chronological works cited is non-creative. A sample of the writer's "best" is. It is easier to infringe on highly creative content than barely creative content, but the US courts have deliberately set the threshold for creativity very low. A boilerplate sentence used in 4 websites may be fair use, but care must be taken in that case that the content does not too closely replicate other content. The less tangible aspect of copyright law is that in addition to language it covers the structure of a work, including which facts are covered. Again, the more creativity there is, the more of a problem there is, but even with minimal creativity a court is likely to find substantial similarity if to a lay observer a pattern of copying seems evident. With the sentence you quote, I'd say it depends entirely on surrounding content, but would generally restructure that. You could append it to another sentence as a lead-in: "A 1991 graduate of the National Institute of Dramatic Art playwright’s studio,...." or "After graduating from the National Institute of Dramatic Art playwright’s studio in 1991, she...." The other stuff is rather more philosophical than I care to go. It begins with figuring out whether wiki is on the decline and by the time we've established that and set out our premises, we could have both accomplished many other things. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 00:02, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

kinda like Forbes list of billionaires (2009), and Forbes Global 2000?, you just got done parsing my sentences, and now you say minor changes are better? i see the blander the better, wring out all the "creative" element. (however, the best parts of the 1911 EB are the creative bits) you seem to be using a subjective standard, that doesn't make much sense to me. it's a retroactive litigation standard, worrying about what might have been or will be, rather than proscriptive method, that is reproducible. i understand that wiki might not wish to examine the philosophical problems in their management. better to not look behind the screen. principles of management of software projects are pretty cut and dried; why is not the foundation communicating them in a clear fashion? the statistics on slower growth (decline) seem pretty clear to me. what would it take to get management's attention? i only care in that it distracts me from writing articles. for example the BLP nonsense. how many tags or warnings do you want me to heed? i conclude the best policy is to ignore all the "help" from above and continue on, the communication is most unhelpful. Pohick2 (talk) 01:57, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you do have to wring out all of the "creative" element of copyrighted content. It belongs to them, and no matter how much you like it, you can't use it except in brief, clearly marked excerpts in accordance with our policy. (Not an issue with the 1911 EB, however, since it has considerately lapsed into public domain.) The US law on copyright which governs the US-based Wikimedia Foundation is subjective; that's the legal reality. When it comes to duplicating previously published content, though, the Wikipedia policies are much more straightforward: duplicating copyrighted content without quotation marks is forbidden. To contact management, see Wikimedia:Contact us. And now, to give you an opportunity to have the last word, I'll take your talk page off of my watchlist. If you have future questions, please feel free to come by my talk page. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:11, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

you are excluding "fair use" which allows "creative" content used under the 4 criteria above. Pohick2 (talk) 15:06, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Pohick2/Archive/!. Every attempt to rescue a Wikipedia article is a noble gesture. However, there may be occasions when, with the best will in the world, it is just not possible to accord even a minimum of notability to an article or stub, or find a proper source for it. Most regrettably, even the most dedicated inclusionists will have to concede that the article may have to go if the creator or major contributors cannot justify their work.
For new and recent unsourced BLPs, some users are now working at WT:BLP PROD TPL on the development of templates that are designed to encourage contributors to source new BLPs, without scaring away the newbies who might not be aware of the rules. This template is certainly not another a licence to kill for the deletionists, in fact the very idea of it is to ensure that you are not fighting a losing battle. It would be great if you could look in at the prgogress and maybe leave a word of encouragement. The workshop page is essentially a template development taskforce, and is not a place to engage in a hefty debate on incusion/deletion policy. See you at WT:BLP PROD TPL?--Kudpung (talk) 13:03, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Or we might sink in the Bermuda Triangle. :) Maurreen (talk) 04:48, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Did you find those by happenstance, or do you have a system? Maurreen (talk) 05:00, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

He seems to have wiped everything twice in succession. I went to look for my exchange of moans with him in order to find the list of articles under threat and found he'd wiped it, so only the current discussion was left. I came back a bit later to leave a message about putting the list back and found he'd wiped the discussion as well. It's reassuring to find he's not quite the supreme arbitrator of life and death he made out. Opbeith (talk) 07:00, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Pohick2 Thanks, for the info. Maurreen (talk) 13:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Pohick2, I agree, but although there's a lot fo energy there it doubt it would respond well to channelling. Opbeith (talk) 13:50, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely, but life would be too simple! Opbeith (talk) 15:09, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

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prodding hijacked article Pohick2 (talk) 17:13, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Your idea has potential.

I had a somewhat similar idea, but I'm backed up this week, etc.

Doc could be a candidate on the deleter side.

I had thought about proposing to him that any deletion drive might start with stubs -- as one idea -- I wish people with this kind of concern would or could actually focus on contentious material. But one big point is that *any* deletion should be done with deliberation, which can't be done in a hurry. Maurreen (talk) 02:55, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Just poking my nose in. Well said, Maurreen. Opbeith (talk) 09:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your contribution. I would like to create a 'Map showing countries that issue their passports in French'. I'm new to Wiki and don't know how to do this. Can you help me? Thanks Seanoconaill (talk) 15:01, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Pohick2/Archive/ ! The template workshop is losing interest fast now that there is very little left to argue for or against.Someone said on the Arbcom that leaders would emerge, but the whole issue seems to already have too many chiefs and not enough Indians. I have now split off most of the long threads purely on policy to a new discussion page so that any policy on its implementation can be established while technical development of the template can continue in its own space. When the template functions are finalised, the policy bits can be merged into them. If you intend to continue to contribute your ideas to the development of the template or its policy of use, and I hope you will, please consider either adding your name to the list of workshop members, or joining in with the policy discussions on the new page. --Kudpung (talk) 07:51, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

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Hi All the categories I removed were redundant. I removed (e.g.) Category:American pacifists and Category:Christian pacifists because he is already in Category:American Christian pacifists. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

		The BioCup
		The first ever BioCup is awarded to Pohick2 for adding references to BLPs. Congratulations on your well earned victory! J04n(talk page) 23:41, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Pohick2/Archive/'! You participated earlier in the sticky prod workshop. The sticky prods are now in use, but there are still a few points of contention.
There are now a few proposals on the table to conclude the process. I encourage your input, whatever it might be. Thanks. --Maurreen (talk) 06:35, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your support! Maurreen (talk) 04:09, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

btw, I see you've been systematically adding refs -- as have I . But it's a good idea to indicate something at the edit summary that you've removed the tag. I've looked back and see I frequently forget this also, so I'm here to remind the two of us. DGG ( talk ) 21:33, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

i confess i don't look at edit summary, since the history tells the tale, but i will try to mention pulling down the blp tag, my big numbers are over having proved the point. Pohick2 (talk) 21:17, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello,

The source you site stating that Roark Bradford was presented with a Pulitzer Prize jointly with Marc Connelly must be in error. The official Pulitzer Prize website makes no mention of Bradford having won the award. And I did an extensive web search, and could find no other source that lists Bradford as a Pulitzer winner. -- Michael David (talk) 15:07, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Glad to help, that's the real benefit of honest collaboration. What you proposed sounds good to me. I wanted to give you the chance to change it yourself. -- Michael David (talk) 18:31, 11 April 2010 (UTC)