Talk:Young M.A

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Why do you keep changing Katorah Kasanova Marrero to young ma Chinathedog (talk) 01:19, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am literally asking the same question, apparently @Innisfree987: keeps saying "BLP vio" when it is in almost every source like here, here, and here and even on her old youtube channel here. JustDoItFettyg (talk) 01:44, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

JustDoItFettyg and Chinathedog, please check the edit history--this has been removed as inadequately sourced by several editors, to the extent an admin had to protect the page to prevent the violation. We need to remove it from this page too as the same BLP policies apply to talk pages as well. There's more elaboration at the BLP noticeboard discussion, per the notice at the top of this page. And of course you're welcome to join in there or start a new discussion (might be a better way to get more comment since that's deep in the archives now), but until there's consensus, contested material should not be added back in. 02:12, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Innisfree987, are there any reasons to specify your actions, which being reverting edits to such an extent, and not providing any reason? This could be specified as an edit war and could lead to an administrator in this involvement if this consists. Thank you. MunRis (talk) 01:20, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi MunRis. Please consult the edit history and the above discussions on the talk page (as I requested in the edit history)--I've regularly cited the relevant BLP policy as the reason for removal and provided a link to that policy, and also most recently asked you consult the talk page, where the issue was further elaborated in the section just above your post and at the BLP noticeboard (template at top of page). You'll also see in the edit history that an administrator has already had to intervene, specifically to protect the page from repeated addition of this inadequately sourced material. May I ask that you kindly remove it yourself this time? Technically removing BLP violations is exempt from edit war policy, but of course I'd much rather not be in a back-and-forth, whether it's technically permissible or not. Thanks. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:04, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Since most of my work has been reverted and let others remove what was deemed unnecessary and what, you corrected me, of course, and didn't find the reason to further edit this page. I wasn't much informed to what this edit war policy was, and I appreciate this new information.

This won't occur in this future. Thank you. MunRis | talk 03:39, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply! Appreciate it. Since it sounds like we're on the same page, I'll go ahead and remove the bit that's at odds with the privacy policy now. Thanks for your collaboration, and happy editing! Innisfree987 (talk) 03:54, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to question why my punctuation (accidentally typed in "Grammar" unconsciously) fixes were reverted from my edit to Innisfree987's? I'd like to get some feedback about which was considered vandalism and what wasn't besides the previous edit that put the incorrect year. MunRis | talk 01:37, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, MunRis I was just writing you a message--apologies, I think we were editing at nearly the same moment so when I went to restore the prior version, I had only seen the previous IP edits with that misgendering and change to the birth year, which are pretty clear vandalism, but yours wasn't! Sorry about that, I'm not sure why it didn't show me an edit conflict notice (i.e. to say that someone else had edited while I was in the process of making my chnages--I took a moment to go look up and re-confirm M.A's birth year). Usually I'd revert myself but I think the draft from Fetty is the most accurate one (usually hip-hop is not capitalized on WP, I believe), so I'll just leave if that's ok with you? But for sure, the vandalism notice was not meant for you--apologies that it was sent to you in error! Innisfree987 (talk) 01:57, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The misunderstanding is cleared up now, and I've also been concerned with current vandalism regarding her gender (and possibly her sexuality?), which can be used to have this page semi-protected for a period of time, though I doubt there has been major edits of vandalism. Hip hop music is capitalized on its page, which is why I decided to capitalize the H accordingly (to inform you, of course), and I hadn't noticed its previous edits until I checked the edit history. I'm glad this was answered. MunRis | talk 02:06, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am unable to see what is the problem with inclusion of the real name? As long as it has been published in RS we generally include it (unless of sources there is a strong presumption that publishing it will harm the subject). It seems to be there in multiple sources such as XXLMag, CNN and Trinidad Express. The BLPN Discussion seems to at least show that adding the name is uncontroversial. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 08:07, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

To me the issue is that our policy is that "Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object," but reliable sources specifically tell us the subject does object (1, 2). As best I understand it (from following this for a while), two of the three sources you mention are also factually incorrect about her "real name", so I don't think we can take them as reliable for this purpose (they seem to be repeating information from unreliable sources--which may well have been Wikipedia, at one of the points various versions of this information was up before being removed.)

For what it's worth I fully expect at some point this will meet our standard for publication, but until it's clear that's the case, Wikipedia is not for outing people. Innisfree987 (talk) 17:42, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The guideline that you quoted is about using names from primary sources. The actual guideline is at WP:BLPNAME. In this case, the considerations about privacy/avoiding harm isn't really valid. Neither is the subject a low profile individual.

I could accept the arguments for accuracy, but this detailed profile in Fader also states her name and I don't see any evidence of objection. This came out on Feb 7, after our discussion. I personally don't see a problem including the name now. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 04:07, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. My thing is just that WP should be for collecting already solidly public information rather than making private/low-profile info more public, most especially when the subject has indicated a preference, and I'm still not totally persuaded this falls on the right side of that line, but at this point, it seems like I'm in the minority in this view so I defer to consensus. Innisfree987 (talk) 04:20, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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