Talk:Ray Lewis

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Why was that deleted? I added over a thousand words to the Ray Lewis page when it was a stub and I was wondering why on earth added information was deleted from Wikipedia. Remember the beliefs of wikipedia, guys. It does not have a limit. It's supposed to be all inclusive. I am working on returning it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.126.46.148 (talk) 11:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where did you come by the notion that Wikipedia's goal is to be "all-inclusive"? Wikipedia actually promotes conciseness and relevance.

Grrr. Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_paper_encyclopedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.179.180.250 (talk) 08:01, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Grrr to you for demanding someone read a link and then not reading it yourself. From the linked page: "Keeping articles to a reasonable size is important for Wikipedia's accessibility, especially for dial-up and mobile browser readers, since it directly affects page download time (see Wikipedia:Article size). Splitting long articles and leaving adequate summaries is a natural part of growth for a topic (see Wikipedia:Summary style).... Wikipedia articles are not:... A complete exposition of all possible details. Rather, an article is a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.229.114 (talk) 16:58, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

13 pro bowls. Record.

I am concerned about this being in the infobox and my concerns extend to a general problem with the way "achievement clubs" are portrayed on here. Much like the 40/40 club in baseball and such - this "club" doesn't really exist. There is no award or organization that sanctions it and it is more just a way of identifying certain achievements by a player. Fans are more intent on this than anything else. I think it is certainly worth inclusion here and in wiki in general, but as it is currently misrepresented - i think we should kill it from the box. Any objections? Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  05:01, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you. I would not really mind removing it, but couldn't it be mentioned in a "See Also" section? Maybe it would be better as a category. --ShadowJester07 ► Talk 12:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No. I disagree. It is an achievement. It isn't awarded, but it's certainly a goal. Don't forget that the person who proposed this was a sock puppet that got blocked and deleted from Wikipedia entirely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.126.46.148 (talk) 11:54, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please discuss this before simply moving, it's obviously a controversial move (since it's been done before). Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  04:37, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I just thought that it was dumb for Ray Lewis to be re-directed to Ray Lewis (American football), I was thinking about when you type in Kenny Rogers it doesnt say Kenny Rogers (singer), I am sorry if this is hard to understand, but it is hard to write out what I am trying to say--Yankees10 04:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's not hard to understand at all. Per WP:D, i'm actually inclined to agree with you - it's just that there is obviously some desire to have the page here. It's funny that you mention Kenny Rogers because that is probably the best example of when to actually have both people disambiguated. I would recommend that we use Ray Lewis for this article and, like the Michael Jordan article - have a disambig link at the top. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  05:02, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah the Michael Jordan Location is a great example of how this one should be with the disambig link at top--Yankees10 05:37, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's exactly how it should be and exactly what I did. If someone types George Washington, they likely mean the U.S. president, not the instant coffee inventor. When someone types Michael Jordan, they're typically looking for the basketball player, not the chesterfield goalkeeper. Same logic applies here. We can discuss but I don't see why "Ray Lewis" should immediately redirect to the disambiguation page. The other people named "Ray Lewis" are hardly as notable. --mc machete 07:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I'd agree that Ray Lewis and Michael Jordan should be considered in the same light. That aside - I'm personally sure that I think of the football player and not the track and field runner - but the later was clearly notable and fairly famous. I did some cursory checks of canadian search engines - I found far more results for the track and field Ray Lewis than for the American football player. I live in the states and whole heartedly agree that Ray Lewis is more notable here - and perhaps because of the fact that he is still living - more likely to come up in popular news stories - but i think moving this article without giving someone the opportunity to chime in with an alternative is a bit shortsighted. I'm in agreement with the move but perhaps you should bring this up with people who are familiar with the "other" ray lewis. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  07:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can see my point. The semantics of my specific examples are meaningless; the level of notability between Michael Jordan and Ray Lewis is irrelevant. The Kenny Rogers example is a good one. Certainly the pitcher is very notable but the fact remains that the singer is moreso. I don't know how you are performing your search but results for Ray Lewis the football player far outweigh those for the track and field runner (approx. 357k vs. 91k - almost 4x the results). Here are the links to the searches (you will see that I attempted to create as complete search strings as possible):

• Ray Lewis football player
• Ray Lewis runner

I will leave a note on the other Ray Lewis' talk page but this further convinces me that the change should be made. --mc machete 16:41, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will try and simplify what i'm saying here: I personally agree with the Ray Lewis page housing the Ray Lewis (American football) content and then using a "for others" template. However, I don't know that either of us is in a position to make a claim about the notability of the runner when he is not from the states (i'm assuming here that you are from the us). We need to get input from people with interest before making that move. In regards to the Kenny Rogers article, I think that's a prime example where the main page should be the disambig page. I'm not disagreeing with you on Lewis, I'm just saying neither of us is in a position to affirm how people in other countries are likely to think of "Ray Lewis". If you don't want to raise this issue with someone like that, i'll be glad to go find some people (or at least try). If they don't want to participate, that's another thing. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  17:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I understand what you're saying. I don't disagree, but Google search results are global (though perhaps not the end-all answer we need?). Also, wouldn't Canadians have the same perspective "problems" we do, but in reverse? I'm happy to receive input from the other side, but I think we both know how this should be structured. --mc machete 18:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually search results are far from universal on google. There are times when you do a search that you may get different results from your nextdoor neighbor. These are not "likely", i'm just trying to relay how the system works. When a user who lives in toronto goes to google - they end up at google.ca not google.com. The point is that if there is a significant move from the other side - then the current setup will need to remain in place. Again, I'm with you on this - but that doesn't mean that others won't disagree. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  18:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think this hoop-jumping you've got me doing is a bit much, but I've humored you anyway by posting on the other talk pages. The other two pages are stubs, and the football player is clearly more notable. And though Google does geotarget search results as you suggested, results for Google.ca yield the same results as noted earlier despite the runner being Canadian. This tool lets you view google searches through different international datacenters. I find Ray Lewis the football player leads around the world. --mc machete 12:06, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So I'm trying to do what was discussed in the previous section. What User:Jmfangio (who has subsequently been banned) undid is making it extremely difficult to execute without mod assistance. Essentialy, what I'm trying to do:

• MOVE Ray Lewis to Ray Lewis (disambiguation)
• MOVE Ray Lewis (American football) to Ray Lewis
• Update appropriate links and redirects

Because a page currently exists at Ray Lewis (disambiguation), I can't move Ray Lewis there. I tried to change its name hoping it would vacate the spot, but that didn't work. Using Redirects to accomplish this would be sloppy. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks. --mc machete 01:36, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

definitely needs to be done once someone figures out how to do it. 149.79.35.227 17:02, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ray Lewis' mother is named Sunseria Keith. Her given name is Sunseria, "Buffy" is her nickname. I made the change to reflect that and was reverted twice, the second time also being accused of "sock puppetry" for no apparent reason. I certainly don't appreciate that at all, and I also do not comprehend the reasoning behind the name reversion. I will wait to hear an explanation but I'm at a loss in trying to understand that accusation. Ronnymexico 21:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Provide a source that meets WP:SOURCE, and then the information can stay. Until then, it needs to be left out. You have edit warred with several users over this, please consider alternative methods of discussion. JmFangio| ►Chat  21:22, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like it is Buffy Jenkins to me, see http://www.espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/Lewis_Ray.html. JmFangio| ►Chat  21:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Leaving aside that it appears the entire Wiki paragraph has been lifted from the ESPN article and copied over with the exact same wording (verifiable, I suppose, but not exactly proper convention), the ESPN story simply confirms that his mother sometimes goes by the name "Buffy." As one might expect, Buffy is actually a nickname and her given name is Sunseria:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/29/AR2005082901837_pf.html http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0002/14/bp.00.html http://www.miraclecorners.org/pr_gala.htm http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2000/02/06/lewis_killings_ap/ http://www.eduplace.com/tacklereading/stories/nfl_grads.html http://www.turn2channel.com/Channel_Magazine_Issue3_web.pdf

Let's not go overboard accusing me of "edit warring with several users," it's only been one along with yourself. I'm still waiting for you to explain why you immediately accused me of "sock puppetry" too, as you did not address that in your prior comments. Ronnymexico 21:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your username, agressive and confrontational editing style, and in ability to get alone with other users is very similar to the behavior of another editor who has been involved with this article. Unfortunately, you are right about the lifting of the information, I'm going to review the paragraph to make sure nothing violates WP:COPY but i'll leave in the sourced information. Please consider using sources more often, they will help prevent these types of disputes. JmFangio| ►Chat  21:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I resent the additional accusations in your message. While I can't do anything about the user with a similar name and have no knowledge of such, I categorically deny the second and third claims in your opening sentence. My "editing style" is no more aggressive or confrontational than your own. Common sense should've told you that I was not interested in vandalizing this page, it's not like I was repeatedly erasing legitimate material and posting "Ray kills tigers with his bare hands" or something of that nature. In any case, I have trouble seeing how my edits were more confrontational or aggressive than your immediate "sock puppetry" accusation.

Moreover, I've contributed to numerous Wikipedia articles and have not had any trouble getting along with other users, it's exceedingly arrogant, and once again unfounded, to insinuate otherwise simply because I have not gotten along with one specific user, particularly when you are that user.

I admit my mistake in not immediately sourcing the edit. I assumed it wouldn't be a big deal because my edit was in the midst of what appeared to be an unsourced, common knowledge paragraph. I didn't realize that the source at the end of the paragraph was meant to cover the entire plagiarized paragraph, but that doesn't change the fact that I should have sourced that material anyway and I was wrong not to.

Please consider assuming good faith (a fundamental Wikipedia principle) rather than making unfounded accusations against other editors. It would've been very easy to look at my user contributions and conclude that I am most likely not a likely sock puppet. Failing that, please consider apologizing when you're wrong rather than refusing to back down and making even more unfounded accusations. A simple "I'm sorry, I mistook you for another user" would have sufficed, along with a request that I either source my edit or refrain from future reverts. Ronnymexico 00:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry you resent things - you asked my why i made the note and i told you. Your continued desire to explore this in a confrontational manner is not helping. If you would like to discuss certain pieces of content, let me know. Stick to cited edits when someone reverts you and you won't have any problems. Had I not assumed good faith, this would be in front of the sock board. Don't edit war with people in the future and you will not have this problem. Be well. JmFangio| ►Chat  00:59, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As I said before, I've been no more confrontational than you have. I have not engaged in personal insults or used abusive language, I simply criticized your "sock puppetry" accusation and baseless claims regarding my Wikipedia participation (aggressive editing, inability to get along with other users) that my user history can easily contradict. I admitted my mistake regarding the sourcing issue, I find it telling that you're unwilling to do the same. Assuming you're familiar with the criteria, I'm sure you're aware that "strong evidence" is expected when bringing a claim before the sock board. As such, the assumption of good faith wasn't what kept you from bringing this before them. Don't immediately assume bad faith with editors in the future and you will not have this problem. Ronnymexico 01:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As a courtesy, I want to inform you that I will not be responding to this portion of the discussion any further. Be well. JmFangio| ►Chat  01:33, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is wonderful to have this passive-aggressive hissy fit preserved for posterity. Very enlightening! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.229.114 (talk) 17:03, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Who on earth said Ray Lewis was Jewish? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.2.209.248 (talk) 02:20, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted all the gay-jokes/references on the page. Someone had added multiple "Gayest Player" and "Butt Pirate" sort of reference, I just cleaned them up. 155.68.69.217 (talk) 19:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ray lewis was never convicted of Murder, so why is he labeled as a "Murdered and National Football Player" in the Intro?... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.42.192.4 (talk) 19:59, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's vandalism. Feel free to be bold and remove it. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 20:17, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know how to EDIT out that area of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.42.192.4 (talk) 20:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

-++ ray lewis has comitted a mureder so what he has grown up and he has a lovely wife and he has lovely children so i agree with the other aurthors and i say hes clean and this is cierra thomas for your repoter and plus how long ago was the murder commited aned what for and this is your amazing reporter that is 11 yrs old and thanks for reading

{{editsemiprotected}} Please add notation a citation is needed after the statement that he is an accomplished businessman. (The only example is that he had a restaurant which closed.) Tinman44 (talk) 20:16, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've reworded it to a more NPOV tone. Josh Parris 01:55, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

{{editsemiprotected}} Please change "which will race both cars and trucks" to "which, however, is not a current racing team under any NASCAR series." make "NASCAR series" a link to the following Wikipedia page (of current NASCAR teams) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASCAR_TeamsTinman44 (talk) 21:30, 15 December 2009 (UTC)The team is[reply]

Also, please remove "and already races in the NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series."Tinman44 (talk) 21:41, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've adjusted those sentences to reflect the cited sources I've inserted. Josh Parris 03:17, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've noticed this page is vandalized at least once a week to call him a murderer. Is there a level of edit-protection that would be appropriate for preventing this, or do we just have to keep reverting the vandalism every few days? Thatotherperson (talk) 08:38, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See requests for page protection. The article has been protected before, I don't see why it wouldn't be again. Perhaps try to have it on for the length of the NFL season. --CutOffTies (talk) 10:48, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I added his name to the list, requesting semi-protection until February. Five minutes later an admin went ahead and semi-protected it indefinitely citing frequent violations of the Biographies of Living Persons Policy. Mission accomplished, I guess. Thatotherperson (talk) 23:44, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's repeatedly edited to call him a murderer for the same reason that people continue to call OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony murderers even though they weren't convicted. 98.226.121.102 (talk) 03:57, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Probably because he IS a murderer. Then again, I thought Wikipedia was for information and not for mindless hero worship of a criminal. I stand corrected. It's no wonder nobody takes Wikipedia seriously. I'm sure this comment will be removed by the power tripping Wikipedia administrators, though.

If he wasn't convicted then you can't label him a murderer. Sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.246.203.141 (talk) 21:21, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm helping revitalize an article about Kathleen High School (Lakeland, Florida). There is no reference in this article about Ray Lewis playing all four high school years for Kathleen High School where his father also is an alumnus. There is a link on the Kathleen High School article that references Ray Lewis as an alumnus. I really think this additional information to this article will help boost the reference to his high school page. His Early Life section on his official website references his high school football.[1]Will Danner IV (talk) 12:57 pm, Yesterday (UTC−4)

If someone can provide a source that says he went to high school there, we could add that to either the intro or the beginning of the "playing career" section. Thatotherperson (talk) 21:19, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here is an article by MKROB SPORTS - Ravens LB Ray Lewis Honored by Alma Mater in Lakeland http://www.mkrob.com/ravens-lb-ray-lewis-honored-by-alma-mater-in-lakeland/. Would this suffice as a source? Will Danner IV (talk) 06:26, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have added it to "early life". I used both your reference and the one from nfl.com (some might complain about the mkrobsports being too "bloggy", so I added the NFL link as a "CYA" thing). VictorianMutant (talk) 08:12, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Section headings are supposed to follow the same principles as article titles. The current title fails several of these criteria:

• Recognizability – Baker and Lollar are not recognizable names and using the word "tragedy" makes it unclear what happened to them.
• Naturalness – This phrase is not used by reliable sources to describe these incidents.

We should look for the common name for these events.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 20:30, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you on both points. I changed it from "Arrest for murder" because the section is about broader events than that, and he ended up only dealing with obstruction of justice. How about if we just titled it 'Obstruction of justice'?--Jimbo Wales (talk) 20:39, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

From a Search engine test it looks like "Murder trial" is name most frequently used by reliable sources.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 21:12, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The names are not recognizable, and his arrest/indictment for their murder is very recognizable. He is the only person with a conviction involving these two peoples murder. The title for this section should be arrest or indictment for murder. That is factual, accurate, and recognizable.Fodient (talk) 00:51, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In the absence of any argument against "Murder Trial" I'll make that the section title.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 00:08, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I just changed it to "Murder charges" because, legally speaking, Ray Lewis never went to trial for murder. The two other men did, but Ray Lewis took a plea deal and never faced trial. I believe use of the word "murder" keeps the section recognizable, but makes it more accurate to Lewis himself. ~~EventHorizon47~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by EventHorizon47 (talk • contribs) 01:52, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That is not correct. Lewis was one of the defendants for the first two weeks of the trial before his plea bargain.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 06:59, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. May want to consider making that clearer in the text of the article itself, which just says there was a plea bargain. I assumed the bargain was brokered before trial ever started, which is more common. Digging into the references clears things up though. Thanks for clarification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.167.77 (talk) 04:42, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would also be prudent to include that the reason the guys were acquitted was because it was ruled as self defense, the self defense ruling is what let him stay in the public spotlight after all... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.229.189.32 (talk) 22:17, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Ray Lewis was named #4 on the Top 100:Players of 2011.

96.247.145.192 (talk) 14:22, 13 November 2011 (UTC) He was also #18 on the Top 100:Players of all time.[reply]

Do you have sources for these? --Jnorton7558 (talk) 16:33, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There's a typo on the page. Search for "deflections,safety" (or ",s"). I can't fix it because the page is locked. Mikeyk009 (talk) 16:02, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed. Station1 (talk) 21:13, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The page is currently locked, but there is a typo in the first sentence stating that he's a "former" NFL linebacker, but he's clearly playing against the Colts at this very instant, and has several tackles. Even if he is planning to retire at the conclusion of the season, he is still active. Can you imagine if we said Brett Favre was a former player for each of his 3 last seasons? It would be like saying Obama is our "former" president, since he won't be serving another term.

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Add the 2012 pro bowl to his career achievements section and his total career tacles are wrong. i believe its 1,272 tackles also he has a record 13 pro bowls for a linebacker

Sedna13 (talk) 02:00, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please make your request specific as per the template--Jac16888 ^Talk 02:06, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please update his profile template by adding another pro bowl selectio to his career achievements and highlights section and updating that its 13 record pro bowls for a linebacker. Sedna13 (talk) 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Maybe it's just me but perhaps listing something like his numerous pro bowl selections would be better in the opening paragraph than the "best linebacker of all time," particularly without a citation.

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Content has been significantly vandalized and should be rolled back to accurate version. Acornwa (talk) 15:20, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Could you provide a link to the accurate version? ⋘HueSatLum ? ❢⋙ 20:20, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Partly done: I have changed one section header to a more accurate and less volatile one. There's been no vandalism that I can see, and little editing of the article going back as far as July, other than the addition of a paragraph about his surgery and some re-ordering of the content. Please provide more details so that we can identify where the problem is, because I don't see it at present. Thanks. -- Dianna (talk) 16:38, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done Acornwa was referring to this foolishness that was reverted by User:Pigsonthewing. --SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 18:08, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There's a spelling error on the page. In the infobox it says "looses" where it should say "loses". I can't fix it because the page is locked. Encaenmi (talk) 19:18, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As of January 6, Ray Lewis is playing for Baltimore, suited and on the field of play. This means that as long as he is playing, presumably as long as the post season continues, he is an active player and not a former player. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.100.242 (talk) 19:38, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can't edit this page for some reason, however, this source may help improve the murder trial section: http://www.artclu.com/crew/bfoley/lawscope/index.cfm?L1=news&story=10&pg=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.161.123.128 (talk) 15:49, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I would like to edit the first sentence of the second paragraph of the Legacy section as follows.

CURRENT verbiage: "Lewis has been referenced in television shows such as The Wire, films such as The Rundown, and in music videos, such as in Mario's "Just a Friend 2002" and Nelly's "Heart of a Champion".

PROPOSED verbiage: "Lewis has been referenced in television shows such as Law & Order ("Asterisk", Season 13, Episode 8; "The Sixth Man", Season 15, Episode 16) and The Wire, films such as The Rundown, and in music videos, such as in Mario's "Just a Friend 2002" and Nelly's "Heart of a Champion".

Not done for now: Please provide a reference for the Law and Order Asterisk part. The cast list on IMDb didn't show Ray Lewis, so I can't make the change until you provide one. Vacation9 12:57, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lewis was not a member of the cast for either of the L&O shows in question. He was specifically mentioned by name in both. This is why I said "Lewis has been referenced...".Blitzburgh64 (talk) 22:30, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Already listed as retired? I thought since the Brett Favre debacle it was decided not to make the changes until the retirement papers are submitted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1010:B10A:E451:5A4A:9B96:5BC4:4CDC (talk) 04:59, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree he should not be listed as retired until he submits his papers, and they are accepted, and filed, by the NFL. Until then he is still a member of the Baltimore Ravens, as they still have him under contract!--Subman758 (talk) 01:24, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The article currently says He has six children by four women (four boys and two girls). The parenthetical is out of place, seeming to describe the women rather than the children. I propose instead something like He has six children (four boys and two girls) by four women. -65.26.194.87 (talk) 05:10, 15 February 2013 (UTC) ....ive hooked up with his son ray III[reply]

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Ray Lewis is not married. Please remove "he is married"

108.15.18.155 (talk) 02:31, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.— Deon^talk 13:26, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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This source is outdated and now links to the frontpage of Sports Illustrated. The citation is not only worthless to the article in that is doesn't validate the information it is supposed to validate, but also detracts from the article by offering misleading information. The information pertaining to this source is also highly questionable, one year is a relatively light sentence for obstruction of justice. 67.164.188.243 (talk) 00:32, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done Updated the URL to link to a archived version of this source on the wayback machine. Couldn't seem to find another source that said both his sentence and that this was the maximum sentence, so settled for the archived source. Cannolis (talk) 12:03, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I can't edit the article since it is semi-protected, but I do feel that the information is a bit biased. It really only mentions evidence against him, such as the missing suit, Baker's blood being found in the limousine, the fact that he had recently bought a knife, etc. But it neglects to mention that basically every witness said that Lewis was in the limo screaming at his friends to get inside: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/remembering-the-ray-lewis-controversy/

Also, there was a very good chance that the judge would have thrown out the case had Lewis not taken the plea deal: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2000-06-07/news/0006070296_1_lewis-oakley-cognac/2

And, perhaps most importantly, this page says "No other suspects have been arrested for the crime." This sentence implies the crime remains unsolved. The fact is, it is solved. A jury found that Sweeting and Oakley had killed the two men in self defense: http://www.artclu.com/crew/bfoley/lawscope/index.cfm?L1=news&story=10&pg=1

By almost all witness accounts, Ray Lewis saw a fight break out and immediately ran for his limo because he didn't want to risk his NFL career. He desperately tried to get his entourage to come into the car with him, but he was largely unsuccessful, and Sweeting and Oakley ended up killing the two people in self defense, although they didn't seem too ashamed of it. He told them to be silent, deny everything, etc., and when questioned, he did nothing but lie to the police because he didn't want to admit any culpability. The reason why Ray Lewis' suit was missing is because it was probably covered in blood, thanks to Sweeting and Oakley, you know, killing guys, and Lewis tried to hide the evidence. Same explanation for why Baker's blood was in Lewis' limo. But still, only one witness will say he saw Lewis actively involved in the fight, and the witness is an admitted con artist who is later imprisoned (see Grantland article). Please include some of these facts, or at least emphasize that Sweeting and Oakley were found not guilty by self defense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.135.100.105 (talk) 01:06, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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In 2015, Ray Lewis published I Feel Like Going On and became a New York Times best-selling author. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Troy Black (talk • contribs) 20:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/history/mvp/sbxxxv Super_Bowl_XXXV National_Football_League_Defensive_Player_of_the_Year_AwardLewis, the Super Bowl MVP, recorded 3 tackles, 2 assists, and 4 pass defenses. Not necessarily the most impressive line for the NFL defensive player of the year, but he was effective, in on nearly every play. The entire season, the defense of the Ravens dominated, and Lewis even told Shannon Sharpe in an interview, ‘Give us 10 points, the game is over’(nfl.com). He was referring to his offense, knowing that if you gave their defense the slightest bit of leeway, the game was over. After the game, Lewis repeatedly praised his teammates, stating how he wouldn’t be the player that he was without them.

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state the duration of his recovery and how. he came back from a torn tricep in 5 weeks due to antler spray... .... ...... 2605:E000:3DA3:4400:5D6A:8FA:8A8D:D070 (talk) 08:11, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lizard (talk) 08:28, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The intro is written in a very inflammatory way implying he is responsible for the stabbings. Consider rewording. Casual including his legal issues among his football career and accolades is just bad writing structure. It should be included in a separate section or at least separate paragraph rather than casual in the middle. Sloppy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.174.214.53 (talk) 19:04, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Shannon Sharpe is precisely right. He's guilty as can be but his money and noteriety let him get away with it, just like the Clintons. 70.161.8.90 (talk) 20:36, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Says he led the league in tackles 5 times. I think it was 3 times. He didn't lead the NFL in 2003 and 2004. 199.192.67.251 (talk) 19:32, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:45, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ray Lewis was a murderer 50.26.144.41 (talk) 17:15, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The charges were dropped.[2] —Bagumba (talk) 02:31, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just watched the 30 for 30 doc called Bullies of Baltimore and in it Lewis talks about how his fave movie is Gladiator and that it greatly affected his playing persona and outlook on life. Might be of interest to add into the 'personal life' section. Watson1234567 (talk) 03:24, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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