Talk:Manfred Baumann

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The history of the article shows that it was created by User:FotoBaumann (later renamed User:FotoBaumann~enwiki). It was later augmented by User:NellyBaumann. Both users' contributions to en:WP have been limited to this article.

The article has been much edited by User:FotoMani (for example, this set of edits, in which future events are described, and "internationally known" is added to the introduction.) This user's contributions to en:WP have been limited to this article.

File:Manfred Baumann MUSTANGS NHM 2018.jpg largely consists of a photograph. (It also has logos of Leica and the Natural History Museum Vienna, making its copyright status very doubtful.) Its description reads MUSTANGS 2018 - Plakat fotografiert von Manfred Baumann für seine Ausstellung im Natur Historischen Museum 2017/2018. We're also told:

Source Own work

Author FotoMani

If it's both Baumann's photography and FotoMani's own work, then FotoMani is Baumann.

The degree to which this is an autobiography is not entirely clear. What is clear is that it has been created by a person, or persons, close to Baumann. -- Hoary (talk) 09:21, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• None of this matters, however, if there is nothing about the article which makes this conflict of interest a problem. The COI tag is meant to tell readers how to fix a coi problem (you can read about this on the documentation page for the template). If there is no problem, then there is no point in placing the tag. You have begun a talk page discussion, which is one of the requirements of placing the tag, but you have not explained what, if anything, about this article must be changed in order to justify removing it. I am taking the tag off the article for now as a result, please feel free to replace it if you are able to identify what aspects of the article's content must be changed to neutralize the COI concern. Thanks! A loose necktie (talk) 04:57, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the (conditional) invitation to restore the COI template. I am about to do just that.

The article is promotional and poorly sourced:

• He's "an internationally known photographer". Wikipedia is viewed and read internationally, therefore any photographer covered in Wikipedia is internationally known. (Or does the claim here mean something else? If so, what?)
• The text is an exercise in name-dropping, and is barely sourced.
• The list of exhibitions is largely unsourced.
• One of the (few) cited sources is IMDB, which is unreliable.

So "what aspects of the article's content must be changed to neutralize the COI concern"?

• Removal of all promotional flatus. (There are other examples.)
• Removal of list of photographed celebs, unless of course his photography of them has brought independent discussion.
• Independent sources for all the exhibitions that remain cited.
• Removal of IMDB as a reference.

Incidentally, I have not (yet) examined the other sources. -- Hoary (talk) 05:14, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

PS the other alterations you made within minutes of removing the COI tag are improvements. Thank you for them. But they don't go far enough. -- Hoary (talk) 05:19, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Agreed, and well done. Thank you! A loose necktie (talk) 07:33, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• After this series of edits, the article is still poor, but I think it's not so much contaminated by COI. Feel free to remove the template (and of course to improve the article), A loose necktie. -- Hoary (talk) 09:53, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:

• Manfred Baumann MUSTANGS NHM 2018.jpg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 10:21, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a long list of exhibitions, mostly unreferenced. I soon thereafter removed those that were unreferenced, as well as one that was merely sourced to the very dubious IMDB. Perhaps somebody would like to use this long list to google for reliable sources. Once properly referenced, they can of course be readded. -- Hoary (talk) 09:29, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]