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I see no reason why this should not be included. She has significant acting credit, not only listed in this article - but an article of its own Kelly Clarkson videography, and an article for her talk show The Kelly Clarkson Show. Please discuss why not? Thanks. Chaheel Riens (talk) 07:41, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• While Kelly has acted, she is not known as an actress and acting is not a defining part of her career. Not to get into semantics, but I would consider her acting portfolio to be limited, especially when compared to individuals who are known for their acting, so I disagree with the "significant acting credit" wording. A talk show is not related to acting, and this aspect of her career is already being with the television personality wording in the lead and infobox. I would not be opposed to a more specific wording (i.e. "television host") being used instead as done in the Ellen DeGeneres article), but again being a talk show host is not the same as acting. For these reasons, I do not see a strong rationale for identifying Kelly as an actress. Aoba47 (talk) 23:39, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Completely agree with Aoba47. To Chaheel Riens, you should elaborate "significant acting credit", nothing is significant in her acting career. Her only major acting role is From Justin to Kelly, everything else were just minor roles and cameos. Bluesatellite (talk) 04:40, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I disagree, but also bow to your logic - although one could argue that even a single "major acting role" thusly qualifies somebody as an actor - and won't dispute removal. Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:37, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• To repeat my original point, acting is not a defining part of Clarkson's career. While she is an actor, it is not significant enough to name in the lead and infobox. Clarkson is fair more known for her music and talk show (which again is not acting). This is not about whether or not Kelly is an actor, but whether or not it is significant enough in her career to mention in the lead and infobox, and I fail to see a strong enough rationale to support that inclusion. Aoba47 (talk) 23:08, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:STICK. There is no need to repeat your original point. You won't change my opinion, and run the risk of making me dig my own heels in and prolong the conversation when I've already conceded. Just make the damn change and let it go. Chaheel Riens (talk) 06:56, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for that. That was not my intention. I just wanted to make sure my point was clear. That is all. Aoba47 (talk) 01:30, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Contrary to popular belief, somebody's career doesn't begin with an appearance on American Idol - the article itself makes it clear in multiple ways that she began her career before that - the lede itself says She rose to fame which is not the same as starting a career, and the first section regarding her career is even called 1982–2002: Early life and career beginnings.

No argument that it was American Idol in 2002 that boosted her into the mainstream and limelight - but it was not when her career started. Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:40, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unless I've missed something, there has never been clarification that her career started in 2000. If we want to be technical, say it started in 2001. It says in the early life and career begins section that was when she went to LA to pursue a career and eventually started working with Gerry Goffin briefly and did demo work. IDK HappyAppy10 (talk) 15:48, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think my original statement should be modified - the question is what year was she active from, not when did her career start?" - it seems apparent that she wasn't very successful prior to American Idol, but there is also plenty of article space saying what she did get up to, and it's clear she was trying to break into the big time. The parameter isn't for defining when success is met, but how long she's been performing for, and that seems to have been straight from (if not including) high school - in 2000. She does seem to have had a bit more success in 2001 than 2000 - but that's still prior to 2002. Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:56, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

that can't be true 50.235.182.190 (talk) 13:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2601:14B:C300:D7D0:50F5:253A:69AE:FCED (talk) 00:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Myrealnamm (💬pros · ✏️cons) 00:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]