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A fact from Anne Maria Barkly appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 8 May 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Nicholas Chevalier designed a fern-inspired dress for Anne Maria Barkly, an expert on South African ferns?

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The result was: promoted by Kingsif (talk) 11:14, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Anne Maria Barkly's fern inspired designer dress

... that years before she wrote her book about South African ferns, Anne Maria Barkly had a fern-inspired dress designed for her (pictured)? Source: "In 1875 ... published A Revised List of the Ferns of South Africa.... In 1860, Nicholas Chevalier designed a fancy-dress costume... appliqued with fern motifs ..."
- ALT1:... that when botanist Anne Maria Barkly (pictured) was married in Australia she was older than the city of Melbourne? "...mid-1860... married twenty-two-year-old Anne Maria Pratt also AGFfact City in 1847 says book "Melbourne: the city's history and development"
- ALT2 ... that botanist Anne Maria Barkly's fern inspired dress (pictured) was an example of pteridomania? Source: "as above and offline Sarah Whittingham's 2012 book Fern Fever: The Story of Pteridomania includes the 1860, Nicholas Chevalier designed fancy-dress costume with appliqued with fern motifs ..."

Reviewed: Pirjo Ala-Kapee-Hakulinen

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self-nominated at 13:35, 14 April 2021 (UTC).[reply]

@Victuallers, sorry you had to wait for a while on this. New when nominated, 2300+ bytes of prose, hooks cited (with one caveat to follow), QPQ done, some issues with the image. The hook issue is: Melbourne says the city was founded on 30 August 1835. Anne Maria Barkly says she was born in 1837. So, if those two dates are correct, how could she be older than the city? I think alt0 is the best, followed by alt2 (for which I AGF the offline source), so I'm not too concerned about alt1. I am a bit concerned about the image, however. It's sourced from a Pinterest page, which directs the reader to this page for an exhibition at the National Library of Australia. I can't find the image on that page. Of course, if it was produced in 1860, it is presumably in the public domain, but I'd like clearer licensing information if possible. Also, the lede is a bit confusing: do you mean that she had expertise in/published widely on the flora of Mauritius and South Africa? AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 20:19, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@AleatoryPonderings: Thanks for the review. I have withdrawn Alt1. Not sure what you want to do with the image. As you say it was produced in 1860, then what more information would convince you and of what? Its likely anonymous now. Surely all we need to know is whether it has a free license, anything else is just a bonus. Victuallers (talk) 19:22, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My concern re: the image was simply that it was sourced from Pinterest and therefore the provenance was initially unclear. Happily, though, on a second look, PDF page 47 of this PDF (exhibit catalogue for the NLA exhibit) has a low-res version of this drawing, which is enough for me to clarify the date of creation. I will leave it to the promoter to determine whether the exhibit catalogue source is sufficient to verify a free licence for the high-res image. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 19:34, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@AleatoryPonderings: The source you supplied featured new information that although the design was for her, she in fact, chose a different dress so I had to add that extra info to the article and tweak Alt0 - can you confirm the change?

@Victuallers: The sources verify the new alt0, but the bit about "years before" reads oddly to me. (To my ear, it suggests some kind of connection between the two?) Up to you, but I might prefer alt0a:

... that Nicholas Chevalier designed a fern-inspired dress (pictured) for Anne Maria Barkly, an expert on South African ferns?

Either way, it's a go from my perspective. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 22:51, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]