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Thanks for your contributions to the platelet article. I saw that you talked with another user about adding references - that is great. The Wikipedia policy has always been to expect every statement added to be associated with a cited source, even though that has not always happened. It is ideal to start with a source and then integrate it into the article piecewise. Thanks for improving the article. I know nothing about this subject but what you are doing seems thoughtful. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:39, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments. My first edit was in mid March. I have had two others drop me notes about referencing. You are right that referencing has "not always happened": I went to the edit history section and looked at the last version before I started editing: I counted 151 unreferenced statements, and 36 referenced, which have accumulated over the past 10 years since the article was started. The count as of now, after my editing: 127 unreferenced, 37 referenced. So I have added 4 referenced statements, and deleted 28 unreferenced incorrect statements.

I have also changed numerous unreferenced statements because they were either incorrect or poorly worded. I did not reference the replacements, the logic being that for now a correct unreferenced statement is better than an incorrect unreferenced statement.

I am now finished with corrections, reorganizing and labeling. I'll take a look at referencing the statements of prior contributors as time permits.

Regards.

IiKkEe (talk) 00:28, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

please bring sources for the content you are adding - generally, and to the platelets article now. thanks! Jytdog (talk) 16:15, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for suggestion. I have had two others drop me notes about referencing. Referencing seems to be the exception on Wikipedia, and widely tolerated: I went to the edit history section and looked at the last version of Platelet prior to my editing: I counted 151 unreferenced statements, and 36 referenced, which have accumulated over the past 10 years since the article was started. The count as of now, after my editing: 127 unreferenced, 37 referenced. So I have added 4 referenced statements, and deleted 28 unreferenced incorrect statements.

I've also changed numerous unreferenced statements because they were either incorrect or poorly worded. I did not reference the replacements, the logic being that - for now - a correct unreferenced statement is better than an incorrect unreferenced statement. I've done this on several other sites too.

Is there anyone assigned by Wikipedia to monitor for unreferenced statements, and to admonish the author or delete the statements if not referenced promptly?

I am now finished with corrections, reorganizing and labeling. I'll take a look at referencing the unreferenced statements of prior contributors as time permits.

Regards. IiKkEe (talk) 00:54, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, thanks for your work on platelet and coagulation. I admire your energy. Don't worry about others suggesting doing stuff in a certain way. It takes a while to learn the ropes; stuff gets easier over time.

Unreferenced content is a major frustration, and you will see many articles with boxes at the top saying that the content requires references. Sadly the adding of references to existing content is a tough job, and there is no watertight formal process for addressing this. Well, unless you count the individual enthusiasm of editors who take an article and keep on hammering at it until it's fantastic and then submit it for review through the good article or featured article process.

If I can suggest one thing, it's taking the advice of experienced folk like GrahamColm (talk · contribs). He's been here for years, knows the place like no other, and happens to be professionally involved in the area of your interest. Let me know if I can be of any assistance! JFW | T@lk 14:39, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In response to your question on people monitoring unsourced statements, there is no formal role like this. There are other editors (people like you and me) who have a peek at newly added content, and will sometimes remove stuff that looks like it's not verifiable. If it could be, and doesn't sound outrageous, it might be tagged with a {{citation needed}} tag, and sometimes the other editor might have access to the right source and add it to the unsourced statement straight away.

You can imagine that not every contribution gets "patrolled" in such a way, and this is why unsourced stuff accumulates in some articles over time. I patrol articles that I have worked on in the past, because I am usually familiar with the subject. JFW | T@lk 15:52, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi IiKkEe. Thanks for all your edits to Leptin, you've done a great job improving the article. I just wanted to let you know that I have removed your warnings as it's not appropriate to include these types of comments in the article. If you have serious doubts about some of the sources you can add individual tags to each one (such as {{better source}} or {{failed verification}}) or you could remove them and add a better source. You could also place a note on the article talk page detailing all your concerns about the referencing. If you feel you must include comments in an article for any reason they should be placed in comment tags (<!-- Like this -->) so they can only be seen when someone edits the page. Sarahj2107 (talk) 19:53, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I also noticed some of your recent edits and I was typing this message at exactly the same time as Sarahj2107 - if you think there is something fundamentally misleading with particular content, then it would be better perhaps to remove it, or to discuss its improvement on the talkpage where this could be remedied by perhaps the addition of a more up-to-date citation. There are also particular templates which can be used to highlight concerns about sourcing in articles which will be more likely to be picked up and addressed by other editors - see for example Wikipedia:Template_messages/Cleanup. I will mention this discussion at the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine, as I think someone with much more experience in this field would be better place to advise you how to achieve a sensible improvement to the article. I hope this suggestion is of help. --_nonsense ferret 20:00, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well I tried to respond to Sarah under Leptin and somehow, wiki says, I am creating an edit conflict and won't let me "Save page" - so I'll start a new section to reply.

To Sarahj2107 - Thank you so much for your courtesy in notifying me what you have done. I actually did not plan to leave my warnings there: I was just documenting them for whoever wants to come behind me and try to straighten this section out. It won't be me - I know nothing about the subject of leptin resistance, but I do know how to spot the obsolete and undocumented and redundant. Everything I have done is documented in the "history of edits" section and that's good enough for me. Thanks for the "nowiki" tip: I didn't know that. Maybe there's something I know that you don't: there IS a way to mark a warning on the page itself: I just don't know how to do it. That's what I planned - and still plan - to replace my warnings with once I find out how to do it: Wiki/help/chat will tell me that. I'll just refer everyone to my "history of edit" page for the gory details.

Most of all, thanks for the compliment - everybody likes an attaboy, me included. The two things driving me crazy right now are 1) when was the AA sequence first determined and by whom? 3) what is its half life? I'll keep looking. Also, I've found some neat stuff on molecular structure vs function that I plan to add to that section, then I'll say goodbye to Ms/Mr Leptin. Unless it's to come back and admire "my" Contents section.

Regards

IiKkEe (talk) 20:58, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again, regarding your comment above, "I actually did not plan to leave my warnings there: I was just documenting them for whoever wants to come behind me and try to straighten this section out. It won't be me." You can't assume that there is an army of other volunteers in the wings ready to fix issues. There isn't one. Comments can stay on the page for years. Please try to fix errors straight away of at least start a thread on the Talk Page. We already have a disclaimer. All our contributors are just like you - working for free from home or their workplaces when there is time. Also please see WP:BRD for advice on problems that you find especially worrying. Having said all this, thanks for your hard work on Platelet, I think you are getting to know how this amazing encyclopedia has been written. Best wishes. Graham. Graham Colm (talk) 21:57, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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This paragraph has four supporting references 18-28 years old. It should be rewritten by one knowledgeable in this complex and controversial area.

This reference is to an online newspaper, not a peer reviewed reference

Imagawa, et al. Structure-Function Studies of Human Leptin. JBC. 1998, December; 52(273): 35245-35249 y Cterminal necessary for secretion, stability, solubility.

mammary epithelial cells, bone marrow, pituitary sites of leptin

Kline, et al. Leptin is a four-helix bundle: secondary structure by NMR. FEBS Letters.1997, February; 407(2): 239-242 - exhibits a short strand segment and two long random coil loops. Determined secondary structure by NMR. Long chain short helix cytokine fold.

Peelman, et al. Mapping of the leptin binding sites and design of a leptin antagonist. JBC. 2004, September; 39(279): 41038-41046 - synthesized first leptin antagonist, caused obesity, altered immune system, hypogonadism. Binding site is the N terminal 94 AA

Zhang, F., et al. Crystal Structure of the obese protein leptin-E100. Nature. 1997, May; 387(6629):206-209. First to crystallize. Leptin aggregates so cannot be crystallized . Disulfide bonding critical. structure unique

Cannot crystallize AA 27-38 As od 2008, don't fully know structure, Rigid hydrophobic core: unique. Core has a hydrophobic cap which buries the lipophilic residues on the the surface of the BD helical bundle

IiKkEe (talk) 07:35, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

PMC3673773 - Adaptive thermogenesis 100,000 kCal stored in a 70 kg person "Cordinated regulation o energy intake and expenditure mediated by signals emanatin from adipose, gastrointestinal, and endocrine rissues, and integrated by the liver and CNS" lose weight 10% - daily energy enditre goes down 25% -lose 10% wt - gain 20% icrease in skeletal muscle chemomechanicl efficiency,18% gain in FFA use as fuel during light exsrcise PMID12609816 -UCP in BAT yilds more heat generation -BAT activation: ,beta-3 R,THR (thyroid hormone receptor) 19912477 -Leptin sensitive decline in SNS, thyrioid with weight loss COULD BE mechanism of reduced thermog. by BAT -only takes 25G of BAT to explain decline in REE -All of above applies to rodents, noy humans: little BAT im humans: YES THERE IS: BAT in 7.5% womwn, 10% men using PET scans. - Expose to cold: 23/24 have BAT on PET(19357405) - leptin prop to fat mass (8784109corti) -letin conc inv prop to hunger ratings(9822946) -give leptin, hyperphagia goes away (10486419) -Leptin goes down, intake goes up, due to more POMC, less Y(NPY) (AgRP) and (MCH)anorexogenic neuropeptitide POMC; orixigens neuropeptideY, agouti-related peptide, melanin concentrating hormone -leptin gors down,POMC goes down -low leptin meanslow HPT, high HPA -POMC proopiomelaocortin This is it: administration of leptin tolow leptinhumans causes energy expenditure up,energy intake down, SNS up, normalizes HPA, thyroid gonadalfn(11297566)(10486419) -BUT if NoT leptin def,to get a wt loss effect requires dose of L to get L conc overten times normal(10546697) -SUMMARY: lose wt, allsystems attempt to restore wt: metabolic, neuroendocrine,autonomic behavoioiural changes all oppose. FAT STORES ARE DEFENDED BY INTERLOCKINGBIOENERGETCAND NEUROBIOLOGICALPHSIOLOGIES. THe HUMAN BODY ACTIVELY OPPOSES THE CURE. - acponline.org -1999review of1320 papers , No PMID! Perfect diagrams OUTLINE GENETICS REGULATION OF SERUM LEPTIN LEVELS leptin ACTION AND CLEARANCE tHE ROLE OF LEPTIN IN HUMAN PHYSIOLOGY AND PATHOPHYSIOOGY NEONATE cHILHOOD AND PUBERTY← lEPTIN AND LEPTIN RESISTANCE IN HUMAN OBESITY lEPTIN AND THE METABOLIC AND NEUROENDOCRINE RESONSE TO FOOF DEPRIVATION l in hYPERTENSION,←DIABETES,×POLYCYSTIC OVARIAN DISEASE l IN EATING DIRORDERS L IN OTHER CLINICALSRTATES cLINICAL TRIALS FUTURE DIRECTIONS

fROM "The Role of leptin in human Mantzoros obesity and disease 199 Annala vol130 #8

IiKkEe (talk) 01:19, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

MCR - melanocortin =

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Imagawa, et al. Structure-Function Studies of Human Leptin. JBC. 1998, December; 52(273): 35245-35249 y

− Cterminal necessary for secretion, stability, solubility.

− − mammary epithelial cells, bone marrow, pituitary sites of leptin

− − Kline, et al. Leptin is a four-helix bundle: secondary structure by NMR. FEBS Letters.1997, February; 407(2): 239-242 - exhibits a short strand segment and two long random coil loops. Determined secondary structure by NMR. Long chain short helix cytokine fold.

− − Peelman, et al. Mapping of the leptin binding sites and design of a leptin antagonist. JBC. 2004, September; 39(279): 41038-41046 - synthesized first leptin antagonist, caused obesity, altered immune system, hypogonadism. Binding site is the N terminal 94 AA

− − Zhang, F., et al. Crystal Structure of the obese protein leptin-E100. Nature. 1997, May; 387(6629):206-209. First to crystallize. Leptin aggregates so cannot be crystallized

− . Disulfide bonding critical. structure unique

− − Cannot crystallize AA 27-38 As od 2008, don't fully know structure, Rigid hydrophobic core: unique. Core has a hydrophobic cap which buries the lipophilic residues on the the surface of the BD helical bundle

− − IiKkEe (talk) 07:35, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for invite - I'll just stick to Platelets, Leptin, Ghrelin, and Energy homeostasis pages. Plenty enough to do there.

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Yep. I edited one sentence in the lead,when I pressed Enter whole article from that point on disappeared. Attempting to revert to previous edit now. Should be easy, but first attempt failed. If you know how, please feel free to do so. Will ask for help from chatroom. Thanks for your interest.

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This guideline recommends the usual layout of sections for medication or drug related articles. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:40, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please clarify above: what drug and what sections are you referring to? Are you commenting on an edit I have made? If so, which one? Thank you. Regards.

IiKkEe (talk) 06:58, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This one here [2]. But also there are further policies mentioned on the talk page of the caffeine article Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:13, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Again I ask - why are you pointing this out to me? What drug are you referring to? Are you commenting on a specific edit I made? If so, which one? If there is a specific guideline which you feel an edit of mine violates, please copy and paste it here and we can discuss it.

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This edit [3]. Per MEDMOS other organisms goes near the end. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:59, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Could you copy and paste here the part of MEDMOS that addresses the location of "Other organisms"? Thank you. Regards. IiKkEe (talk) 21:45, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, first thanks for thanking me. I saw you deleted a small phrase on Leptin that I inserted. I disagree with your assessment that this is redundant, because all prior cases were from "Eastern populations" and this was a kid from Ulm, Germany. would you agree if I reinsert? Regards,--Wuerzele (talk) 05:06, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

ToWuerzele Thank you so much for approaching our different preferences for how this is phrased in a civil and respectful way. I will make every effort to reciprocate. I will say only this much for now - I wanted to connect with you promptly to say the above - I will be back here shortly after reviewing the NEJM article. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 05:46, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NEJM, vol 372, No. 1, January 1, 2015, page 49, sentence 1: "The patient is the first child of two healthy, normal-weight Turkish parents with known consanguinity (first degree cousins)." So its the researchers who are from Germany, not the patient: it's another "Eastern population" mutation. Thank you again for not reverting, but discussing. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 08:00, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

IiKkEe, Thank you for fine combing- I overlooked the Turkish heritage- and inserting the detail.

Re thanks for discussing: sure thing, although it is really the law of the land WP:BRD. it was such a small issue and easy to discuss. I also saw how you've edged on with Doc James. Anyone with biomedical interest or prof background does edge on with him at some point (Look on my talkpage how he welcomed me to wikipedia- and I ve not gone back to any clinical topics since) and so I can relate. I think I automatically treat those who are bruised extra careful and respectfully so they dont think that all of WP is like that. btw are you from Finland ?--Wuerzele (talk) 08:44, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Been on WP since Jun 2014, met all kinds of editors, including those who prefer "my way is the only right way" to "we've got a different preference/opinion on this, let's discuss". Those who just delete, and never compose, are the biggest challenge for me. In the words of the Great Philosopher Tom Petty "... Gonna stand - my - ground, and I won't - back - down..." Not bruised: ready for the next encounter, determined to keep my end civil. Come on back to the clinical topics: we'll take on the world together!

Surprised by the Finland question: I'm a Texan! Why the question??? Are you? Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 09:20, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hint: You can see where someone's from by looking at the language categories at the bottom of their userpage, if they so choose. others put up oh-so-cute WP:Babel boxes, which I am sure you have seen.--Wuerzele (talk) 16:49, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewed you contribution to Antibiotic resistance 19 March 2013 which was reverted. I'm going to restore most of what you did over the next couple of days and see if there is a challenge. Please watch me, and edit my edits if they are not true to your original intent. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 10:51, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

ToUser:Wuerzele I think by not addressing you when I wrote above 3 paragraphs there was no way for you to know they were there and addressed to you. Hopefully this will accomplish that. Any further comments on Antibacterial resistance, addressed to you or otherwise, I will place on that Talk page. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 12:41, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

IiKkEe, correct, I didnt get a ping; came here today after receiving 8 thanks (blush) for my odd edits on antibiotic resistance, which I admit were emboldened by seeing your many edits on antibiotic resistance all of a sudden. As far as your heroic attempt to restore my paleo-edits from March 2013, a WP lifetime ago: the article surely changed in 2 years, what crazy work! (deep blush). As far as pinging: you did mention my username on your talk page, so it should have alerted me, but it didnt; maybe because of the missing space? Look at the code of how I ping you {{U|IiKkEe}}- that's a short and reliable way to ping. Thanks for placing any further comments on Talk:Antibiotic resistance.--Wuerzele (talk) 16:32, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

IiKkEe did you see the discussion on the talkpage / my attempt to reverse the page move? --Wuerzele (talk) 05:20, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussed under diagnosis. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:41, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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do you realize that the article you completely reworked was a WP:Good article? for pete's sake. it may need to be delisted now. Jytdog (talk) 01:18, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User:Jytdog I agree the article was a good article and I acknowledge the major contribution you have made to it. I don't think that I completely reworked the article: I did make 134 specific edits with a justification for each in the Edit history notes, and I believe each were an improvement to an already good article. I could be wrong: please feel free to critique one, some, or all of my edits on the Talk page and voice your specific objections, and we can discuss them there in a spirit of mutual respect with the aim of reaching a consensus. IiKkEe (talk) 01:41, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

i have made almost no contributions to it - which just goes to show that you took almost no time to understand the standing of the article. I just noticed that you acted with terrible arrogance, and we probably need to delist the article. Its a fucking shame. Jytdog (talk) 02:18, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The lead should be kept in simple language. Your changes have made it more complicated than necessary. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:14, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You added "Two hereditary diseaes cause Cushing's syndrome" which is not true. More than two diseases cause pituitary adenomas.[4] Also you added details that are not supported by the ref in question. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:34, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that you do not format refs you add the same as others in the article is a difficulty. Please read WP:MEDHOW Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:43, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To Doc James - To what reference are you referring? IiKkEe (talk) 00:22, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IiKkEe, we haven't actually spoken on Wikipedia before so I figured I would say hello since we've both been working on the hypertension article. I noticed there are two references at the end of the elderly subsection that are improperly formatted. It appears (from what I can see) that you were the one who added those references to the article and they're solid guidelines references, but can you fix the formatting to be consistent with the remainder of the article please? Thank you :) TylerDurden8823 (talk) 02:50, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

TylerDurden8823 Thank you for connecting with me - I had thought about doing the same with you, because I am impressed with both your meticulous attention to detail and your civility. And more so with your above note, to include the "please", the "thank you" and the smiley face.

I know a bit about organizing articles, and about hypertension - been in the field for over 40 years - but not so much about formatting. I will attempt to fix, but if I am not successful, I will recruit a fellow editor who knows about formatting. And I look forward to your scrutiny of my future edits on this Page: in contrast to you, there are those who follow me wherever I edit, and revert and delete as fast as I edit, often without explanation, while making no contributions of their own - see above 3 communications. Regards. IiKkEe (talk) 03:55, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

All I ask is that you give it a try. If you're confused about how to do it, feel free to ask and we'll help. I would suggest using the cite journal format found elsewhere throughout the article for comparison. Just out of curiosity, are you in the healthcare field? Physician or something else? You don't have to answer, but I'm just wondering since you said you've been in the field 40+ years.TylerDurden8823 (talk) 05:20, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

TylerDurden8823 I see you fixed the references for me, rather than trying to teach me how, or waiting to see if I could figure it out on my own: thank you!

I have not included a biography on my User page on purpose, because I believe edits should stand on their own merit, and not because of the credentials or experience of the editor. To me, this would lean toward bullying. (There was an 8 year old boy who challenged one of my edits - wonderful!) That said, I am happy to answer your specific question: yes, I am a medical doctor in the US.

I would like to get your reaction to several of my Hypertension edits which have been rejected by others - my thought is to possibly post them on the Hypertension Talk page for discussion, to see if other editors feel they have value and should be allowed. But I am interested in whether you specifically see any problem with them: I know I will get candid feed back from you. If you are amenable, would your User talk page be the appropriate place to display them for you?

Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 13:13, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In this case I figured I would teach by example rather than take you through it step by step since the article history now will always have that diff allowing you to see the cite journal format I used going forward. However, in the spirit of teaching, I'll also have you take a brief look at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Journal_articles . Now, this link says DOI is optional (that's true), but most editors include it for the sake of having a complete reference and making it easier for Wikipedia users to access the article in question so they can verify that it really supports the claim(s) on Wikipedia for which it serves as a reference. Which edits on the hypertension page rejected by others would you like me to evaluate? As for where to discuss them, sure, you can bring them up on my talk page in more detail if that's convenient for you, that's fine. As for you being a physician, that's terrific! We need knowledgeable people like you on Wikipedia! TylerDurden8823 (talk) 17:36, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you 1) for thanking me for my edits 2) for complimenting me on being a physician. Have you heard the joke "What is the medical student who graduates last in their class called? [answer below]. 3) For changing to "renal artery stenosis": I have been reverted in the past for using "too complicated" terminology, like "moon facies". 4) For agreeing to look at some of my edits: I will present them to you on your Talk page one at a time as time permits. 5) for (attempting to) teach me ; we'll see how good a student I am. [Answer - "Doctor"]

Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 18:22, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you #6 - I see you changed "Prognosis" to "Outcomes" - that is one hundred times better than "Prognosis". I still prefer "Complications"; it's the lingo I'm used to hearing, and note that the "Main article" immediately beneath the title is "Complications of hypertension". Shouldn't they match? Will either of us be executed if we change it and it is at variance with WP:MOS?

Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 18:41, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, for the medical terminology I use wikilinks (which I abbreviate as WL in my edit summaries) to the actual name of the page but I tend to write the text as simply as possible since we're writing for a general audience and medical jargon can definitely be confusing for them so I definitely try to minimize that when possible. As for complimenting you on being a physician, you're welcome. I edit medical content because I think it's important and I certainly have respect for physicians (especially ones who are trying to improve information found on public resources like Wikipedia) to educate people. With respect to the section outcomes, I understand your position. I changed it since it made more sense to me on this particular article to say outcomes than prognosis and it seemed like a compromise and remains consistent with our policy/guideline WP:MEDMOS. It would make sense for them to match...but we need to adhere to what the MEDMOS page says. We won't be "executed", but those guidelines and policies have been around for a long time and worked on extensively so it's pretty much understood that unless there is a truly compelling reason to rebel against them, we adhere (or work on getting those policies and/or guidelines modified). If you change it to complications (especially on a good article like hypertension), it's quite probable that someone will undo your edit citing lack of compliance with that guideline/policy. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 22:18, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Executed was facetious exaggeration - I can live with "Outcomes" which as I said I believe is a hundred times better than "Prognosis".

I will be communicating with you soon on your Talk page. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 22:53, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I know you were just kidding. :) I look forward to reviewing the edits you wish to discuss. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 23:05, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Did you change your mind? TylerDurden8823 (talk) 21:50, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No - and thanks for your inquiry. I should have been more specific about what I meant by "soon". IRS took priority over WP for awhile. I will be in touch this Sunday or Monday. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 01:07, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I definitely understand. I'll watch for your message. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 21:40, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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It would be exceedingly useful if you provided references when you add new content. For example you added "Lymphomas may be cancerous (95%) or noncancerous (5%)." with no ref Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:07, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your updates, improvements and other contributions to the Myokine page. Very helpful. User:Lhuntkenora — Preceding undated comment added 18:25, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's been a pleasure to watch your work on metre. I was afraid the lead was going to become unreadable until you stepped in, I'd looked gloomily at the etymology section without seeing how to start work on it until you opened it up, and you're bringing a welcome clarity and flow to an article which had grown by accretion and dispute. NebY (talk) 12:14, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wow> You are most kind, It is always nice to be appreciated. Before I saw that I had a message (this one), I had considered messaging you to thank you for going over my edits so (apparently) meticulously - and not hesitating to jump in with your own (appropriate) editing of my work.

I am a retired professional medical editor, and reading WP articles is both frustrating and exciting, because there is seldom an article I read that I don't think I can improve (ego problem), and it is both tough not to dive in, and personally satisfying when I do.

Not knowing your interests, I will mention that I have completely rewritten the Leads to Introduction to genetics, Caffeine, Magnesium, Atom, John Dalton, Platelet, Ghrelin, and Leptin, to name a few - take a peak if you are interested in reviewing them for readability. My target reader is a high school student not planning on taking advanced placement courses who wants a plain English summary of a topic.

Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 13:22, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have to admit, I didn't watch all your edits, only enough to have confidence in how you were going about it and the way it was coming out. Perhaps you've sneaked something outrageous in at the end! But you did give me a way in to the section that had been bothering me by giving me something small I could correct first, before making more radical changes to another editor's work. I've not looked yet at those other articles - it seems you're much more focused than I am. My watchlist just keeps growing; I correct one recent problem and find the same editor's done something similarly problematic in several more articles. So it goes. My most substantial work's been on the lead, description and application parts of Orifice plate, which I tried to pitch it at the level you describe in terms of prior knowledge and comprehension skills - and as I'm sure you can tell me, that's a severe challenge to a writer's analytic abilities. Oh well, I did my best. NebY (talk) 18:33, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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It looks like you just made massive updates to the article, Potassium. Thank you for your support! However, there is a line in the section Biochemical function which reads in part, "Potassium ans sodium shifts between these compartemnts is mediated..." I am not familiar enough with the subject to fix this. Would you please take a look and make sure it is correct? Thanks! — Anita5192 (talk) 01:21, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User:Anita5192 Wow - you are a careful reader! Thanks to you! I have corrected the two spelling errors, and changed "shifts" to "movement", which corrects the plural subject and the singular verb. The sentence now reads "The movement of potassium and sodium between these compartments is mediated by the Na+/K+-ATPase pump." I plan many more changes for this Page: keep an eye on me. Isn't it amazing that an average of over a thousand people a day worldwide turn to WP to learn about potassium? We'd better get it "right, clear, and simple". Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 11:00, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Stille someone who edits the article without commenting on the definition issues ... I'm really frustrated /o\

Did you read the discussion about the concurrent definitions of the GoldBook on talkpage ? What do you think about this ? TomT0m (talk) 11:43, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am not clear what you are saying in your first paragraph, or what you are asking me in the 2nd. And to what edit of mine are you referring? Please elaborate. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 15:29, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The goldbook defines chemical elements either as types of atoms, or as chemical substances. The article currently only reflects the second definition, which is definitely not the most modern. I made an edit on chemical element to mention the two definitions, it was reverted. As I fear this will happen again, I'm trying to build a concensus before retrying. The discussions are all on the article talk page. What do you think about this issue ? I'm here because, as you're one of the most recent editors of the article, you might be interested into this discussion. TomT0m (talk) 15:38, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you fro your prompt reply. So as I understand, you have no objection to any of my edits, you are simply alerting me to the discussion about the definition? If so, thank you for the courtesy. At this point, I do not have the expertise to take part in the debate, but will certainly follow it. And please give me feedback on any of my edits that you may be frustrated with. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 15:53, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No I did not notice anything (except you edited on the introduction and that's where I did want a change :) ) . I don't really have any expertise below what I put on the different talking about this issue. What I know is that an earlier version of the article was like I want it to be and that the arguments of those who don't want the change are weak : "the definitions are the same" incorrect. "it's too complicated" => that's what the sources says. The current version does not even explain elements are the basics of our matter. That's the definition used in many other Wikipedia. I don't understand why one would want to remove one legitimate and sourced definition. It's a violation of the NPOV policy. TomT0m (talk) 16:39, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Could you give me the date and time from the "Edit history" which reflects what you want the Lead to say? I'll be glad to take a look: maybe I will have an opinion! Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 17:46, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yep,

1. I found this version (April 2009) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chemical_element&oldid=281088028 who seems perfectly fine to me in the introduction and mentions the two definitions.
2. This is the version I proposed following the discussion I started on Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry, probably imperfect but just talking was not enough to make things move so I included it after a few days when nobody reacted : https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chemical_element&oldid=666637471

3. In chemistry, chemicals elements are the basic types of components matter made of atoms, ordinary matter like molecules and other chemical compounds are made of. Elements can be defined of two different ways, but in either way the number of protons in atoms nuclei is used to define elements, called the atomic number, because two atoms with the same atomic number have the same chemical properties. Either it is
   * a type of atom with the same number of proton, 1 in the case of hydrogen,
   * a pure chemical substance consisting of a single type of atom distinguished by its atomic number^[1]
   In the first one, we will say that an atom with one proton is hydrogen, or an atom with 2 protons helium, and in the second one we will say that the content of an Hydrogen gaz bottle is hydrogen.

   This is the version I'm proposing on the article talk page for inclusion. Was dejargonized after a discussion with depiep.

I'm mostly interested here in the fundamental definitions. My personal preference would go to a version with the first definition of the goldbook as it's more modern and imho drops the substance stuff who do not serve any purpose in the rest of the article, or worse is even confusing, (and it would ease the work on Wikidata and interlanguage link, but that's not the fundamental issue :) ), but it does not seem to be the definition children learns in english speaking countries, which may be the root of the problem. I'd be happy with any version that mentions the two definitions.

-- TomT0m (talk) 08:39, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above is a thoughtful discussion which I believe belongs not only here but also on the Chemical element Talk page. I will paste it there, and will respond to your thoughts there within a couple of days. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 20:39, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi IiKkEe. Your edit of 11:32, 5 July 2015 (UTC) created a contradiction in the first paragraph of Potassium#Renal filtration, reabsorption, and excretion. You may have intended to copyedit the sentence, but your removal of "All but the" from the start of the sentence inverted its meaning. The resulting paragraph falsely implies that significantly more potassium is excreted daily than is consumed. The old wording was correct. Cheers! -- ToE 21:18, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Some of your recent edits to Animal have been reverted in whole or in part. I recently removed an edit of yours to the lead to add information about taxonomy because I believe it is out of the article's scope, and you have just added it back in greater detail. (Looking at it now, however, I think it could be included quickly in a way—with copyediting—like "Zoology is the study of animals. Over 66 thousand … exist, and they are organized into groups through the science of taxonomy.") But you also included this information (I believe unnecessarily) in the same level of detail in the Position in taxonomy section with this edit.

In an effort to avoid many further edits and reversions, escalating into edit warring (as WP:BRD is not being followed), it would be greatly appreciated if you would create drafts of sections (including the lead) in your own userspace and then either seek consensus/copyediting on Animal's talk page (probably preferable) or replace the section in whole in the article namespace to allow for other editors to easily see changes made. It looks like you are already storing information about the lead on your user page for reference.

Obviously the article can be improved, but I hope you would agree that with a such a broad topic it is easy to veer off-topic and that since it was a B-class article already, it would be easier to keep track of changes as they are made to the article instead of the article needing more in-depth reviews at a later time. It is less efficient to "thank" an editor for each small edit they make to an article and revert other edits than to just make a larger edit and follow with a quick copyedit. Additionally, a discussion on an entire section on the talk page would be clearer to those involved in editing this page than discussing each individual edit, each in its own section. Let me know what you think. – Rhinopias (talk) 23:03, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comment. I think the basal position of the Porifera and Ctenophora is now more or less settled but their branching order is not clear. My own suspicion is that Porifera are the most basal and the Ctenophora are a branch that went their own way a long time ago. That having been said we need evidence to back that up and that evidence is not available yet. Virion123 (talk) 07:42, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

hi, do you believe it is wise to have the same diagram twice[5] as it might be useful to use an alternate diagram[6]?--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 16:25, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for your edits to Nephron, they are much appreciated :)

Tom (LT) (talk) 06:03, 7 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that you are in violation of the WP:3RR (three revert rule) on Nephron. Iztwoz is not a vandal and what you have is essentially a content war. Please let's work together on the talk page to improve this article as none of us WP:OWN it. --Tom (LT) (talk) 11:39, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hey - you have become active in medical content.

Please read WP:MEDHOW - you are breaking WP:MEDMOS and the citations you are adding are not citing the pmid, which is a big pain in the butt for people in WP:MED who watch these artcles. Would you please take some time and get acquainted with the norms of editing health content? Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 20:22, 15 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Please keep the lead - especially the first few sentences, simple and focused on what is essential. See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Medicine-related_articles#Lead, as well as this discussion at FAC which stemmed from this trainwreck. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 22:24, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your edits IiKkEe, and your patients learning our wiki-ways. One more request: before you finish your spates of edits, please have a look / preview the article to prevent issues like this: [7] (go to "structure" section and you'll see what I mean). Not sure why this occured but will attempt to fix it. --Tom (LT) (talk) 10:25, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for jumping in while you were still working...seemed like you had taken a break so I tried to make one change and then got edit-conflicted. I'll step back for a bit, let us know when you're done. DMacks (talk) 13:56, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@DMacks You are a true gentleman. I note you are a major contributor to this Page, both in # of edits and bytes of content. This is my 1st day here, and I am a very aggressive (WP: "Bold") editor - so I'm glad you're keeping an eye on me. We won't hesitate to take any differences we might have to the Talk page if needed. My main interest is in organization - you see I've shuffled things around a bit ("as per WPMOS"); plus still to go is an expansion of the Lead to summarize as much of the article as possible there. Thanks for your willingness to wait until I've completed the Lead changes. It may take a couple of days of fits and starts. If you see anything glaring - jump in anytime. And you taught me something new about left-side images: I yield to you on that one, the only "rule" I knew was "everything to the right"! Regards IiKkEe (talk) 14:09, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi IiKkEe, I was surprised to see that the discovery of the ability of lungs to produce platelets was not mentioned in the article about platelets, and then I saw that you deleted a mention of this discovery with the rational "not History, and is primary research, and is animal data".

I'm not to familiar with Wikipedia's rules about reporting scientific discoveries, can you give me more details about the motivations for deleting this mention? In particular, how do you distinguish "primary research" from a result that is "Wikipedia" worthy?

Just out of curiosity. Lboukoko (talk) 13:58, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia's guidelines are covered in detail mostly in a section called "Manual of style" and are often referred to informally as "WPMOS" on Wikipedia talk pages. Wikipedia is quite explicit that only scientific information published in review articles from established journals, and textbooks, can be used as citations for referencing information in Wikipedia articles. Their rationale as I understand it is that new scientific information must be verified with follow-up research and with published consensus by experts in that field in relevant journals before being added to the Wikipedia fund of knowledge as accurate and valid.

So platelet production in lungs would need to be verified by another investigator, verified in humans, and acknowledged by experts in a peer-reviewed hematology journal review article or textbook as accurate and valid before being allowed in a Wikipedia article by those who establish Wikipedia guidelines. Verified animal data, but unverified in humans, is allowed in a separate section of an article, usually the last section, titled "Other animals".

Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 14:03, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation ! Lboukoko (talk) 15:46, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, this is a mature, very carefully edited and fully reviewed article, and your changes so far seem at best doubtful improvements. I do hope you won't find it presumptuous if I suggest that we might better discuss whatever you think to change here, as basically every word has been picked over several times already. Of course good articles can be improved further, but there'll be more chance of that if the changes are agreed first. Many thanks, Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:14, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(talk) Thank you for your reaching out, your courtesy, and your suggestion. I am very impressed with your contributions to this article since I contributed hundreds of (mostly!) uncontested edits last year. I haven't looked at this article for at least 6 months and have not reviewed each individual edit of the hundreds made since then, so if I am inadvertently changing well-discussed issues from the past, I apologize in advance.

I believe wikipedia protocol calls for initial editing without discussion, followed by discussion if there is disagreement. I welcome - and agree with - the reversions you made to several of my edits: I thought I had a good idea, but your explanation quickly convinced me otherwise. I hope you will continue to scrutinize my edits, revert those you disagree with, and if I disagree with your reversions, we can can have a collegial discussion on the talk page. And I will (eventually) review all of the individual edits since my last edit in 2017 to get totally up to speed. Regards IiKkEe (talk) 16:01, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I see, and thanks for the reply. Well, let's do that. I do believe that the article, as it now is, is robust and coherent. That means that improving it will generally mean new zoology based on recent review papers in the best journals. It's not impossible that copy-editing and suchlike will help, but given the article's state it really can't be a priority. And if there's one place not to begin tweaking, it's the lead section. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:15, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well let me take you up on your offer to discuss prior to an edit, but do it here rather than on the talk page unless we can't quickly agree on an edit and need 3rd party input. So here goes: does the 7 million alluded to in Lead para 1 refer to species or insects? I would like to clarify via an edit once I know the answer. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 17:44, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Very plainly, animals: I've said so, but I am quickly becoming convinced that we are editing to the detriment of the article. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:26, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Just an FYI that I revised the lead of the Vitamin article. David notMD (talk) 12:09, 4 September 2018 (UTC).[reply]

David notMD Thank you for your courtesy notification. I note that you have contributed 7073 characters to this article; I, 4362; so this is a collaborative effort! Overall, I like what you have done to the Lead, which improves it another notch. I may be tempted to tweak some of your tweaks: be on the lookout, and feel free to discuss. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 14:27, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have no problems with tweaks - Wikipedia is definitely a collaborative effort! I've since copied in part of a table I had created at Nutrient, and at the article's talk, raised the question of whether this still deserves its GA classification. P.S. My background is PhD from MIT in nutritional biochemistry. David notMD (talk) 14:32, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Help copy edit, improvements, add archive link for article Maureen Wroblewitz. Thanks you. 125.214.50.24 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:24, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

125.214.50.24 (talk) I have no idea why you sent this to me: I have no knowledge of this person. IiKkEe (talk) 11:29, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Chiswick Chap (talk) I will stop. I wonder why WP offers the reader the opportunity to show appreciation for an astute edit with which they agree? No patronizing from me, only gratitude! Regards IiKkEe (talk) 15:16, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Administrator changes Galobtter Orangemike BorgQueen • Davidruben • Ocee • Revolving Bugbear • Theda • There'sNoTime • Timc • Tijuana Brass • Tristessa de St Ange Bureaucrat changes Addshore

CheckUser changes Joe Roe • SilkTork Euryalus • Newyorkbrad • There'sNoTime Oversight changes AGK • Joe Roe • SilkTork Euryalus • Newyorkbrad • There'sNoTime

Guideline and policy news

• There are a number of new or changed speedy deletion criteria, each previously part of WP:CSD#G6:

1. G14 (new): Disambiguation pages that disambiguate only zero or one existing pages are now covered under the new G14 criterion (discussion). This is {{db-disambig}}; the text is unchanged and candidates may be found in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as unnecessary disambiguation pages.
2. R4 (new): Redirects in the file namespace (and no file links) that have the same name as a file or redirect at Commons are now covered under the new R4 criterion (discussion). This is {{db-redircom}}; the text is unchanged.
3. G13 (expanded): Userspace drafts containing only the default Article Wizard text are now covered under G13 along with other drafts (discussion). Such blank drafts are now eligible after six months rather than one year, and taggers continue to use {{db-blankdraft}}.

• The Wikimedia Foundation now requires all interface administrators to enable two-factor authentication.
• Members of the Bot Approvals Group (BAG) are now subject to an activity requirement. After two years without any bot-related activity (e.g. operating a bot, posting on a bot-related talk page), BAG members will be retired from BAG following a one-week notice.

Technical news

• Starting on December 13, the Wikimedia Foundation security team implemented new password policy and requirements. Privileged accounts (administrators, bureaucrats, checkusers, oversighters, interface administrators, bots, edit filter managers/helpers, template editors, et al.) must have a password at least 10 characters in length. All accounts must have a password:

1. At least 8 characters in length
2. Not in the 100,000 most popular passwords (defined by the Password Blacklist library)
3. Different from their username

User accounts not meeting these requirements will be prompted to update their password accordingly. More information is available on MediaWiki.org.

• Blocked administrators may now block the administrator that blocked them. This was done to mitigate the possibility that a compromised administrator account would block all other active administrators, complementing the removal of the ability to unblock oneself outside of self-imposed blocks. A request for comment is currently in progress to determine whether the blocking policy should be updated regarding this change.
• {{Copyvio-revdel}} now has a link to open the history with the RevDel checkboxes already filled in.

Arbitration

• Following the 2018 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: AGK, Courcelles, GorillaWarfare, Joe Roe, Mkdw, SilkTork.

Miscellaneous

• Accounts continue to be compromised on a regular basis. Evidence shows this is entirely due to the accounts having the same password that was used on another website that suffered a data breach. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately.
• Around 22% of admins have enabled two-factor authentication, up from 20% in June 2018. If you haven't already enabled it, please consider doing so. Regardless of whether you use 2FA, please practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.

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		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		I see you going article to article fixing all the grammatical mistakes and typos. So, for excellence in copyediting: the Copyedtitor’s Barnstar   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  02:23, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

because it is the correct way to define them. Serendi^podous 22:43, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@IiKkEe:: I recently tagged you on the "Cat" Talk page regarding an edit I made, and which you subsequently changed. It's under the section "Lead, para 2, sentence 4 – clarity and concision". I wonder if you'd mind taking a look and responding, please? Rgrayuk (talk) 18:01, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The 2018 Cure Award

In 2018 you were one of the top ~250 medical editors across any language of Wikipedia. Thank you from Wiki Project Med Foundation for helping bring free, complete, accurate, up-to-date health information to the public. We really appreciate you and the vital work you do! Wiki Project Med Foundation is a user group whose mission is to improve our health content. Consider joining here, there are no associated costs.

Thanks again :-) -- Doc James along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 17:41, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2019).

Administrator changes

Enterprisey • JJMC89

BorgQueen

Harro5 • Jenks24 • Graft • R. Baley

Interface administrator changes

Enterprisey

Guideline and policy news

• A request for comment is currently open to reevaluate the activity requirements for administrators.
• Administrators who are blocked have the technical ability to block the administrator who blocked their own account. A recent request for comment has amended the blocking policy to clarify that this ability should only be used in exceptional circumstances, such as account compromises, where there is a clear and immediate need.
• A request for comment closed with a consensus in favor of deprecating The Sun as a permissible reference, and creating an edit filter to warn users who attempt to cite it.

Technical news

• A discussion regarding an overhaul of the format and appearance of Wikipedia:Requests for page protection is in progress (permalink). The proposed changes will make it easier to create requests for those who are not using Twinkle. The workflow for administrators at this venue will largely be unchanged. Additionally, there are plans to archive requests similar to how it is done at WP:PERM, where historical records are kept so that prior requests can more easily be searched for.

Miscellaneous

• Voting in the 2019 Steward elections will begin on 08 February 2019, 14:00 (UTC) and end on 28 February 2019, 13:59 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
• A new IRC bot is available that allows you to subscribe to notifications when specific filters are tripped. This requires that your IRC handle be identified.

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2019).

Administrator changes Evad37 There'sNoTime Alex Shih • Brian • Mushroom • Nakon • Oscarthecat • PeruvianLlama • Ragib • Reaper Eternal • Rossami • Tom Interface administrator changes Evad37 • Galobtter Ritchie333

CheckUser changes There'sNoTime Keegan • Ks0stm Oversight changes There'sNoTime Ks0stm • Sphilbrick

Guideline and policy news

• The RfC on administrator activity requirements failed to reach consensus for any proposal.
• Following discussions at the Bureaucrats' noticeboard and Wikipedia talk:Administrators, an earlier change to the restoration of adminship policy was reverted. If requested, bureaucrats will not restore administrator permissions removed due to inactivity if there have been five years without a logged administrator action; this "five year rule" does not apply to permissions removed voluntarily.

Technical news

• A new tool is available to help determine if a given IP is an open proxy/VPN/webhost/compromised host.

Arbitration

• The Arbitration Committee announced two new OTRS queues. Both are meant solely for cases involving private information; other cases will continue to be handled at the appropriate venues (e.g., WP:COIN or WP:SPI).
  • paid-en-wpwikipedia.org has been set up to receive private evidence related to abusive paid editing.
  • checkuser-en-wpwikipedia.org has been set up to receive private requests for CheckUser. For instance, requests for IP block exemption for anonymous proxy editing should now be sent to this address instead of the functionaries-en list.

Miscellaneous

• Following the 2019 Steward Elections, the following editors have been appointed as stewards: Base, Einsbor, Jon Kolbert, Schniggendiller, and Wim b.

IiKkEe, you should rethink your approach, especially when you go about editing WP:Good or WP:Featured articles, or articles on topics you are not familiar with, and when some of those articles are controversial. See what WP:CAREFUL states. It states, "Also, changes to articles on complex, controversial subjects with long histories or active sanctions, or to Featured Articles and Good Articles, should be done with extra care. In many cases, the text as you find it has come into being after long and arduous negotiations between Wikipedians of diverse backgrounds and points of view. A careless edit to such an article might stir up a latent conflict, and other users who are involved in the page may become defensive. If you would like to make a significant edit—not just a simple copyedit—to an article on a controversial subject, it is a useful idea to first read the article in its entirety and skim the comments on the talk page. On controversial articles, the safest course is to be cautious and find consensus before making changes, but there are situations when bold edits can safely be made to contentious articles. Always use your very best editorial judgment in these cases and be sure to read the talk page."

In a number of cases, your edits are tinkering with the article in ways that are problematic. I state this because it's not unusual for them to not align with Wikipedia's rules. It's not unusual for them to change the context and/or meaning of things, and to give WP:Undue weight to things. If the lead is formatted a certain way, it is likely because of rules, including WP:Due weight, especially if it's a WP:Good or WP:Featured article. The same goes for section headings and other article layout matters. If the article is a WP:Good or WP:Featured article, what to include and not to include and how to include it has usually been discussed extensively.

I know that you are prone to WP:Edit war and maintain that an article stick with your changes, but you should sometimes just move on. I do not have patience to deal with your reverting, especially if it's to a WP:Good or WP:Featured article. And I don't want to waste time debating you on your changes. I am likely to pull other editors in and/or take the matter to WP:ANI if it needs to go there.

Also, per WP:HOUND, don't start following me to articles. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 14:35, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your kind words. I hope we continue collaborating!

Best regards. --BallenaBlanca 🐳 ♂ (Talk) 15:27, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Did! [8] --BallenaBlanca 🐳 ♂ (Talk) 08:59, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2019).

Administrator changes Reaper Eternal • ThaddeusB Bogdangiusca • Christopher Parham • Necrothesp • Schneelocke • Siroxo • Sarah Mentifisto → Lofty abyss Interface administrator changes Mr. Stradivarius

Bureaucrat changes DeltaQuad Kingturtle

Technical news

• In Special:Preferences under "Appearance" → "Advanced options", there is now an option to show a confirmation prompt when clicking on a rollback link.
• The Wikimedia Foundation's Community health initiative plans to design and build a new user reporting system to make it easier for people experiencing harassment and other forms of abuse to provide accurate information to the appropriate channel for action to be taken. Please see meta:Community health initiative/User reporting system consultation 2019 to provide your input on this idea.

Arbitration

• The Arbitration Committee clarified that the General 1RR prohibition for Palestine-Israel articles may only be enforced on pages with the {{ARBPIA 1RR editnotice}} edit notice.

Miscellaneous

• Two more administrator accounts were compromised. Evidence has shown that these attacks, like previous incidents, were due to reusing a password that was used on another website that suffered a data breach. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately. All admins are strongly encouraged to enable two-factor authentication, please consider doing so. Please always practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.
• As a reminder, according to WP:NOQUORUM, administrators looking to close or relist an AfD should evaluate a nomination that has received few or no comments as if it were a proposed deletion (PROD) prior to determining whether it should be relisted.

I'm undoing your last edit to the project page. You added your user to where the link goes, instead of at the end of that page. I hope that makes sense. Anyway, it should work just fine after a revert. I just didn't want to undo your edit without letting you know why! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prometheus720 (talk • contribs) 00:34, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What is this "over 15 is interpreted as no traumatic brain injury (TBI)"?[9]

Are you reading the sources in question? There is no such thing as a score over 15.

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2019).

Administrator changes HickoryOughtShirt?4 • RexxS Necrothesp Bratsche • Kyle Barbour • Kzollman • Madman Interface administrator changes Pharos

Bureaucrat changes Primefac CheckUser changes Reaper Eternal

Guideline and policy news

• A request for comment concluded that creating pages in the portal namespace should be restricted to autoconfirmed users.
• Following a request for comment, the subject-specific notability guideline for pornographic actors and models (WP:PORNBIO) was removed; in its place, editors should consult WP:ENT and WP:GNG.

Technical news

• XTools Admin Stats, a tool to list admins by administrative actions, has been revamped to support more types of log entries such as AbuseFilter changes. Two additional tools have been integrated into it as well: Steward Stats and Patroller Stats.

Arbitration

• In response to the continuing compromise of administrator accounts, the Arbitration Committee passed a motion amending the procedures for return of permissions (diff). In such cases, the committee will review all available information to determine whether the administrator followed "appropriate personal security practices" before restoring permissions; administrators found failing to have adequately done so will not be resysopped automatically. All current administrators have been notified of this change.
• Following a formal ratification process, the arbitration policy has been amended (diff). Specifically, the two-thirds majority required to remove or suspend an arbitrator now excludes (1) the arbitrator facing suspension or removal, and (2) any inactive arbitrator who does not respond within 30 days to attempts to solicit their feedback on the resolution through all known methods of communication.

Miscellaneous

• A request for comment is currently open to amend the community sanctions procedure to exclude non XfD or CSD deletions.
• A proposal to remove pre-2009 indefinite IP blocks is currently open for discussion.

failure is the cause, the individual is instructed to decrease intake of salt. Medications in this case may include diuretics and angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitors.[12] ....the image you deleted was an ACE inhibitor which is included in reference 12.....--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 18:36, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• [10] this is covered by reference [11]--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 15:16, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2019).

Administrator changes

Andonic • Consumed Crustacean • Enigmaman • Euryalus • EWS23 • HereToHelp • Nv8200pa • Peripitus • StringTheory11 • Vejvančický

CheckUser changes

Ivanvector

Guideline and policy news

• An RfC seeks to clarify whether WP:OUTING should include information on just the English Wikipedia or any Wikimedia project.
• An RfC on WT:RfA concluded that Requests for adminship and bureaucratship are discussions seeking to build consensus.
• An RfC proposal to make the templates for discussion (TfD) process more like the requested moves (RM) process, i.e. "as a clearinghouse of template discussions", was closed as successful.

Technical news

• The CSD feature of Twinkle now allows admins to notify page creators of deletion if the page had not been tagged. The default behavior matches that of tagging notifications, and replaces the ability to open the user talk page upon deletion. You can customize which criteria receive notifications in your Twinkle preferences: look for Notify page creator when deleting under these criteria.
• Twinkle's d-batch (batch delete) feature now supports deleting subpages (and related redirects and talk pages) of each page. The pages will be listed first but use with caution! The und-batch (batch undelete) option can now also restore talk pages.

Miscellaneous

• The previously discussed unblocking of IP addresses indefinitely-blocked before 2009 was approved and has taken place.
• The 2019 talk pages consultation produced a report for Phase 1 and has entered Phase 2.

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2019).

Administrator changes

28bytes • Ad Orientem • Ansh666 • Beeblebrox • Boing! said Zebedee • BU Rob13 • Dennis Brown • Deor • DoRD • Floquenbeam¹ • Flyguy649 • Fram² • Gadfium • GB fan • Jonathunder • Kusma • Lectonar • Moink • MSGJ • Nick • Od Mishehu • Rama • Spartaz • Syrthiss • TheDJ • WJBscribe

¹Floquenbeam's access was removed, then restored, then removed again.

²Fram's access was removed, then restored, then removed again.

Guideline and policy news

• A request for comment seeking to alleviate pressures on the request an account (ACC) process proposes either raising the account creation limit for extended confirmed editors or granting the account creator permission on request to new ACC tool users.

• In a related matter, the account throttle has been restored to six creations per day as the mitigation activity completed.

• The scope of CSD criterion G8 has been tightened such that the only redirects that it now applies to are those which target non-existent pages.
• The scope of CSD criterion G14 has been expanded slightly to include orphan "Foo (disambiguation)" redirects that target pages that are not disambiguation pages or pages that perform a disambiguation-like function (such as set index articles or lists).
• A request for comment seeks to determine whether Wikipedia:Office actions should be a policy page or an information page.

Technical news

• The Wikimedia Foundation's Community health initiative plans to design and build a new user reporting system to make it easier for people experiencing harassment and other forms of abuse to provide accurate information to the appropriate channel for action to be taken. Community feedback is invited.

Miscellaneous

• In February 2019, the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) changed its office actions policy to include temporary and project-specific bans. The WMF exercised this new ability for the first time on the English Wikipedia on 10 June 2019 to temporarily ban and desysop Fram. This action has resulted in significant community discussion, a request for arbitration (permalink), and, either directly or indirectly, the resignations of numerous administrators and functionaries. The WMF Board of Trustees is aware of the situation, and discussions continue on a statement and a way forward. The Arbitration Committee has sent an open letter to the WMF Board.

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2019).

Administrator changes Johnuniq • Kosack • Valereee Ad Orientem • Ched • Gadfium • Jonathunder • Nick • Yelyos Bald Zebra • Beetstra • Doug Bell • Journalist • Ruud Koot • Splash • Voice of Clam Interface administrator changes Dinoguy1000

CheckUser changes RickinBaltimore Oversight changes Beeblebrox RickinBaltimore

Guideline and policy news

• Following a request for comment, the page Wikipedia:Office actions has been changed from a policy page to an information page.
• A request for comment (permalink) is in progress regarding the administrator inactivity policy.

Arbitration

• Editors may now use the template {{Ds/aware}} to indicate that they are aware that discretionary sanctions are in force for a topic area, so it is unnecessary to alert them.

Miscellaneous

• Following a research project on masking IP addresses, the Foundation is starting a new project to improve the privacy of IP editors. The result of this project may significantly change administrative and counter-vandalism workflows. The project is in the very early stages of discussions and there is no concrete plan yet. Admins and the broader community are encouraged to leave feedback on the talk page.
• The new page reviewer right is bundled with the admin tool set. Many admins regularly help out at Special:NewPagesFeed, but they may not be aware of improvements, changes, and new tools for the Curation system. Stay up to date by subscribing here to the NPP newsletter that appears every two months, and/or putting the reviewers' talk page on your watchlist.

  Since the introduction of temporary user rights, it is becoming more usual to accord the New Page Reviewer right on a probationary period of 3 to 6 months in the first instance. This avoids rights removal for inactivity at a later stage and enables a review of their work before according the right on a permanent basis.

	The Writer's Barnstar
	For your work on improving Ductus arteriosus and making it more understandable. Well done! Tom (LT) (talk) 01:34, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's quite long! Archiving can be done automatically and will help only recent or active topics remain on your talk page. Cheers --Tom (LT) (talk) 01:36, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2019).

Administrator changes

Bradv • Chetsford • Izno

Floquenbeam • Lectonar

DESiegel • Jake Wartenberg • Rjanag • Topbanana

CheckUser changes

Callanecc • LFaraone • There'sNoTime

Oversight changes

Callanecc • Fox • HJ Mitchell • LFaraone • There'sNoTime

Technical news

• Editors using the mobile website on Wikipedia can opt-in to new advanced features via your settings page. This will give access to more interface links, special pages, and tools.
• The advanced version of the edit review pages (recent changes, watchlist, and related changes) now includes two new filters. These filters are for "All contents" and "All discussions". They will filter the view to just those namespaces.

Arbitration

• A request for comment is open to provide an opportunity to amend the structure, rules, and procedures of the 2019 English Wikipedia Arbitration Committee election and to resolve any issues not covered by existing rules.

Miscellaneous

• A global request for comment is in progress regarding whether a user group should be created that could modify edit filters across all public Wikimedia wikis.

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2019).

Administrator changes Barkeep49 Beetstra • KillerChihuahua • Kusma Arcadian • Extraordinary Machine • Xeno JamesBWatson → JBW Interface administrator changes Evad37

CheckUser changes Courcelles • SilkTork • Timotheus Canens Oversight changes Courcelles • SilkTork • Timotheus Canens

Guideline and policy news

• Following a discussion, a new criterion for speedy category renaming was added: C2F: One eponymous article, which applies if the category contains only an eponymous article or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories.

Technical news

• As previously noted, tighter password requirements for Administrators were put in place last year. Wikipedia should now alert you if your password is less than 10 characters long and thus too short.

Arbitration

• The 2019 CheckUser and Oversight appointment process has begun. The community consultation period will take place October 4th to 10th.
• The arbitration case regarding Fram was closed. While there will be a local RfC focus[ing] on how harassment and private complaints should be handled in the future, there is currently a global community consultation on partial and temporary office actions in response to the incident. It will be open until October 30th.

Miscellaneous

• The Community Tech team has been working on a system for temporarily watching pages, and welcomes feedback.

I first encountered you at the Blackmail article in October 2018. That resulted in this discussion. After seeing you at the Blackmail article, I knew that I would have issues with your editing going forward. Sure enough, I later saw you at the Obsessive–compulsive disorder article in March 2019. Doc James and I had issues with your editing of that article. I addressed you on that article's talk page. You didn't reply. That same day, I addressed you on your talk page. Some of the things I stated are the following: "In a number of cases, your edits are tinkering with the article in ways that are problematic. I state this because it's not unusual for them to not align with Wikipedia's rules. It's not unusual for them to change the context and/or meaning of things, and to give WP:Undue weight to things. If the lead is formatted a certain way, it is likely because of rules, including WP:Due weight, especially if it's a WP:Good or WP:Featured article. The same goes for section headings and other article layout matters. If the article is a WP:Good or WP:Featured article, what to include and not to include and how to include it has usually been discussed extensively." Just a month later, we see Doc James post the #Seriously! section on your talk page, asking, "Are you reading the sources in question?"

Indeed, at various medical articles, which Doc James usually happens to be watching, you have made unnecessary stylistic changes that often leave the text in a less accurate, simply inaccurate, and/or sloppy state. I do not say this to be antagonistic or hurtful. I say it because it's the truth. Doc has to revert you time and time again, and he shouldn't have to. Since you are editing medical articles, significant care should be taken with those articles, and your edits still often lack care. They also often deviate from the sources. We see that here at the Heart failure aritcle, here at the Osteoarthritis article, here at the Human papillomavirus infection article, here at the Subconjunctival bleeding article, and at a number of other articles. Your editing reminds me Anthony22's editing, except that his problematic stylistic changes mainly concerned biographies. He was recently "indefinitely topic banned by the community from making stylistic and grammatical changes, broadly construed, to any article on English Wikipedia." I have been considering addressing your editing at ANI and seeing what the community states. This post is sort of a heads up on that since I don't see that you will stop engaging in your particular style of editing. We can't have our medical articles compromised. Same goes for our anatomy articles. Your penchant for edit warring and wanting text your way has lessened, but it still exists. I mean, do you just decide to watchlist every article you have edited, waiting for someone to revert or otherwise change things so that you can contest the edit(s)?

I told you before, "I do not have patience to deal with your reverting, especially if it's to a WP:Good or WP:Featured article. And I don't want to waste time debating you on your changes. I am likely to pull other editors in and/or take the matter to WP:ANI if it needs to go there." I mean that. Doc James may be able to put up with your stylistic changes that make articles less accurate or inaccurate, and simply revert you where necessary, but I won't, especially since it seems you've decided to move into the areas I more normally edit. And what? Because I objected to your edits at the Oral sex article? Because I ignored your post here? Because of my previous clashes with you? Whatever the case, I don't appreciate editors trying to get my attention by moving into areas I more normally edit or following me. Maybe the community will decide that you should refrain from editing medical articles broadly construed, including anatomy and sexuality articles. I don't know, but something needs to be done. If you reply to me on any of this, I ask that you reply here on your talk page, not at mine. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:55, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Started an WP:ANI thread on your editing here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 15:43, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello IiKkEe. The discussion of your edits can be seen at:

WP:ANI#IiKkEe's stylistic changes that leave articles, especially medical articles, in an inaccurate state and/or state of disarray.

You have continued to edit articles since User:Flyer22 Reborn left you the notice of the ANI, which may suggest you are ignoring the issue. If this goes on, I suggest that admins should consider blocking your account. The problems are serious and need an answer. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 15:29, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@IiKkEe: I echo the comments above. Serious concerns have been raised in the discussion and they need a response. The only remedy available when concerns are raised and the editor is unwilling or unable to respond is a block to prevent further editing. Johnuniq (talk) 00:21, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours for Failure to discuss your edits, apparent problems with competence. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.

You have continued to edit main space without responding to the complaint at ANI, after getting the warning above. Regardless of the quality of your edits, a long-term failure to make any response to complaints about your edits is blockable. EdJohnston (talk) 18:09, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Who are you? Who do I discuss this with? I assume with an objective administrator assigned to look into the accusations, not one of my accusers. I am not familiar with this process. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 16:51, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You can discuss it with me here, if you wish. I'm an administrator, and I issued the block based on the ANI. The issues with your editing are those that were documented in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#IiKkEe's stylistic changes that leave articles, especially medical articles, in an inaccurate state and/or state of disarray. When people complain about your edits you should be willing to discuss the matter. EdJohnston (talk) 19:39, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I am certainly willing to discuss the matter. How do we proceed? And who ultimately decides if I am permanently blocked from WP? Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 20:27, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is no central command at Wikipedia. Instead, messy discussions occur and consensus is judged. The ANI discussion linked above includes comments such as "it is not clear if IiKkEe actually reads the sources in question or [simply] changes text to what they personally feel is better". That kind of problem must be addressed before continuing to edit. Please carefully read the discussion and respond to a small number of key points. I mentioned small because it is best if responses are reasonably brief and focused on important matters. If you are willing to do that and wait before further editing, please say so and an administrator will remove the block so you can post at ANI. Johnuniq (talk) 23:15, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I certainly agree to stop editing until this matter is resolved. No one asked me to stop editing when Flyer22 Reborn registered a complaint against me, so I continued to edit. It was not an act of defiance. And no deadline to respond was given to me, so I assumed I could respond once I cold get a grip on what an ANI is, which I had never heard of. Now I know that EdJohnston is an administrator, and has reached out and offered to discuss this matter with me, and who has temporarily blocked my ability to edit. I asked him two questions, and he has not yet responded. May I ask what your role in this matter is, Johnuniq? Are you also an administrator? Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 07:57, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I am an administrator. An easy check is to look at a user's contributions and click "User rights" at the bottom of that page. Bear in mind that who is and who is not an administrator is not important when it comes to assessing opinions at ANI—see the "consensus" link I gave earlier. Your questions were answered by me so EdJohnston may not have felt a need to elaborate. The block is due to expire in 10 hours and I hope EdJohnston (who is not currently active) will not mind if I unblock you now without the customary consultation first. Please re-read my above advice about responding to the issues at ANI. You might also review WP:INDENT. Johnuniq (talk) 08:25, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Now that you know that I have agreed to stop editing articles until the allegations against me can be addressed, is there a deadline for my response? I would prefer to take a few days to fully understand how this process normally plays out before I respond. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 16:59, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A few days is excessive because ANI is a high-turnover noticeboard and things have to move forward. You were notified at 15:43, 25 October 2019 and a warning with a mention of a block was posted above at 15:29, 26 October 2019. However, there is no need for an immediate response as everything is flexible here. Please be aware that a resumption of editing before the ANI discussion is closed may well lead to an indefinite block. Johnuniq (talk) 22:25, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

EdJohnston (talk) Thank you for allowing me some time to consider my reply. I have completed a draft of my response and will post the final version here within 24 hours. In the meantime, I will continue not to edit. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 16:51, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK, but as mentioned, before posting please re-read my above advice about responding to the issues at ANI. Johnuniq (talk) 23:01, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

IiKkEe, I have closed the ANI discussion involving you. There is consensus that your editing is problematic and has harmed article quality - specifically, stylistic changes resulting in inaccuracies. To remedy this, there is also consensus that your self-proposed restrictions (1), (2), (3), (4) should be implemented. You are cautioned to adhere to these guidelines and not to waste this second chance per WP:ROPE as further problematic editing will likely result in harsher sanctions being implemented. I will paste your restrictions below. starship.paint (talk) 15:24, 22 November 2019 (UTC) [reply]

1) I will not edit any article that Flyer22 Reborn has edited.

2) I will place a notice on the Talk page of any article I plan to edit, which will include which one paragraph or section I plan to edit, and will invite scrutiny of my edits. I will also notify any major active contributor(s) at that site.

3) I will accept any reversions of my edits and discuss them on the Talk page if I have questions.

4) I will make no more than 10 edits per day to any Article.

IiKkEe (talk) 15:11, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

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Hi IiKkEe, it's great to have another active editor in the anatomy space. I note that you've just had a dispute above and been blocked recently and would like to flag some things with you in regard to Thyroid, after noting an extensive amount of stylistic edits [12]. I think some improve the article, but the majority at best rearrange content, and at most make things more difficult to read.

I have brought to good article status am so am interested in its overall quality. Because it is a good article I am paying more attention to the edits because it has already passed through peer review and I'd like to maintain it at this standard. Happy to discuss with you my own thoughts but I'd ask you to please consider some key points:

1. Not every paragraph needs a wikipedia heading. Wikipedia is written discursively which means in paragraph format, and most of your edits relate to moving content around to fit new headings to arbitarily divide or organise content, if most headings are just going to result in a single paragraph of text (or two after you've split a paragraph). Major things and major subsections get headings; if it's not that important, it shouldn't get one.
2. Please acquaint yourself with WP:MEDMOS#Anatomy, which is a guideline about how anatomy articles are arranged and something that is in general followed.
3. I note that you have a tendency to listify content, which I feel makes things more difficult to read. I also feel it tends to convert encyclopedic articles into articles that function more as catalogues. I have made a comment about listifying Thyroid#Clinical significance and posted it on the thyroid talk page.

I feel your edits clearly show your desire to improve the article for readers which is great and I hope we can work together on other anatomy articles too, so please treat my above comments not as an overall comment but just on one or two aspects of your editing :).--Tom (LT) (talk) 07:08, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I saw recently that you had volunteered to restrict your edits to 10 per article per day, and wondered if this limitation is still supposed to be in place since your more that 20 edits to Vitamin B12 deficiency so far today. Best --Iztwoz (talk) 11:23, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the reminder. It is a permanent self-imposed restriction in order to give co-editors such as yourself a chance to review my edits and revert or modify them before I get too far along. When I get zoned in on revising an article, I can forget to keep count.

I will try harder to stop at 10 per day. It is gratifying to see that you are reviewing all of my edits, leaving most unaltered, further improving some, and adding your own. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 13:46, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am not reviewing all of your edits I gave that up on the Nephron page. A lot of your edits are left – they are mostly stylistic minor edits as Tom pointed out re your thyroid edits. The real issue here is the reasoning for the persistence in these myriad of edits that make little overall difference. There are countless stubs and C class articles that are in real need of attention. Your time and energy would be well spent on some of these. The discourse that has taken place between you and other editors is evident of the disruptiveness of a lot of your editing. I also recall from a posting of your's to a previous editor Figgep, that you were laying great store by the number of edits that it was possible to make to a page thereby making someone the top contributor.--Iztwoz (talk) 14:46, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: I was going to bring this up today. You need to stick to the conditions of your topic ban editing restrictions. As was made clear at ANI, it's not just that your stylistic changes are changes that don't harm articles; it's that a lot of your stylistic changes do harm articles. Otherwise, editors would not be as concerned. You made more than 10 edits on December 10, 2019 at the Thyroid article. You made more than 10 edits on December 11, 2019 at the Congenital hypothyroidism article. You made more than 10 edits on December 13, 2019 at the Vitamin B12 deficiency article. You made more than 10 edits on December 13, 2019 at the Thrombocythemia article. You made more than 10 edits on December 18, 2019 at the the Vitamin B12 deficiency article. As seen here, with your "mild elevation" edit, you are still using your preferred terminology. But what do the sources state? How accurate is "mild elevation"? Here, Doc James reverted your addition as "unreffed." And Doc James is still reverting or tweaking your edits due to issues. Pinging EdJohnston and Johnuniq for their thoughts. Doc, you might also want to weigh in here as well. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:04, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:IiKkEe, it seems you are unable to follow your self-imposed restrictions. Can you explain why I shouldn't proceed with an indefinite block? EdJohnston (talk) 19:10, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi IiKkEe, I hope that you are having a wonderful festive period. I've been thinking recently about your edits to Thyroid. It's clear you have a lot of energy to improve the encyclopedia. However most of that energy is wasted because it is expended editing articles that are already "Good", and having reviewed your edits for the most part it is unclear if they improve things or not. That's because most of your edits are stylistic.

I want to make an offer to you, which is that we edit an anatomy article together with the goal of getting it to good article status. Making content edits seems like a natural progression from the type of edits you're making. What's more (and this is what really keeps me here) is that it is very satisfying to be contributing content, you learn a lot editing content, and (unlike stylistic edits) content based edits tend to be lasting.

I would also like to try my hand at mentoring you whilst we go about this. If you look at my user page, you can see that I have good articles + reviews under my belt. I would really like to help you learn the ropes content editing - wise, as I think I'll have some tips that might demistify, improve the quality of, and improve the speed of content editing, as well as direct you to some good sources you can use. I think this would improve the quality of your editing and hopefully would also shift some of the direction most of your feedback is in.

If you're interested, I think it would be good if we started on a fairly straightforward anatomical structure such as a nerve, artery or muscle that is not too complex. I scrolled through the list of 500 most popular anatomical articles and examples might be:

• Clavicle
• Sternum
• Femoral artery
• Tibia
• Gluteus maximus
• Ulnar nerve

Believe it or not, each article above gets between 250,000 and 500,000 annual views.

I hope you take up this offer and look forward to hearing from you. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:55, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tom (LT), I know that you want more anatomy editors, but I think that your efforts will be wasted on IiKkEe. He doesn't just edit anatomy articles. And his edits have been problematic at different types of articles. He's still going to use his preferred wording that is likely inaccurate and add unsourced material. But since you intend to go through with this, I suggest you remind him to keep his editing restriction in mind. He's surely had his last warning above. No need to ping me if you reply. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:57, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tom (LT)Sorry to take 3 months to reply, I have been away from WP most of that time. I would *love* to collaborate! How about we start out with my picking 1 of the 6 topics you suggested, and I'll do 5 edits. I will not proceed beyond 5 until you have reviewed my work. If all is 100% OK in your view, "Thank" me for #5, and I'll do another 5, etc... If you don't like something I have done, either revert or take me to the Talk page. Regards, IiKkEe (talk) 18:09, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you have been editing other types of articles. Still, it's the same type of editing. I haven't checked for any errors. But even at those articles, you struggle with limiting yourself to ten edits per day. And this is even after statements in the #Self-imposed edit limits section above, including the warning from EdJohnston. So exactly how is mentorship supposed to help when you can't even fully abide by something such as "I will make no more than 10 edits per day to any Article."? And with you now editing BLP articles, the concern regarding your editing is sure to increase; Wikipedia takes BLP articles even more seriously than medical articles. See WP:BLP. I don't know if I should address this at ANI or what. It seems that you are going about your self-imposed restrictions as though they are optional. They aren't. They were put in place as an alternative to topic banning or indefinitely blocking you. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 04:57, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@IiKkEe sounds good! Let me know which one and we can go from there. I'll start earmarking my books at home :). @Flyer22 Frozen I'm happy to work with IiKkEe and see how things go. --Tom (LT) (talk) 05:16, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tom (LT), and I am still concerned about him not fully abiding by his editing restrictions. The warning at the end of the #ANI section and warning from EdJohnston in the #Self-imposed edit limits section above are clear. The editing restrictions are not optional. If he continues to fail to fully abide by them, I will take the matter to ANI. You can work with him within the restrictions. Also keep in mind that, like I stated above, this editor does not only edit anatomy articles. So I'm not sure if your mentorship will only focus on anatomy or fall within editing in general. But his edits have been problematic at different types of articles, especially medical articles. I can see how things go, but I stand by my above "01:57, 27 December 2019 (UTC)" post. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 05:28, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I see your point. I don't mean this collaboration to be any form of shield or excuse and I certainly don't mean to take any responsibility with respect to this editor's editing - that should be held by IikKEe alone. That said I do look forward to working with a potential collaborator and will try and be clear with my feedback --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:42, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to see it has come to an indef block. Have moved gluteus maximus back to mainspace. Ping me if you are unblocked in the future and would like to collaborate. Cheers --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:59, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yesterday, on 5 April 2020 Recently User:IiKkEe made 24 edits at Dorothy Hodgkin. This exceeds the ten edits that they agreed upon in their their restriction. Since they are not keeping up their end of the bargain, I intend to go ahead with an indefinite block of their account. Restrictions have value only for those who understand them and are willing to follow them. EdJohnston (talk) 14:46, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]