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Proposed Merge

I propose that Piccolo be merged with List of characters in Dragon Ball. The article has no character reception or and more than 90% of the character is written in universe. Much text about the character within the plot which can be say much easier and faster at Dragon Ball series article SSJ 5 (talk) 01:10, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hate to say it but I think you're only doing this because the Yamcha page (which you worked hard on) was merged. Sorry but WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is really an illegitimate argument. If all Piccolo needs is reception data and some trimming, then a merger is not appropriate at this time. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:35, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm agreeing with Sesshomaru here; Piccolo is in good enough shape to stand on it's own. It needs a good clean up, but what article doesn't? Reception info is hard to get, Trunks (Dragon Ball) is missing it too, but it's enough to condemn the article for.--Koji† 16:39, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think I made some good arguments. You can accept them or reject them. Arguments have nothing to do with Yamcha article, although that was the reason for the nomination (it is legit anywayz, because the page is not satisfying). The article is in terrible shape, and cleanup was requested (by me, on DB project) a few months ago, but no one responded. Thus, I think that the article would be a good candidate for a merge. If anyone can find verifiable reception info, please do so. SSJ 5 (talk) 17:15, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Started working in the reception from the article.Tintor2 (talk) 21:51, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Much better. SSJ 5 (talk) 03:29, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Piccolo Jr.

I think he should be called Piccolo Jr. forever. Piccolo Jr. is not his full name. He doesn't have a last name. He never had a last name. He's just Piccolo Jr. the fifth and final nephew of Kami, the fifth and final son of King Piccolo, and the fourth and final brother of Cymbal, Drum, Piano, and Tambourine. He's not King Piccolo reincarnated, because first, he can't have his own child be his reincarnation. That's stupid. Cymbal, Drum, Piano, and Tambourine would then call him dad and father, which he's not. And second, reincarnations always have their past self's same facial structure, stature, and voice. Piccolo Jr. doesn't. Kami and his evil twin brother King Piccolo were voiced by Takeshi Aono in the Japanese Dub, while Toshio Furukawa voices Piccolo Jr. in the Japanese Dub. And it's the Namekian as one of Piccolo Jr.'s nicknames. You can only say Namek for the name of the planets Namek and New Namek. And you can only say Namekian for Powered-Up Namekian that Lord Slug and Piccolo Jr. are, because they're very strong, the name of the form that looks like a Super Saiyan, but with purple aura and purple eyes, as in purple pupils known as Super Namekian that I made up in my "Dragon Ball" series reboot of Piccolo Jr. being the main hero, who has Goku's goofy, happy pure-hearted personality in my story and drawings of Piccolo Jr. as a Super Namekian, the name of the language known as Namekian language, the name of the people of the planet known as Namekians, the nickname "The Namekian" Piccolo Jr. calls himself to hide his true identity after fusing with his uncle Kami, and the Potara item from the "Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi" series known as Namekian Power. Eh, Eh. Weighted Namekian shoes he wears. Not brown light-weight footwear or shoes. Weighted Namekian shoes. They're weighted. Weighted Namekian shoes that he never wants to take off. He’s keeping it a secret that they’re not weighted and never wants to take them off during a fight and have his bare feet shown, because it would embarrass him if he took them off. So please, change his biography back to way it was I had written it? --71.239.23.70 (talk) 13:51, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree You're joking right? This is sad. First off, we only add official information within the Dragon Ball universe. This is wikipedia after all. For instance, Piccolo was the reincarnation of King Piccolo. You know why? Because Akira Toriyama made him so. It doesn't matter who voiced him. Whether it be anime or manga, that fact remains the same. No one cares about your fanfic. Like I stated before, this is wikipedia. What only matters is what's official and your "story ideas" have no place here. --Ryu (Talk | Contributions) 14:16, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He's not King Piccolo reincarnated. It's not fanfic. It's real. His name's Piccolo Jr. It will always be Piccolo Jr. forever. He's just Piccolo Jr. the fifth and final nephew of Kami, the fifth and final son of King Piccolo, and the fourth and final brother of Cymbal, Drum, Piano, and Tambourine. He's not King Piccolo reincarnated, because first, he can't have his own child be his reincarnation. That's stupid. Cymbal, Drum, Piano, and Tambourine would then call him dad and father, which he's not. And second, reincarnations always have their past self's same facial structure, stature, and voice. Stop calling him that I don't mean to say this "fucking" fake name. His name's Piccolo Jr. It will always be Piccolo Jr. forever. That's his real and right name. Please, call him Piccolo Jr.? It would make me happy if you call him Piccolo Jr. Reincarnations are always portrayed by the same actor and actress who portrayed their past selves. Reincarnations always have their past self's same facial structure, stature, and voice. Kami and his evil twin brother King Piccolo were voiced by Takeshi Aono in the Japanese Dub, while Toshio Furukawa voices Piccolo Jr. in the Japanese Dub. --71.239.23.70 (talk) 15:18, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Piccolo Jr. was only used as the name for a Saga in Dragon Ball. He is never called Piccolo Jr. anywhere else. According to WP:Naming Convention, we have to use the most common name. I said fanfic because you said "in my story and drawings of Piccolo Jr.". Your story and drawing don't matter here. You also claim that it's real, when in reality, it's nothing more than a manga and anime. It appears you'd have to watch/read it to get that he is King Piccolo's reincarnation. When he merged with Kami, he became the Nameless Namek again, without the evil that was there before. This articles name stays the same. --Ryu (Talk | Contributions) 15:30, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am not calling him that. --Ryu (Talk | Contributions) 15:34, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He's not King Piccolo reincarnated. His name's Piccolo Jr. Piccolo Jr. is not a nickname. It's his real name. And stop saying Namek. it's the Namekian as one of Piccolo Jr.'s nicknames. You can only say Namek for the name of the planets Namek and New Namek. And you can only say Namekian for Powered-Up Namekian that Lord Slug and Piccolo Jr. are, because they're very strong, the name of the language known as Namekian language, the name of the people of the planet known as Namekians, the nickname "The Namekian" Piccolo Jr. calls himself to hide his true identity after fusing with his uncle Kami, and the Potara item from the "Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi" series known as Namekian Power. And there's no such thing as a nameless Namekian. That's Kami. His name was always Kami. Kami was always named Kami when he was born. He's just Piccolo Jr. the fifth and final nephew of Kami, the fifth and final son of King Piccolo, and the fourth and final brother of Cymbal, Drum, Piano, and Tambourine. --71.239.23.70 (talk) 15:37, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Akira Toriyama stated in his manga that they were. Enough said. --Ryu (Talk | Contributions) 15:44, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, they're not. Look at him. He doesn't look like King Piccolo. He doesn't have the cheek bones and pointy nose. He's not even tall. Reincarnations always have their past self's same facial structure, stature, and voice. --71.239.23.70 (talk) 15:49, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know who Akira Toriyama is? He's the guy who created the series. In other words, the God of the Dragon Ball universe (I use the term both metaphorically and loosely). This means that his word goes. It's his story after all. Not yours, not mine, his. That means what happens in his story happens. This argument is rediculous if I have to spell it out for you. It's his story and he made Piccolo, King Piccolo's reincarnation. Deal with it. --Ryu (Talk | Contributions) 15:53, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I know who Akira Toriyama is. I'm not gonna deal with it. He's not King Piccolo reincarnated. He doesn't have the cheek bones and pointy nose. He's not even tall. Reincarnations always have their past self's same facial structure, stature, and voice. Stop calling him that fake name. It's Piccolo Jr. That's it. He's just Piccolo Jr. the fifth and final nephew of Kami, the fifth and final son of King Piccolo, and the fourth and final brother of Cymbal, Drum, Piano, and Tambourine. --71.239.23.70 (talk) 16:03, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So I guess Akira Toriyama's story isn't that important to you. Piccolo, PICcolo, PICCOLO. --Ryu (Talk | Contributions) 16:52, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, I still like the "Dragon Ball" series. Just stop calling him that fake name. It's Piccolo Jr. He's just Piccolo Jr. the fifth and final nephew of Kami, the fifth and final son of King Piccolo, and the fourth and final brother of Cymbal, Drum, Piano, and Tambourine. Kami is his uncle. King Piccolo is his father. And Cymbal, Drum, Piano, and Tambourine are his brothers. --71.239.23.70 (talk) 17:27, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The character was always refereed to as Piccolo through the entire series, so that's the name of the character. We are in no position to change the name of the character from that used by the series creator. No amount of fanboy screaming is going to change that. And to correct the IP, Piccolo is neither Kami's nephew or brother. He is the embodiment of Kami's "evil" side which was separated from the main body when Kami took over as the guardian of Earth. This is why when Piccolo died, Kami died as well. —Farix (t | c) 19:42, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, his name's Piccolo Jr. King Piccolo is Kami's evil twin brother and Piccolo Jr. is Kami's fifth and final nephew. Piccolo Jr. was never inside Kami along time ago. His father King Piccolo was, but King Piccolo is still Kami's evil twin brother. Piccolo Jr. just gets the link connection put into him by his father King Piccolo before he dies. So now if Kami or his nephew Piccolo Jr. die, the other one will die as well. Piccolo Jr. Piccolo Jr. Capital P, i, c, c, o, l, o, space, capital J, r, period. The characters from the "Dragon Ball" series have to call him Piccolo Jr., because they know he's King Piccolo's fifth and final son. He's being called Piccolo Jr. forever and you'll like it. --71.239.23.70 (talk) 20:43, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. With comments like that, it's abundantly clear that you are not here to improve Wikipedia, but to harass other editors. —Farix (t | c) 20:57, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not harassing other editors. Favonian told me to control my temper and I promised him. So please, change Piccolo Jr.'s biography back to the way it was I had written it? Please? --71.239.23.70 (talk) 21:01, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely not as that will be adding a deliberate error into the article. —Farix (t | c) 21:07, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's not an error. I've had enough with him being called that fucking fake name Piccolo. It's Piccolo Jr. Please, it would make me happy if he's called Piccolo Jr. forever? --71.239.23.70 (talk) 21:11, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's not up to you to decided what his name is. Akira Toriyama, who created and wrote the Dragon Ball series, gave him the name "Piccolo," so that is the character's name. —Farix (t | c) 21:18, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stop calling him that fucking fake name. --71.239.23.70 (talk) 21:21, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Piccolo. Seriously, you really need to get over yourself. You can't change the original work to suit your selfish whims. —Farix (t | c) 21:22, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Never. And I'm not selfish. I'm a good person. I want him to be called Piccolo Jr. forever. It's not fair. --71.239.23.70 (talk) 21:25, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since you are the one wishing to call the character by a name that is not used in the series, then it is selfish. You want to change the work to suit your own viewpoint. That simply is not allowed, or is it fair to those seeking accurate information about the character has his role in the series. —Farix (t | c) 21:28, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But his name's Piccolo Jr. I'm not selfish. --71.239.23.70 (talk) 21:30, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose since "Piccolo Jr." just isn't the character's name. This is different than "Garlic" and his son "Garlic Jr.", because those were two different guys. Piccolo is his common name; he is still the demon king but reincarnated. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:58, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Piccolo Jr.'s not his father King Piccolo reincarnated for the last time. Look at him. He doesn't look like King Piccolo. He doesn't have the cheek bones and pointy nose. He's not even tall. He's not King Piccolo reincarnated, because first, he can't have his own child be his reincarnation. That's stupid. Cymbal, Drum, Piano, and Tambourine would then call him dad and father, which he's not. Second, reincarnations always have their past self's same facial structure, stature, and voice. Piccolo Jr. doesn't. And third, reincarnations are always portrayed by the same actor and actress who portrayed their past selves. Kami and his evil twin brother King Piccolo were voiced by Takeshi Aono in the Japanese Dub, while Toshio Furukawa voices Piccolo Jr. in the Japanese Dub. He's the fifth and final nephew of Kami, the fifth and final son of King Piccolo, and the fourth and final brother of Cymbal, Drum, Piano, and Tambourine. Kami is his uncle. King Piccolo is his father. And Cymbal, Drum, Piano, and Tambourine are his brothers. King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr. are two different characters. --75.22.138.39 (talk) 00:20, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Which is entirely irrelevant to what the creator states, either in interviews or in the work itself. —Farix (t | c) 00:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's not irrelevant. --75.22.138.39 (talk) 00:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes if is. To be fair, he's both in a sense, though we more know him as King Piccolo's reincarnation. Before King Piccolo died, he spit out an egg, reincarnating himself. That egg was Piccolo. He did it so Piccolo could continue his goals of world domination. Not to mention Piccolo has all the memories of being King Piccolo (not sure about the English version but he does in that Japanese). Not to mention, in the Japanese version of Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball, early on, he refers to himself as King Piccolo (one scene I remember from the top of my head is when he saves Gohan. He says something along the lines of "I can't believe I, the great Piccolo Daimao, would risk his life for a kid. I'm growing soft.") In the series, both English and Japanese, they never refer to him as Piccolo Jr. The only mention of him being Piccolo Jr. is FUNimations saga title, the "Piccolo Jr. Saga". At the end of Dragon Ball, FUNimation calls him Junior for some reason. During the World Tournament Saga in Dragon Ball Z, they refer to him as "Ma Junior", which is in fact correct. During Dragon Ball, King Piccolo had no idea he was a Namekian, so he though he was a demon, hence the name Demon King Piccolo. Piccolo, being his reincarnation also thought that, so he during both tournaments in Dragon Ball (Japanese Version) and Dragon Ball Z, he uses Ma Junior which translate to Demon Junior. This was a referance to he being a "demon" and being the son/reincarnation of King Piccolo. Do you finally get it. --Ryu (Talk | Contributions) 14:54, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I remember that in a TV special only shown in Japan where characters made questions to viewers, they went to the past to the first fight against Piccolo, and Gohan asked "Why was Mr. Piccolo this bad?" and the others replied he would actually become good.Tintor2 (talk) 15:02, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, he's not King Piccolo reincarnated. What did I tell you? It's Piccolo Jr. Piccolo Jr. is not his full name or nickname. He doesn't have a last name. He never had a last name. The only nicknames he has are Ma Junior and the Namekian. God dammit. Listen to this again on this sentence in bold about reincarnations. He's not King Piccolo reincarnated, because first, he can't have his own child be his reincarnation. That's stupid. Cymbal, Drum, Piano, and Tambourine would then call him dad and father, which he's not. Second, reincarnations always have their past self's same facial structure, stature, and voice. Piccolo Jr. doesn't. And third, reincarnations are always portrayed by the same actor and actress who portrayed their past selves. Reincarnations are always described to be like that and are always like that. Kami and his evil twin brother King Piccolo were voiced by Takeshi Aono in the Japanese Dub, while Toshio Furukawa voices Piccolo Jr. in the Japanese Dub. Now do you get it. He never refers to himself as King Piccolo, because he's not him. He's a different person. He always says my dad and my father and that's it. Piccolo Jr.'s the fifth and final nephew of Kami, the fifth and final son of King Piccolo, and the fourth and final brother of Cymbal, Drum, Piano, and Tambourine. Kami is his uncle. King Piccolo is his father. And Cymbal, Drum, Piano, and Tambourine are his brothers. King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr. are two different characters. Enough of this now and leave me alone on this. --71.239.23.70 (talk) 15:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're an idiot. I know me saying that goes against being civil but we explained it to you like 20 times. Me, as well as several others. It's startiing to get annoying. You're just an idiot fanfic writing fanboy who believes their selfish desires are canon when they're not. I will not leave this alone. You should leave this alone. No one's word is above Akira Toriyama's. No ones. And you still insist on your stupidness. You're beyond help. And I agree with Farix that you're only here to harass us. We gave you proof. You're "proof" is irrelevant. In other words, no one cares. Cheek bones, different voice actor... No one cares. You know why? Because it has nothing to do with the story or the character. He has never refered to King Piccolo as his father. The only person who did was Goku in the English dub and that was only once. You can keep saying your gay "Call him Piccolo Jr. forever" line, but in the end, we're not changing it. If you do change it, it will be considered vandalism. And you WILL be block. Your IP anyways. --Ryu (Talk | Contributions) 15:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But that's what reincarnations are always like. They appear the same way as their past selves were. Same facial structure, stature, and voice. King Piccolo even says this line before he dies. "Good luck my son. Get revenge on my demise. Destroy all of my enemies." I'm not an idiot, gay, selfish, and stupid. I'm not harassing you guys. I'm a good person. I want him to be called Piccolo Jr. I want him to be called Piccolo Jr. I want him to be called Piccolo Jr. I WANT HIM TO BE CALLED PICCOLO JR.!!!! crying Waahhh! WAHH!! --71.239.23.70 (talk) 16:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No one cares what you want. --Ryu (Talk | Contributions) 18:48, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fictional Demons

Since piccolo was never technically a demon (he was only believed to be one) does he really belong in the Fictional Demons category? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.134.68.102 (talk) 19:57, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article relates his origin to that nature. Toriyama even said he initially made him a demon. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 08:02, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

yes but he didn't turn out to be a demon Goku isn't listed under a fictional humans category even though he was first thought to be human —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.134.68.102 (talk) 04:13, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can see where you're going with this, and I'm telling you that he can be classified as such. Do keep in mind that we're dealing with a fictional character here, not an actual person. And must I point out again that we have references citing this concept? Go ahead and categorize Goku as a fictional human (given there's a reliable citation for that). There's no point in talking about this anymore. Folks browsing through a category may expect to come across articles which support the inclusion of that category. Finally, it should be noted that Piccolo and Vegeta are categorized as fictional supervillains because they have become distinctive with these roles (and just because Vegeta is no longer a fictional mercenary doesn't mean we avoid categorization either). Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:52, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vegeta is classified as a villain because he WAS a villain Piccolo was NEVER a demon and listing him under that category makes no sense. Most people browsing that category are not looking for characters once thought to be demons. If you can find enough characters in fiction that were once thought to be demons I suggest you create such a category. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.134.84.84 (talk) 03:05, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever, please cite a reliable citation supporting your "findings". I'm through with this, however, I'd think twice about taking measures into your own hands if I were you... Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:27, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Sesshomaru, the burden of proof is up to you. The anon is correct in that Piccolo is not a demon, and nothing in the article mentions Toriyama's intentions. The only "references" you have for the demon origins is the manga itself, which is in-universe and later contradicts intself. Ω phois 04:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And judging by a recent attempt to remove it that you reverted, and this anon's argument, it appears that the current consensus is to remove it. Ω phois 04:38, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure exactly what Wikipedia's policies are regarding these things, but I think that Piccolo could be considered a fictional demon for two reasons: one is that he is introduced as such; the second is that at least the senior Piccolo was a member of the Makyo, a clan of demons. This may not be explicitly dealt with in the manga, but it is dealt with in the anime, in the Garlic, Jr. story arc, though that may not be seen as canon anymore. To what extent extent this makes this incarnation of Piccolo a 'fictional demon' is up for debate, but I think that a case exists, and the issue should not be shrugged off simply because he is later revealed to be a Namekian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.96.148.51 (talk) 16:18, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gender

A while ago I stated in the infobox that Piccolo was male, but three of my edits were undone and the editor who undid my edits said "Namekians don't have genders unless it was retconned". There are three reasons why I added Piccolo's gender:

Piccolo is often referred to as "he" inbetween sentences.
Piccolo has always been voiced by a male in the anime (Toshio Furukawa and Christopher Sabat).
If i'm correct, there are no female Namekians, which means they are all male. DBZFan30 (talk) 15:29, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Difference between gender and biological sex

I know this is a controversial topic but the infobox should either list Piccolo's gender as male or simply remove that heading to prevent confusion. It's true that Namekians have no biological sex but gender is different to sex as it's more of a social concept and Piccolo clearly identifies himself with male traits and is referred to with male pronouns by himself and others, which means his gender should technically be listed as male. DekuHero (talk) 16:58, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Move?

The character's full name is Piccolo Daimaoh Jr. at least what I remember considering how he is introduced. It will allow us to get rid of the ambiguation which is often recommended by the manual of style. What do you think? Tintor2 (talk) 22:15, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that Piccolo Daimaoh Jr. isn’t the character’s common name either. In fact, I can’t really think of any secondary sources that specifically spell out his full title since his introduction, Toriyama and co. themselves rarely use the shortened Piccolo Jr. even, so it’s a really obscure name compared to say, Son Gohan or Son Goku. I guess it’s unfortunate that compared to other DB characters, the character’s name is a pedestrian word like Trunks (Dragon Ball) or Cell (Dragon Ball), but it is what it is. Haleth (talk) 11:01, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see. In the movie he is fully called Piccolo Daimaoh but Piccolo answers he is now just Piccolo.Tintor2 (talk) 14:31, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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