Talk:MV Lyubov Orlova

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Some of the language in this article make it seem like it should have a current events tag on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.21.252.240 (talk) 23:49, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The article gives a sense that the ship became a threat to the Irish coast when it was 2,400 km "off Ireland". However, 2,400 km "off Ireland" is also known as 600 km "off Canada". It seems, from reading the sources, that the Irish coast guard was concerned about the path of the lost ship until the US NGIS reported it was 2,400 km "off Ireland", thereby confirming that it was no threat. Perhaps the article can be amended to give a better sense that the ship never got far from Canada before it sank. There is no report in any source that states that the signal from the beacon was received in Ireland. The emergency beacon was detected by the Joint Rescue Coordination Centre in Halifax (Canada) on February 23 and only reported in the Irish media a week later (according to the linked article in The Weekend Telegram). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.18.128 (talk) 18:07, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The claim that this ship is inhabited by "inbred cannibal rats" appears to be conjecture from the The Sun the British tabloid and offers no substantive claims to it's legitimacy. Drumz0rz (talk) 22:41, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know about rats, but there's a feeding frenzy amongst editors. The whole section based on The Sun story is unencyclopedic, just wild speculation without any substance or credibility whatsoever. The Sun is in any case not RS, The Telegraph article is openly about The Sun, and the other source is clear plagiarism from the previous. I propose to delete the para completely. Davidships (talk) 01:40, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

However, Inbred Cannibal Rats would be a good name for a punk band. Herostratus (talk) 04:21, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Right. I can hear the ghost of Malcolm McLaren from here screaming "why didn't I think of that?" Britmax (talk) 10:50, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"In January 2014, it was believed that the vessel was about to crash onto the British coast" appears to be pure conjecture on the part of the media who have reported it AOL news, as there's no definitive proof that the vessel is afloat at all. In fact if the risk were as great as reported would the vessel not be encroaching on shipping lanes and therefore have been spotted well before now? I'm not sure conjecture on the part of media should be included in the article. --Theberengesniper (talk) 11:32, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The stories of the "ghost ship filled with cannibal rats" are completely unfounded. There has not been a sighting of the ship in over 8 months has a higher chance of being on the ocean floor than anything else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.100.40.60 (talk) 16:41, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

See Cannibal Rats above. Davidships (talk) 01:40, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If there should be any serious risk of the ship (and its spurious cargo of rats) stranding in the UK or Ireland, it'd be a relatively easy job to get the vessel torched and sunk while still a hundred miles out at sea. Fire bombs dropped from helicopters and/or grenades could be used. Even if the rats story had any speck of truth to it the scare is just tabloid fodder. 83.254.151.33 (talk) 02:49, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How would it be possible for a ship with no functioning pumps and no ability to maneuver with regard to waves and storms to stay afloat for a whole year? (Not even considering the EIRB signals and likihood of being either spotted or run aground in this time.) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary refs, so I'd want very solid refs before stating even that it might be afloat yet. Herostratus (talk) 18:52, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The ship was designed to survive antartic voyages with icebergs. If any ship could survive a year that would be the one.

Removed tabloid-based speculative nonsense; as well as the recently added Update tag.Davidships (talk) 00:28, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This viral rumour has become part of the story of the ship; I have accordingly readded it in a different, factual manner, with the BBC and Smithsonian as sources. I did not add the Where is Lyobov Orlova? blog, but there's the link for posterity or for anyone who thinks it would improve the article. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:02, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think that's the correct way to handle it, well done. Herostratus (talk) 17:44, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. An elegant compromise. Davidships (talk) 23:13, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

i agree that the rumour is now part of the story of the ship. I don't however like the phrase 'debunked' something like 'considerable doubt' would be better. the rumour may turn out to be true. Flagpolewiki (talk) 11:56, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There are multiple sources that are definite about it; if and when the ship does reappear, afloat, there will be new sources to change the section. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:13, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]