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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Disregarding all of the socks, there is a clear consensus to Delete this article. And, looking at this article, the subject is only 18 years old maybe he will become notable when his career is longer than a year or two. Liz Read! Talk! 05:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seyed Ali Mousavi Nour

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Fails notability, the whole article is about trying to sell his achievements as something important. never won a major senior medal. never even participated in a major event. his medal (if true) is just in youth level. Sports2021 (talk) 01:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep In the sport of karate, unlike many other sports, there is no significant distinction between youth and adult competitions in terms of prestige and recognition. In fact, both youth and adult categories are considered to be on the same level, with no difference in the value and importance of their achievements. This is a point that is often not fully understood by those who lack expertise in karate. Many non-specialists and even some media outlets may assume that youth competitions are less significant than adult ones, whereas in reality, youth competitions in karate are held with the same level of difficulty and professionalism, and the medals earned in both categories hold equal prestige and value. This is especially true in major continental tournaments like the Asian Championships, which are organized under the authority of the World Karate Federation (WKF). The medals and achievements in these tournaments are recognized and recorded globally as significant accomplishments. These competitions are of the same caliber as adult events, and in many cases, athletes who win medals in the youth category quickly go on to achieve success on the international adult stage as well. This misunderstanding about the differences between age categories often leads to the undervaluation of athletes' achievements. However, from the perspective of experts and those deeply familiar with the structure of karate, it is clear that such successes, even in the youth categories, are by no means of lesser value compared to adult categories. This article, much like the article on Zohreh Barzegar, which highlights similar achievements in karate, should not be deleted. The value and significance of these accomplishments are comparable to those of other professional athletes whose articles remain on Wikipedia, and removing this article due to a lack of understanding of the sport’s structure would result in disregarding a legitimate and recognized achievement.InfoExplorer2023 (talk) 20:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete fails notability WP:ATHLETE. The article is a mess with links to official, medal, team, gold medal. The only claim to notability is a medal at the 2021 Asian Championship which is not sufficient to support notability by itself. Mostly routine event coverage and doesn't meet WP:GNG. Lekkha Moun (talk) 16:09, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep In defense of keeping the article, several key points need to be considered. Firstly, karate is a martial art with its own complexities, which may not be easily understood by everyone. Unlike more popular sports like football, karate requires specialized knowledge and experience to properly assess an athlete's achievements. In this case, the article may seem brief, but that doesn’t mean it's not valuable; rather, it's currently a stub article. According to Wikipedia's stub guidelines, this article has the potential to be expanded over time by editors who are knowledgeable in karate.Regarding notability, it's important to reference WP:ATHLETE. According to this guideline, sporting achievements at the international level are inherently notable and warrant the creation of a standalone article. Winning a medal at the 2021 Asian Championship is just one example of this athlete’s success, and it is significant enough to demonstrate their notability. WP:ATHLETE explicitly mentions that success in reputable international competitions is a valid criterion for notability. Additionally, from the perspective of WP:GNG (General Notability Guideline), the article includes reliable and credible sources that provide sufficient coverage to verify the athlete’s notability. The sources cited in the article go beyond just the medal at the Asian Championship and provide a broader context of the athlete’s career and accomplishments, which can be expanded upon as the article grows. Lastly, the argument about WP:TOOSOON should not be used as a reason for deletion. This athlete is already recognized on an international level, and deleting the article due to perceived premature coverage would only hinder the development of more information about them. Wikipedia is a platform meant to collect and expand knowledge, and this article not only meets the notability guidelines but also represents an opportunity for further improvement by editors with expertise in karate. Given these points, deleting the article would not only be a mistake but would also contradict Wikipedia’s own policies. The article adheres to the notability guidelines and should remain so that it can be further developed, allowing the athlete’s achievements to be fully documented over time.BookLover070 (talk) 18:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep The issue of deleting certain sports articles, particularly regarding karate, requires careful and in-depth consideration. In this discipline, competitions and medals directly reflect the high level of skill and experience of the athletes. Karate, as a martial art, demands advanced techniques and high concentration, which can only be achieved through continuous practice and competition at the adult level.In karate, there is no separation between age categories, and all competitions are held in a professional and competitive manner. Winning a medal in Asian competitions, regardless of age, demonstrates the high abilities and skills of this athlete at an international level.Deleting these articles is not only incorrect but also unjustifiable from the perspective of the documentation and credibility of Wikipedia's sources. These articles can remain as reliable references in the field of karate and contribute to documenting the history and achievements of athletes.Therefore, based on my expertise in Wikipedia and the sport of karate, I firmly state that this article should be preserved to enhance the recognition of karate athletes' achievements and to document the history of this sport within Wikipedia.BookLover070 (talk) 19:22, 28 September 2024 (UTC) (striking duplicate vote, you can only cast one bolded vote. Liz Read! Talk! 02:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC))[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:13, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete The subject doesn't seem to meet notability per the above arguments. They also seem to be an actor of sorts from what my attempt to find sources showed me, though none of the roles they have been involved in seem to be major, either.--Brocade River Poems (She/They) 02:32, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In response to the request for deleting the article, there are several key points that need to be considered. Firstly, Google News, as a search and news distribution tool, does not always display reliable sources and may not cover all relevant sources due to various reasons, including algorithmic flaws. However, this issue should not be the primary criterion for deciding whether to keep or delete an article on Wikipedia.
    This article is about an Iranian athlete who has achieved significant success in the field of karate. We must keep in mind that many Persian news outlets, due to their target audience and geographical focus, have covered this individual’s achievements more extensively than foreign news outlets. Therefore, in cases related to Iranian figures, using Persian sources as reliable references is of great importance.
    Moreover, international sources show that this person is not only a top-level sports champion but also has an active career in Iranian cinema as both an actor and a director. This combination of skills and achievements in two distinct fields (sports and cinema) highlights the notable value of this individual. 5.233.235.145 (talk) 06:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I just wanted to note for what it's worth that I've plugged the above text into an AI Generated Text detector and it said 99% Probability AI generated. The response by InfoExplorer2023 was flagged as 95% probability of being AI Generated, and BookLover070 at 100%. Furthermore, given the IP Address geolocates to Khuzestan and the subject of the article appears to be from Khuzestan according to his Wikipedia article, it feels like WP:COI is probably afoot. Brocade River Poems (She/They) 03:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]


  • KeepThe article about this Karate athlete should be preserved, and any attempts to delete it should be avoided. According to Wikipedia's guidelines, articles about notable athletes with significant achievements at the national or international level meet the criteria for retention on Wikipedia. This Karate athlete is a recognized champion with valuable medals at the continental level in Asia, which is considered one of the highest levels of international competition.Regarding sources, the article includes reliable and credible sources that have covered this champion in various media outlets and publications. According to Wikipedia's rules, such sources are sufficient to establish significant coverage (SIGCOV) and demonstrate notability. Especially in sports, champions who hold high-level medals, such as Asian championships, are clearly notable at both continental and global levels.A similar article, such as the one about Negin Altooni, who also has similar medals and notability in the field of Karate, demonstrates that such articles not only deserve to be kept but also serve as a reference for recognizing these champions within the community. This athlete, with international achievements and participation in continental and global competitions, clearly meets the notability requirements, and the article should be preserved in line with Wikipedia’s policies.Therefore, the request to delete this article is unfounded, and based on the sources and Wikipedia's rules, the article fully meets the criteria for notability and significant coverage.5.233.235.145 (talk) 06:18, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

— 5.233.235.145 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Quite likely another sockpuppet. Papaursa (talk) 15:14, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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