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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. Owen× ☎ 11:37, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Kean (musician)

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WP:BANDMEMBER, notability is solely inherited by being a member of Bring Me the Horizon --- FMSky (talk) 16:40, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 17:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BANDMEMBER:Individual members: Members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability. --FMSky (talk) 07:55, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And you tried to remove an article when someone did demonstrate individual notability, doing so with the same argument for Lee Malia just for being a band member even though he was clearly notable. If the guideline says about this and three musicians in the band are notable in their own right outside of the band, then surely Matt Kean is protected under this guideline? Rockmusicfanatic20 (talk) 12:20, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 16:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. The user who's previously deleted the article (without going through this process) cited WP:BANDMEMBER, which says: "Members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability."

Individual notability through WP:MUSICBIO states that musicians are notable if: · Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.

The content of Kean's article directed about him specifically are sourced to Music Radar, Bass, EMG Pickups, Guitar Parts and the BBC.

· Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart.

Through the band he is apart of contributes to, they have had multiple number-one albums in their home country, as well as eight different UK Top 40 Hits.

· Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country.

Through his band that he contributes to, has multiple platinum-selling singles and albums in their home country alone, as well as Gold records in the United States as certified by the RIAA.

· Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.

While there's nothing currently in the article about this, there are likely articles online discussing Kean on tour which should be added to help demonstrate his independent notability.

· Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)

Four of the albums he has worked on with his band have been on major labels such as RCA and Sony Music.

· Is an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles.

Kean is in a band with Oli Sykes, Jordan Fish and Lee Malia who are all prominent musicians who display their independent notability, through other collaborations, producing other works and music scoring for films.

· Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.

Kean is a prominent bass guitarist in his genre who is well-known and has been featured on guitar magazines specifically about him as a bassist. If he wasn't notable, a guitar magazine would not be using him as the headline of the magazine.[3]

· Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammy award. Note that this requires the person or band to have been the direct recipient of a nomination in their own name, and is not passed by playing as a session musician on an album whose award citation was not specifically for that person's own contributions.

He has been nominated for several Grammy's and BRIT awards, winning a BRIT award with his band for best alternative act this year.

· Has won first, second, or third place in a major music competition.

Kean has never been in a music competition, rendering this one of the only guidelines for independent notability he won't meet.

· Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, such as a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album.

He has performed on Channel 4's (UK Broadcasting Network) Sunday Brunch, a television show, with his band.[4]

· Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network.

His music has been persistently played on BBC Radio One and Kerrang! Radio for well over a decade now.

· Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or television network.

Kean appeared on BBC Sport's Premier League Predictions that former professional footballer Mark Lawrenson hosts.[5]

Out of all the independent notability guidelines, there are only TWO he fails to comply to. At the top of the section, it's said that: Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria. He follows not only one, but TEN of the twelve listed criteria, so therefore the article should be kept. Rockmusicfanatic20 (talk) 13:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To add to my point as per above, Matt Kean also qualifies for WP:COMPOSER. He is also credited as a song writer on some of the bands biggest hits including "Drown" (the band's only UK Top 20 single), "Throne" (UK Platinum-selling single) and "Mantra" (Australian Platinum-selling single). By virtue of this, he ticks off two of the composers criteria for notability, as well as the previous ten I've mentioned for MUSICBIO above. Rockmusicfanatic20 (talk) 20:22, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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