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Category:11th-century Somali people

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 4#Category:11th-century Somali people

Categories named after GTA games

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete Category:Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. Keep the rest. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:51, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These categories mostly contain redirects, but more imporantly I believe these are unnecessary and should be merged into the parent and other subcategories of Category:Grand Theft Auto over consistency with the common structure of the content in other categories for video game franchises; as we only used to have categories such as Category:Half-Life 2.
These categories must be both purged and deleted in order to keep them in the GTA category tree. If you still disagree, then maybe only the Vice City category will be deleted rather instead. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 22:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oppose. These aren't "Trivial intersections". A trivial intersection is when two category trees intersect. These are full games, and there is more than sufficient content in them to justify. Further if these categories are deleted, they should be merged to a Grand Theft Auto parent. Mason (talk) 23:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm aware—that's still not a majority, though. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 00:10, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also not sure that Category:Half-Life 2's 15-year-old deletion is particularly relevant—we have several categories for individual video games. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 00:20, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let's say it would have been a much better idea to nominate just Category:Grand Theft Auto: Vice City instead. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 00:28, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:14th-century German LGBT people

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Medieval German LGBTQ people. (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 (T·C) 20:34, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: If not merged, rename to Category:14th-century German LGBTQ people per Category:LGBTQ. But this is a three-member category, all of which are redirects. Better to merge to its parents as unhelpful for navigation. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that merging it to a non-LGBT category strands the redirects out of the Category:German LGBT people (which is still pending renaming to LGBTQ as of right now) and Category:14th-century LGBTQ people trees, where they need to be reflected. We need a solution that keeps all three titles in those trees while not simply throwing them into the container-only parents, which this particular merge fails to fulfill. I'm all ears if somebody's got a solution that actually solves that issue, but this doesn't. Bearcat (talk) 22:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What about renaming it to Category:Medieval German LGBTQ people? Mason (talk) 23:25, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That works for me. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:50, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Parrotiopsis

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only contains Parrotiopsis and P. jacquemontania. The genus's article also lists P. involucrata, but most sources synonymize it with P. jacquemontania, leaving the genus monospecific. Either way, this should be upmerged per Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants/Categorization. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Political history of the Republic of Artsakh

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:46, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, the addition of "history" has become redundant after the Republic of Artsakh itself became history recently. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge – now that Politics of the Republic of Artsakh has been placed into Politics by former country (a subcategory of Political history by country), the categories are essentially equivalent. Glancing through other members of Category:Politics by former country, none of the ones I checked had "Political history of…" subcategories. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Defunct games

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:51, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Is it possible for a game to be defunct without relying on the Internet in some way? I think this is an unnecessary parent category since there's nothing that wouldn't fit into the subcategory. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Zxcvbnm It's complicated. Did you look at the entries there? It had some entries added that belong in the Category:Inactive online games‎ and I moved them there, so I assume you clicked on these and did not notice that the category is intended for games that mix physical and online components, but cannot be classified as online games. For example, there were board games like Golem Arcana or children games like Xtractaurs that have physical presence as well as online component that became defunct; as well as many defunct CCGs (those probably need their own category and populating it) like Sword Girls. I've pruned the category to those three entries, although I expect there are more such products to be added. Anyway, the point of this category is to list defunct (inactive) games that are not only online, but physical. You cannot classify Golem Arcana, Xtractaurs or Sword Girls as 'online games', as you played them in the real world; the first two had an online component, but defunct CCGs don't (and they need a separate category, to be honest). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the game depends on online to function, then that would make it an "online game", right? Even if it has a physical component, that would be useless without the computerized online part. Digital CCG's are also basically video games. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:19, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Zxcvbnm Not when the game has significant physical components, such as miniatures. Golem Arcana can be played with paper rules, IIRC. Anyway, I've created a new subcategory for Category:Discontinued collectible card games so now this is also valid as a parent category unifying such games with online ones and the weird hybrid ones like Golem Arcna and Xtractaurs. @BOZ in case they have some other games to add here, or comments. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:08, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Islam and slavery

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:12, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: purge all content that is region-based or language-based rather than religion-based. For comparison, the article Slavery in the United States is not in Category:Christianity and slavery either. Possibly rename to Category:Islamic views on slavery and do the same for other religions. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Purge but not rename. I think the way it is works well. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Omnis Scientia: "the way it is" will not continue if it is purged per the nominator's proposal. – Fayenatic London 12:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fayenatic london, you make a fair point. I'm definitely open to more suggestions on the matter. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:11, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think that religions "been historically dominant in the society of those regions" is a good argument. This way of reasoning would imply that every social history article should be put in a religion category too, I do not think that would be a good idea. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Lots of different ideas... further input would be appreciated :)
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Category:Trilingual Wikipedians

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:USERCAT for lacking any discernible collaborative function. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:04, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Actors who are Wheelchair Users

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 4#Category:Actors who are Wheelchair Users

Category:Films Where Non-Disabled Actors Play Disabled Roles

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. If someone wishes to create a list, the following articles were in the category at the time of deletion: The Bone Collector, Byron (film), A Call to Spy, Come as You Are (2019 film), Coming Home (1978 film), Door to Door (film), Frankenstein (Universal film series), The Fundamentals of Caring, I Am Sam, Inside I'm Dancing, Kafka (film), Million Dollar Baby, The Miracle Worker (1962 film), The Miracle Worker (2000 film), Music (2021 film), Music Within, Rain Man, Ray (film), Rear Window, Richard III (1955 film), Richard III (1995 film), Richard III (2007 film), The Secret Garden (1993 film), The Secret Garden (2020 film), Shelter (2010 film), The Stratton Story, The Upside, Wait Until Dark (film), What Ever Happened to Baby Jane? (film), and Wild Wild West. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:14, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: If we need this category, it should be capitalized correctly. Alternatively, it can be deleted, as it is a good list subject, but not a defining characteristic of the films so not a good category subject. Fram (talk) 11:25, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How to title this was tricky. There is a term for this which is "cripping-up", which I have created a page for to explain what it is and why there has been a very vocal movement against the practice that has also had a lot of interest in the press since about 2015. However pre-2000 it was very hard for directors to cast authentically as there were fewer professional disabled actors than I have fingers, and I have a full-set of them. I wanted the title to capture the instances rather than be a critique of what is now seen as an ableist practice. It would be unfair to say that the casting of films like My Left Foot is ableist when there were no other options. This is why on the page about Cripping-up I have added an interview with that film's director who said it is no longer acceptable.
Any suggestions welcome and the formatting I should apologise for. I'm still rather new to this. GRF (talk) 11:40, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is very similar politically to Category:Whitewashing in film I would argue that if we have that, then films with the same thing but with disability identity, it is equally justified. GRF (talk) 18:24, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:50, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Delete per nom. @Garethfw please slow down with category creation. You're well meaning, and I think you'd be an assess to Wikipedia:WikiProject Disability. But you really need to review Wikipedia:Categorizing articles about people. Mason (talk) 23:33, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you. This is really useful guidance. I'm starting to create pages about disabled stage and screen actors. It's a movement that really interests me because of the long history and recent change in attitudes, and I will use this guidance.
    For the category Films_Where_Non-Disabled_Actors_Play_Disabled_Roles I think it is interesting to collect this as it is something that is happening less and less, so from a historic perspective it is interesting, but also it shows that stories about disability are interesting. As Zak Ford-Williams once said, "Creativity is about making interesting choices, and disability is always an interesting choice." The interesting thing is who is getting to plays the visibly disabled roles. There are interesting parallels with blacking-up a color blind casting. I'm also researching a category of disabled screen roles played by disabled actors.
    The category for actors who are wheelchair users, it's a sub-category gap in the disabled actor category. I'm making sure I include within that both permanent and ambulatory wheelchair users, and only including actors who use a wheelchair in their daily life as well as in their profession.
    I will try and slow down and be more focused on building out a category or page before I start a new one, although I must admit I am researching about six pages where actors, plays or films are missing. GRF (talk) 16:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Members of the Order of the Holy Sepulchre

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 4#Category:Members of the Order of the Holy Sepulchre

Category:Riize

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 4#Category:Riize

Category:NCT Wish albums

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 4#Category:NCT Wish albums

Category:Members of the South African Unemployed Peoples' Movement

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge this category that's currently unhelpful for navigation with only two pages in it. Mason (talk) 03:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ukrainian goalball players

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Redudant category layer, duel upmerge Mason (talk) 01:24, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People adherents to christian new religious movements

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not clearly defined. Seemingly ungrammatical. I might support renaming if anyone can make sense of it. Stefen 𝕋owers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 00:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Virat Kohli

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not needed, as there are only a few articles directly about Kohli, and not enough to warrant a category. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning keep; seems okay to me ATM and is the average size of most epon categories (and I think it will undoubted expand in the future). Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:01, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of the 5 things in that category, Career of Virat Kohli is a spinoff of Virat Kohli that doesn't look to have had consensus to be created, Super V is is an Indian animated television series loosely based on Virat Kohli, so is only tangentially relevant to Kohli, and {{Virat Kohli series}} is up for deletion. As such, I see 2-3 sensible articles in this category only, which is not enough. For reference, Category:Sachin Tendulkar has 11. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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