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Category:Sports competitions in Ängelholm

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:07, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Procedural nomination. Tagged by user:Aidan721 at the same time as Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 20#Category:Sports competitions in Borlänge but not listed there. Each set contains only 3 pages. – Fayenatic London 21:54, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lithuanian Hindus

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:11, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Hinduism in Lithuania Lithuanian people Estopedist1 (talk) 21:44, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Champaign–Urbana, Illinois

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 20#Category:Champaign–Urbana, Illinois

Category:Lithuanian Anglicans

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:13, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 21:25, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lost historical records

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:14, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There isn't really a clear difference between these two categories, as all documents are records and are technically historical by way of history being a way in which knowledge is recorded by writing. Furthermore, everything in the "lost documents" section appear to be texts of some degree of historical significance/interest to begin with, which further obscures the need for "historical records" being a separate category. Totalibe (talk) 00:01, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 18:59, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 20:29, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Tribes

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The result of the discussion was: rename (merge "Walla Walla"). (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:17, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These are broad categories including culture, history, people, descent, etc. Renaming the categories also avoids confusion in cases where there are multiple recognized tribes. Pinging editors: @User:Yuchitown, @User:Indigenous girl, @User:CorbieVreccan, @User:Vizjim, @User:Uyvsdi, and @User:TulsaPoliticsFan. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 15:07, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:23, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@William Allen Simpson: I can't see anything with which to populate the Walla Walla parent category, so I'd still upmerge that one. For Mono, Category:Mono people (United States) would be unambiguous and consistent with naming policy; there do not seem to be any biographies competing for the "people" category name. If Category:Seneca people (currently used for biographies) is renamed to Category:Seneca people (individuals), then Category:Seneca tribe can move to Category:Seneca people. – Fayenatic London 16:08, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Fayenatic london: OK, modified above. Category:Mono (United States) If no content for Category:Walla Walla (tribe), then upmerge. Leave Category:Walla Walla people biographies. Also, leave Category:Seneca people biographies. What's wrong with Category:Seneca for the tribe?
William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:18, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Because Seneca is highly ambiguous, and I would expect the primary meaning to be Category:Seneca the Younger (known mononymously as Seneca). – Fayenatic London 08:27, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Fayenatic london: this must be an example of WP:ENGVAR education. The WP:PRIMARYTOPIC should be the tribe, with so many places named after them. The perfidious Seneca are the first natives that American schoolchildren are taught to hate (followed by Comanches and Apaches) from an early age. They sided with the British, and blocked the Erie Canal, so they had to be "removed." Meanwhile, I don't recall learning about Seneca the Younger (or his father) at all. At university, we spent considerable time on Cicero because of his influence on Jeffersonian democracy.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 15:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Could be. As a boy, I had a colouring book about Native Americans; I remember Apache, Cheyenne and Comanche, but don't remember knowing there was a Seneca people. There has not been a PRIMARYTOPIC at the disambiguation page Seneca except from 2013 [1] until 2014 [2] when it was Seneca the Younger. – Fayenatic London 15:40, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Fayenatic london: Those are all western tribes, later conflicts, Cowboys and Indians. We were taught the Seneca viciously attacked the Huron and ethnically cleansed them. I'm from Michigan near the Huron River west of Lake Huron, so maybe that's regional instruction. In part that's the justification for "removing" the Seneca. When children are taught about the French and Indian Wars and the American Revolutionary War, we learn that the Seneca were allies of George Washington during the former, then betrayed him in the latter. There are books and films, 19th century romanticised white savior drama. Anyway, I'd oppose Seneca the Younger as primary topic. According to the current article, The tribe's name has no logical connection with the ancient Roman statesmen.... There is a moon crater and asteroid named after him (and other philosophers), but most place names are about the Seneca people.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 16:21, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 20:29, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Ministers' Baptist Higher Secondary School alumni

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:18, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT for just three alumni of a high school. As always, every high school that exists does not automatically get one of these as a matter of course -- they're fine if there are a lot of notable alumni of that high school, but not just if there are only two or three, and checking the school's "what links here" didn't turn up anybody else that could be added. Then, for no apparent reason, it's also filed as a subcategory of Category:Ministers' Hill Baptist Higher Secondary School alumni, despite the school's article not containing any indication of what would make Minister's Hill and Minister's Not-Hill two separate things for the purposes of needing two separate categories, and of Category:Ministers' Hill Baptist Higher Secondary School, which exists only to sit between the underpopulated alumni category and the category for the town the high school is in -- which means that neither of those categories are necessary either. Bearcat (talk) 17:46, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:District in Northern province of Rwanda

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:19, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT for just two districts. Wikipedia does not currently have any scheme of subdividing Category:Districts of Rwanda by individual province, and even if that were desirable this would not be the category's correct name anyway. Bearcat (talk) 17:30, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Latton, Essex

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:20, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT for a former small community which is now just an area within a larger (but still relatively) small town rather than its own thing. There are just two articles here, but there would have to be a lot more than just two articles to file here before a dedicated category was justified. Bearcat (talk) 17:21, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
likewise with the parish, it has an 800 year history, that I am slowly cataloging.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Latton,_Essex
https://archive.org/details/arkwrightsharlow0000lake/mode/2up
https://archive.org/details/bookofharlowillu0000jone/mode/2up
https://archive.org/details/victoriahistoryo0008unse_t7h7/page/206/mode/2up
https://archive.org/details/victoriahistoryo0008unse_t7h7/page/208/mode/2up
https://archive.org/details/victoriahistoryo0008unse_t7h7/page/210/mode/2up
https://archive.org/details/victoriahistoryo0008unse_t7h7/page/212/mode/2up
https://archive.org/details/victoriahistoryo0008unse_t7h7/page/214/mode/2up DRS311 (talk) 17:31, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You don't get to create a small underpopulated category first and then claim you're going to create content to populate it later. That's not how this works: you create the content first, and then you can come back and create a category to hold the content after the content already exists. Bearcat (talk) 17:38, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Again, didn't no that, nor does it clearly mention that it is against the rules. I didn't think it would let me do something that is wrong. it allowed me, so I went with it. DRS311 (talk) 18:12, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Church of St Mary the Virgin, Harlow

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:20, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for a smalltown church without the volume of spinoff content needed to justify an eponymous category. All that's here is the head article, one biography of one person who was once rector of it (but that's not what he's primarily notable for, and thus including him is the religious equivalent of a WP:PERFCAT), and one photograph, which is not sufficient to render a smalltown church as being in need of its own dedicated category. Bearcat (talk) 16:53, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
it was to help catalog all the photos I have of the
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles/DRS311&ilshowall=1
one photograph ??? I have unload 100s DRS311 (talk) 17:26, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I still have a lot more to load. DRS311 (talk) 17:26, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Roger Altham, is attached to the church, and i have a lot more people to add to the cat.
The Altham, The Arkwright, The Burgoyne and the Lushington etc etc. DRS311 (talk) 17:27, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We do not mix articles with photographs in articlespace categories. There may be an "images of X" category for only the photographs with no articles, or an "X" category for only articles with no photographs, but there cannot be a mix of both articles and photographs in the same category. And it doesn't matter how many photos you've uploaded, either — it matters how many photos you've actually filed in the category, and there's only one photograph filed in the category. And also, furthermore, we do not upload duplicate copies to Wikipedia of photos that you've already uploaded as CC to Commons — we just directly use the Commons copy itself. Bearcat (talk) 17:34, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't know that sorry, it does not say not to mix articles and photographs. my apologies. they should make that clearer, thank you. DRS311 (talk) 18:07, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also didn't no about the duplicates, thought they were separate website. DRS311 (talk) 18:08, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Commons" is the name. It is a common centrally located place for all the languages.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 03:04, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sunyani Technical University alumni

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 20#Category:Sunyani Technical University alumni

Category:Cutchogue (town), New York

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:21, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for a small community (pop. 3K) without sufficient content to justify an eponymous category. As always, every place that exists does not automatically get one of these as a matter of course -- it's warranted if there are a lot of things to file in it, but not if there are only one or two. And for added bonus, Cutchogue, New York isn't even its own standalone town anyway -- it's merely a community within the town of Southold, which already has its own, much better populated Category:Southold, New York that these two articles can be filed in without needing a special layer of Cutchogue categorization. Bearcat (talk) 17:06, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Residents of Lagos

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:22, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia does not do "residents of X" as a separate category tree from "people from X". The people-from tree is not applied solely on the basis of birthplace alone, such that a person who lived in Lagos somehow couldn't be categorized as "people from Lagos" if he or she wasn't actually born there -- they're applied solely on the basis of "lived in Lagos for long enough to have that be relevant to mention in their article at all, regardless of whether they were born there or not", meaning that there's no category-worthy distinction between "people from" and "residents of" at all. Bearcat (talk) 16:59, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Shahidul Zahir

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:22, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for a writer, without the volume of spinoff content needed to justify an eponymous category. As always, every writer who has a Wikipedia article does not automatically get one of these as a matter of course -- it's done for writers who have a lot of related content to categorize outside of the established "Works by..." scheme that already exists (e.g. Category:William Shakespeare), but is not automatically created just to hold "Works by + head article".
The category formerly included images of his book covers (which as non-free content can't be galleried in categories that mix them with articles) and a dedicated "Shahidul Zahir template" category that existed solely to contain the {{Shahidul Zahir}} navbox (but navboxes don't get their own dedicated "[person the navbox is for] template" categories either, except maybe in the rare case that there are several related but distinct navboxes for different aspects of the person's notability that need to be grouped together). So those have been removed as inappropriate entries, but that means all that's left is "Works by + head article", which isn't enough. Bearcat (talk) 16:22, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Hypercategorized Paraguayan television series

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 20#Hypercategorized Paraguayan television series

Category:Categories by islands

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:23, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Should be singular, right? Skovl (talk) 14:07, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not Category:Geography of island but maybe Category:Geography by island. Cf. Category:Geography by continent, Category:Geography by country, Category:Geography by region. On the other hand, there is Category:Geography of planets. Goustien (talk) 16:03, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I meant Category:Geography by island of course. --Skovl (talk) 16:51, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Music videos directed by La La Land

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:23, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not La La Land. Gonnym (talk) 11:21, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sportspeople of Asian descent

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:24, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: recent proliferation of tiny categories with unusual and irrelevant hierarchical organization. Wikipedia:Category naming does not provide for by region encapsulating by country.
Summary: Trivial intersection between occupation and ancestors' nationality. These are not harmless as these "regional" subcategories are also a proxy for race, and are understood that way. Continuing removals after categories were emptied by previous discussions.
Followup to:
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 28#Category:American sportspeople of Asian descent result delete.
  2. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 15#Category:Asian sportspeople by ethnic or national origin result delete.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:26, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle, Mzajac, and Place Clichy: prior comments included in summary.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 12:08, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sportspeople of North American descent

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:24, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: recent proliferation of tiny categories with unusual and irrelevant hierarchical organization. Wikipedia:Category naming does not provide for by region encapsulating by country. This parent shim has only 2 children, soon to be 1 child.
Summary: There's no rhyme nor reason for this convoluted tree, entangled with others, very few articles. Continuing removals after categories were emptied by previous discussions.
Followup to:
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 21#Category:North American sportspeople by ethnic or national origin result delete.
  2. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 27#Category:Sportspeople of Latin American descent result delete.
  3. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 27#Category:Sportspeople of South American descent result delete.
  4. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 1#Category:Sportspeople of Caribbean descent
William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:51, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Albums produced by Anderson Paak

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:25, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A category for this record producer already exists, under his correctly stylized stage name. GiovanniSidwell (talk) 00:15, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Albums produced by Anderson Paak

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:44, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

:* Propose renaming Category:Albums produced by Anderson Paak to Category:Albums produced by Anderson .Paak

Nominator's rationale: Name of category doesn't match name on main article. That is, the category was created without the "." present in his stage name. GiovanniSidwell (talk) 00:11, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nvm, looks like the target category does exist and this new one was created erroneously, will nominate for merge instead. GiovanniSidwell (talk) 00:14, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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