Tibetologist

Hi Tibetologist,

I have been updating your article on Usnisa Vijaya Dharani since I found it empty with just merely one sentence of line. It really sad when I came accross this because Usnisa Vijaya Dharani is a great Mantra and suppose to be distribute for the benifit of all beings. Since this is the first English version of this Sutra I hope all English reader like me will benifit and uphold this Sutra with great respect.

As a short intro, I'm not a monk nor a upasaka nor a person who are great in this Sutra. I just an ordinarily person who love to do researh on Buddhist Scriptures and recite this Mantra based on daily basis and distribute this Sutra for sake of all beings.

I hope that anyone post on this discussion will help me to edit, distribute and improve Usnisa Vijaya Dharani English version wiki article for the sake of all beings on earth.

Namo Amitahba

Stark Liew, Malaysia

Hi there
I don't know how long you've been around Wikipedia, so here's some tips for this article.

1. It needs wikification. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)Reply
2. It doesn't really explain what makes him notable. You claim he's a great tibetologist, but you don't say what exactly he did.
3. "perhaps the greatest Tibetologist of all time" is a phrase that violates WP:NPOV.
4. Did you use the obituary to get information to write the article? If so, it should be in a references section, instead of the external links.

All in all a pretty good start, it just needs some polishing. Let me know if you need help with anything. I'll post a larger welcome message above with some more helpful links. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

• I rarely visit the Dutch Wikipedia. Just occasionally for translations. Once Thor Salden survives the deletion discussion, I might do a translation for the Dutch Wikipedia. Last time it was written there, he was deleted as not notable, but now it would be against policy to do so IMO. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:34, 23 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for the history of that! rudy 17:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

Just curious why you removed sourced information on the Songtsen Gampo page? That's not really a good Wikipedia practice... rudy 17:28, 18 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your information on this subject. Unfortunately, I don't have access to complete articles on JSTOR. The thing that confuses me is that R. A. Miller in one section of an article[1] writes, "Perhaps the most striking isogloss separating the Central Tibetan koiné from the genuine Lhasa Tibetan is the correspondence of retroflex stops [ṭ, ṭ', ḍ] in the former with with retroflex affricates in the latter." (I assume that [ṭ, ṭ', ḍ] means [ ʈ ], [ ʈʰ ], and [ ɖ ] in IPA). Tournadre describes "Standard Tibetan" as having retroflex affricates [ ʈʂ ] and [ ʈʂʰ ]. Therefore, this apparently means that what Tournadre is describing is what Miller calls "Lhasa Tibetan", and that Miller believes it is not the lingua franca of Central Tibet.

"It would be nice though if someone wroe a book that just went through the whole literature and straightened it all out." Well, I guess you have your work cut out for you! Cheers, Nat Krause^{(Talk!·What have I done?)} 23:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

Actually, I double checked, and I was mistaken. Tournadre does describe his Standard Tibetan as having aspirated stops [ ʈ ] and [ ʈʰ ], although he does say that they are "slightly affricate". It is actually the Chinese government's Tibetan Pinyin system (which is usually identical to Tournadre's phonology) which lists affricates instead of stops.

I would be grateful to read anything you could send me. I haven't had anything interesting to read lately. I'm mostly interested in Tibetan phonology and dialect variation. You can contact me at Special:Emailuser/Nat_Krause or nathanielkrause@hotmail.com (I don't mind giving that e-mail out in public—I almost never use it and it already gets tons of spam). Cheers, Nat Krause^{(Talk!·What have I done?)} 21:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

Many thanks for your encouraging remarks on my Talk page about the Songtsen (Songtsän) Gampo article. I still think it needs quite a lot of work and will, when I can spare the time, try to tidy it up.

Songtsen Gampo is certainly one of the most important figures in Tibetan history and, indeed, is a key figure in Asian history, so it would be a wonderful achievement if we could turn this into a really informative and first-class article. Perhaps together (and hopefully with the help of others) we can achieve this? My main problem is lack of time as I am well behind editing a book of mine for publication. Also, it has been many years since I made a study of this period and I am out of date and my notes are scattered and, most unfortunately, I don’t read Tibetan.

I agree with you about the limitations of the Yeshe de project but I was unable find my copy of the Old Tibetan Chronicle MS, translated by Jacques Bacot, et al., Documents de Touen-houang relatifs à l’histoire de Tibet. Imprimerie Nationale, Paris. 1940-46, (which is probably stored in a box here somewhere) and had to finish off what I was doing in a hurry. I, unfortunately, don’t have access to Hugh Richardson’s work (and am at least 2,500 km from the nearest library which might contain it - possibly one in Sydney or Canberra has a copy). I think you are probably the person who has added references to the OTA in the text of the article. If so, would you possibly be able to insert the references so they show up in the reference section, please? Also, if you have access to a scanner, would there be any chance of you sending me a copy??? I would be most happy to pay you for it. My email address is: wynhill@bigpond.com .

As to my references to, and quotes from, the Tangshu: I agree that Pelliot’s translation is likely more accurate and trustworthy than Bushell’s in general (after all, Pelliot is often referred to as the greatest Western sinologist ever, and was an unusually brilliant and very diligent scholar), plus he had Bushell’s translation as a guide and access to more than 80 extra years of research. However, the passages I quoted from Bushell differ very little from Pelliot’s version (I have his translations here too) and have the important advantage for our readers of being in readable English. I also have another translation in English: The History of Early Relations between China and Tibet from the Chiu t’ang-shu, a documentary survey, by Don Y. Lee. Eastern Press. Bloomington, Indiana. 1981, but it is a bit “clunky” to read and I have some questions about the accuracy of certain passages, and I don’t have the Chinese text here to check them.

Finally, I would appreciate your advice on how we can obtain a consistent approach to the transliteration of Tibetan names. I am certainly no expert in this area and, like most laypeople, find the plethora of systems most difficult to follow. It would be useful if we could avoid diacritics as far as possible (especially as this makes it difficult to search for names in the Wikipedia) and also try to make sure we are consistent with those used in other articles on Tibetan history. I notice the heading of the article has “Songtsen Gampo” whereas you tend to use “Songtsän Gampo” – which is possibly more correct technically. I wonder if you would have a think about this problem and, if you can, make some suggestions on how best to handle it?

Sorry to be so long-winded, but I am hoping we can work together to make this a really excellent article. Thank you in advance for any help you may be able to give. Sincerely, John Hill 23:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

Hi again! Glad to see you have taken an interest so quickly in the editing I did today. I take your point about the uncertainty about Songtsän Gampo's age when he took the throne and have rewritten the two sections - please have a look at the revised versions and tell me what you think.

I am sorry to have to disagree with you, but as regards to Nepal - I don't think there can be much doubt as the Tang histories refer to it many times as 泥婆羅 Nipoluo and place it usually to the south of Tibet (and once to the west). Bushell in his note 31 on pages 529-530, translates a general passage on the country from the Tangshu (which repeats the story about the young king taking refuge in Tibet and being placed on the throne by the Tibetans and, thus, being "subject" to them). If you wish, I could scan this passage in and email it to you. In any case, I have rewritten this passage in the article with more references added.

Do have a look at it please and tell me if you still object.

PS. Do you feel brave enough to move the article so it is headed by Songtsän Gampo or, better yet, under Wylie's transcription (with, of course, adding proper redirects)? I feel you are more qualified than me to talk about the various transcription systems - though I would be happy to back you up if there is any further flack. Cheers and best wishes, John Hill 11:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

Hi!

Thank you for your follow-up note. It has led me to check matters further in my collection of books on Tibet and related subjects and, I think it has, fairly convincingly resolved (that is - unless you can find substantial counter-arguments somewhere)this whole matter of Nipoluo = Nepal(?) and even has led to pretty well-established dates for the king the Tibetans are said to have put on the throne of Nipoluo.

First, I should say that I have been "quietly confident" all along that the "Nepalese" king mentioned in the Tangshu who was placed on his throne by the Tibetans, and is called, “Naling deva” in Bushell’s translation, was actually Narendradeva, a king of the Licchavi dynasty which ruled mainly in the Kathmandu valley and surrounds for hundreds of years. Now, the dating of Narendradeva’s reign has been fairly firmly fixed at circa 643- circa 679 from a series of inscriptions - and, as far as I know, there has been no serious questioning of these dates.

The fullest account that I have found of it all so far is in David Snellgrove’s Indo-Tibetan Buddhism: Indian Buddhists & Their Tibetan Successors, 2 Vols., Shambhala, Boston, 1987, Vol. II, pp. 369-372. (If you wish, I can scan and email these pages to you). Snellgrove also contains an English version of Lèvi’s French translation of the same passage on Nipoluo that I had previously quoted from Bushell, and he identifies the Nipoluo king as Narendradeva.

Gedun Choephel in The White Annals, Library of Tibetan Works & Archives, 1977, pp. 63-65, transcribes his name from ‘Scroll Ka’ as “Nariba” and his father as “Yusna Kug-te” and he discusses the relationship of these names to king Narendradeva and his father, which is given in the list below as: Bhi-ma-rjunadeva / Vis*n*ugupta, who reigned only briefly circa 640-641 until he was (according to the Tibetan accounts) usurped by a brother (or, at least, an uncle of Narendradeva).

For a list of the various Licchavi kings and their attributed dates, see: “A Kushan-period Sculpture from the reign of Jaya Varma-, A.D. 184/185. Kathmandu, Nepal.” by Kashinath Tamot and Ian Alsop © the authors and Asian Arts at: http://www.asianart.com/articles/jaya/kings.html

For a statue and inscription of a much earlier king from the Kathmandu Valley (and the names of the authors, etc), see: http://www.asianart.com/articles/jaya/index01_12.html

As soon as I can I will have another attempt at correcting and updating the article on Songtsen Gampo, and would appreciate any comments you might have then.

Cheers, John Hill 03:52, 5 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

Hi there Tibetologist. Glad to see we share a fascination with Tibet. I was the one who added the interior sections to Potala and Tashilhunpo and created Shalu Monastery and Ramoche Temple and also Tibetology article!!. I have just added a lot of work on Lhasa which has imporved considerably. Is there some kind of WikiProject Tibet? or something? or is this considered too nationalist? I would willingly be a part of it if it was. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 12:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

Please help out the recently started Wikipedia:WikiProject Tibet which I proposed and got the green light by joining. THanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 15:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

Just wondering if you were born in the 7th century and was there in Lhasa until it suddenly came into existence in the 15th century. I know it is difficult that Tibetan history is often word of mouth but surely there is some near factual knowledge pre 15th century? I also wish you would reply to me and consider it quite rude that you don't. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 14:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your note on the discussion page of the J. W. de Jong article. You were right, I was reading a faulty obituary which said he was born in Canberra: http://www.dharmaavenue.com/faces-lives/j-w-de-jong.htm

I was able to confirm from another obituary, which I will list in the citations, that he was in fact born in Leiden.

Thanks again! Lotus 22:21, 10 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

Hi! Thanks for your note - I am rushing at the moment so I don't have time to check on the Tangut connection - but I do remember it was just a "translation" of the Chinese ethnic name Dangxian - I will check on all that later and change it if necessary - sometimes translators are pretty loose with these ethnic connections, as I'm sure you are well aware (for example, Qiang is often translated as "Tibetan"). As to getting rid of the weird transcriptions of Songstän Gampo, I couldn't agree more. Could you do this, please, as I think you know more about systems of romanising Tibetan than I do. Many thanks for checking first, though. Cheers and best wishes. John Hill 05:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

HI Tibetologist. HI sorry about my bitching - I thought you wre purposely ignoring me and thought it was out of disrespect you wouldn't reply and removed info. I too have a very keen interest in Tibet and I know as your name might suggest you have signficant expertise in this area. Forgive me but you can see why I might have thought this. However in the Lhasa article I will find the source but I have stressed now that it is debatable because of the fact Tibetan history was often passed down by word of mouth. I really do think there needs to be some reference to Jokhang and Sngsten Gampo even if all those details that were there beofre about the tribes in the Yarlung valley may not be true. From what I gather the area was governed as the Yarlung valley until the middle ages when Lhasa as a town rose to prominanece. Even if it mentions the early history which is debatable I think it is better than the history begining in the fiftenneth century. I too would like everything to completely sourced and true as well but I really think some early briefing is neeed on Lhasa however primitive. THanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 11:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Of course many of the sites which provide information on Lhasa are Chinese and it is difficult to assess what is reliable because they are often not Tibetan sources. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 11:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

The source is here

• http://www.chinaculture.org/gb/en_focus/2005-10/14/content_75074.htm

I invite you to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Tibet. I'd like to see far better Tibetan articles on wikipedia some are very poor indeed and even missing and if you became part of the project it can surely only help. I have just created Category:Languages of Tibet also . All the best ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 12:13, 2 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Welcome to the project my friend. I am very glad you have joined amd I hope we can develop a good understanding of each other. I hope we can work together and develop some great articles. Ifd you have any ideas for which articles are core and are in most serious need of development please creation a section on the main project page for project priorities and any proposals you might have regarding this in the project or my talk page. Encantado de conocerla!!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" Contribs} 21:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Losar is currenting happening, how may I ensure that it is flagged as a current event? Is there a News Wiki article that this Wikipedia article can interwiki? How may I progress this? Is there anything else you recommend?
Thank you again for the four articles.
Blessings in the mindstream
B9 hummingbird hovering ^{(talk • contribs)} 06:26, 6 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

Gimme danger is looking for editors to improve the History of Tibet to Good Article status. Since you've contributed so much to the article in the past, I hope you'll be able to participate. (talk) 00:52, 17 April 2008 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for helping translate titles on Hermann Beckh. Can you help with this phrase, too, please?

Nach dem roten und schwarzen Tanjur hrsg. und ins Deutsche übertragen

The best I can do is:

"According to the red and black ... and in German translation"

Thanks. Cbdorsett (talk) 07:29, 9 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

• Do you think "hrsg." is herausgabe? Thanks. Cbdorsett (talk) 05:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Dear Trollologist, let's make of Wikipeado a Troll in stead of an Ugly Troll.
I wish you a very happy Guy Fawkes Day and all good for your Brood of Trolls, trollself and of course for the quality on Wikipeado.
Finest regards of Trollologist (talk) 16:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Since I've moved the talk page around, I don't know what's showing up on your watch list. Would you like to write the intro for Standard Tibetan? I wrote the bare minimum, since I don't know what I'm talking about. (Is Standard Tibetan used for religious purposes in Bhutan? or is that Classical Tibetan? or just Dzongkha? etc.) kwami (talk) 01:49, 1 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Hey. I'm confused why you'd want to order Burmese dialects before other Burmic languages, or why you think the opposite, less confusing, order would require a separate article. ?? Not that it's a big deal either way. kwami (talk) 13:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Okay, but I still don't understand why it's better to speak of Burmese dialects before Burmic languages in an article on Burmish languages. I'd think you'd want to work from the top down, the entire family and then its branches, rather than starting with the dialects of just one of those languages, just because it happens to be official. kwami (talk) 19:19, 21 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

(copied from my own talk, just for ease of communication)

Lhasa Tibetan has a number of epistemic categories which often coincide with person. For example in the past one suffixes payin to a verb to show that it is egophoric mood and intentional, whereas the suffix pare' is assertative and not specified for volition. Superficially this may seem like 'first' and 'non-first' person, but one can use -pare' for the first person, and also one always asks questions in the egophoric. There is a rather extensive literature on this topic, in particular I recommend the works of N. Tournadre. If you are interested and give me your email address I can send you pdfs of some relevant papers. Tibetologist (talk) 14:25, 19 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

I see. It's not necessary to send me PDF:s. (Yet). I'm just taking a superficial look onto some representants for every language family in order to get a fast overview over the general character of and peculiarities of the grammar. I'm in it in order to get impressions for artificial language construction, and the most impressing I've ever seen is Ithkuil. Thanks a lot anyways! ... said: Rursus (bork²) 18:48, 19 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

See User_talk:Allen3#edit_reversion_on_.22Grange.2C_Douglas.2C_County_Cork.22 for details. Kragen Javier Sitaker (talk) 07:39, 18 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Dear Tibetologist: I noticed you have removed the paragraph in the Tuyuhun article about a Chinese princess being sent to marry the Tibetan king (as Tibetan tradition has it). I agree completely with your criticisms and am just writing to ask you if you could please rewrite the paragraph to replace what you have deleted? It shouldn't be too hard - my own tendency would be to state the traditional story and then add qualifiers with references (I would be happy to help with these if I happen to have any of the key texts you might not have to hand). I think it is too significant a part of the historical picture to left out altogether. What sayest thou? Best wishes, John Hill (talk) 12:25, 9 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

(Sigh)... I was afraid something like this would happen. Someone else had marked this categorization as incorrect, but I was hesistant to change it. Then I looked at the way the articles were already structured, and there appeared to be contradictions, so I decided to make the changes, in retrospect, perhaps prematurely. I still think major reworking and clean up was needed, BUT perhaps I should have left it to someone more knowledgable on the subject. In other words... OOPS. Gringo300 (talk) 18:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

P.S. on that: There wasn't a Bodish languages category until now, so it wasn't a complete loss. Any necessary corrections can be made. Gringo300 (talk) 00:48, 13 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

Hi Tibetologist, just to let you know I've changed and moved the article on Lu Chenggong that you created to Duke Cheng of Lu. If you don't mind me saying it is a rather strange article to create as he isn't a notable ruler. But now the article does exist I think it would be a good idea to create articles for all of the dukes of Lu (a nice simple project I can do during my lunch break). Anyway I've got to get back to some unwiki stuff you asked me to do. BabelStone (talk) 13:28, 15 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

If English barons and even baronets routinely get their own articles, sure these and other "dukes" deserve no less. (Is "Duke" really the best translation?) --Orange Mike | Talk 16:57, 9 November 2009 (UTC)Reply

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Hi Tibetologist,

Do you happen to know more on Cornelius Wessels? He wrote i.e. Early Jesuit travellers in Central Asia: 1603-1721. I actually don't get further than the information given here, that he lived from 1880 to 1964 and that he can be described as a Dutch Jezuit geographer. Would be great if you could retrieve some more information on him, like education, if he tough as well, etc. Best regards, Davin (talk) 11:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)Reply

Alas, thank you for answering anyway. In those cases you're searching some more information on someone, please note the page nl:Tibetoloog. I've used there a broad definition for tibetologists by the way. Sources (or external links) are many times in English and maybe you'll find some data you can need. Best regards, Davin (talk) 15:25, 10 February 2010 (UTC)Reply

Dear Tibetologist,

I don't know if this falls into your area of academic interest at all, but I wonder if you might be of any possible assistance regarding an issue that cropped a couple times on Talk:Tibet (see Talk:Tibet#declaration_of_independence_of_DL and more recently Talk:Tibet#"Independence"_section, although I don't recommend reading all the back and forth). Basically, one user is citing a Chinese Tibetan scholar, Zhaxi Wangdu, saying that Shakabpa mistranslated the Dalai Lama's 1913 edict (the one that is sometimes described as a declaration of independence): specifically, Zhaxi Wangdu says that Shakabpa translated bod ljongs as "nation" when the Tibetan term just means "Tibet" (i.e., not necessarily a separate nation). Shakabpa's translation is reproduced in Melvyn Goldstein's book and it seems to be the only English version floating around. So, my questions are a) do you have any idea how we could get ahold of a copy of the original Tibetan; b) are you able to give any input on the validity of Zhaxi Wangdu's claim?—Nat Krause^{(Talk!·What have I done?)} 21:32, 28 February 2010 (UTC)Reply

I did some grammar cleanup on this article; you might want to read it over to make sure I didn't alter the meaning in any way.

Incidentally, a friend of mine is a linguistics PhD candidate who studies Tibetan; she might be able to assist with Wikipedia-related translation issues once in a while. Brianyoumans (talk) 15:27, 5 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

Hi, Tibetologist. I've wound several discussion threads on several talk pages in to one called: "One language, a number of dialects" on Talk:Tibetan languages. Please, if you can get the time, would you like to follow it there. Best wishes. Moonsell (talk) 11:06, 15 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

Hi Tibetologist,

I think it might be a good idea to have an article on Tibetologist Dieter Schuh (nl) here in English too. He is Emeritus Professor in Bonn, Germany, and was cited here several times in articles yet[2]. I've seen him working on articles here as a user in English but he is mainly writing in German, with specializations like Tibetan mathematics, astronomy and other science that is greatly interesting and very worthwhile. So, if you happen to have some spare time, it wouldn't be bad at all to have him in English too. Just a hint. Take care and best wishes, Davin (talk) 17:08, 22 April 2010 (UTC)Reply

Thank you! Good work you have made on Wikibooks, I saw. Very nice! Best regards, Davin (talk) 07:26, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

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Hi Tibetologist,

Recently you talked about a Tournadre system of transcription. Do you happen to know an on-line source where I can find this system? It may be something I can comply to as well. Thank you in advance. Davin (talk) 05:34, 26 July 2010 (UTC)Reply

I think I have found the right one yet: it states there that it's developed by David Germano and Nicolas Tournadre. Thanks anyway. Davin (talk) 17:13, 27 July 2010 (UTC)Reply

What about the transcription of Dieter Schuh (actually meant for German). Is that close or still not optimal? He uses it for the tibet-encyclopaedia.de of his institute as well. ~~

I actually see that [Songtän Gampo is not written with "ä" either. Davin (talk) 15:09, 28 July 2010 (UTC)Reply

Schuh is actually not active anymore on Wikipedia. He introduced his transcription there and changed all the articles into it. This lead to an edit war of people that preferred the Chinese names of cities/regions which finally cost German Wikipedia several good contributors, alas, inclusive of Schuh. If you'd like, you can still reach him by Wiki-mail though. Davin (talk) 12:23, 31 July 2010 (UTC)Reply

Davin, I had been working (intermittently) on a comparison of romanisation systems here, in the hopes that it might someday help form a consensus on a Manual of Style for Tibetan. After seeing your comment here, I finished up the column for Tournadre, at least, so you can refer to that. There's probably a more user-friendly way to present this material, but the basic idea is that you eliminate any silent letters and then spell what remains according the column marked "Tournadre". The main difference between the Tournadre and THDL systems is that THDL simplifies the spelling of several elements that are ostensibly confusing to Western readers: to wit, "ä" and "e" are both spelled "e" (or "é" at the end of words), and "th", "ph", and "tsh" are spelled "t", "p", and "ts". These have been distinct sounds in Tibetan all along. Also, THDL does not distinguish "bh"/"dh"/"gh"/"jh"/"dzh" from "b"/"d"/"g"/"j"/"dz". These pairs were originally the same sounds in classical Tibetan, but they have become distinct in the Lhasa dialects. I hope this information will prove useful.—Nat Krause^{(Talk!·What have I done?)} 00:53, 3 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

Glad you asked! Tibetan Phonetic Roman Spelling is a thought experiment I had, which basically says, what if we dropped all of the historical precedents (primarily Wylie, but also Hanyu Pinyin in the case of the PRC system) and tried to transcribe all the features of so-called Standard Tibetan — the two-type stop system, four tones for monosyllablic words, eleven phonemic vowel qualities, vowel length, nasalisation, etc. — without the use of digraphs. The result might be seen as a cautionary tale, since few would be inclined to use spellings that result, such as Çū́bu for Tshurphu or Pü̃́zô’ for Phüntshog. There may be some questionable assumptions made about phonology — for instance, when the [ʌ]/[ɔ]/[ɛ̈] series would occur as opposed to the [a]/[o]/[e] series, or that [ɛ̈] is distinguished from [ɛ]~[æ] (which contradicts what Tournadre and Sangda Dorje say) — but that isn't really the point, which is in fact to get an idea of what would happen if we thought a little too far out of the box. Actually, four of the columns on that page represent my thought experiments, but TPRS is the most radical.—Nat Krause^{(Talk!•What have I done?)} 03:26, 4 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

On Dutch Wikipedia I have come to a certain kind of transcription that is close to German Wikipedia, with some adaptations for Dutch. For your knowledge, see:

• nl:Lijst van Tibetaanse namen: initially translated from German, later the list was rewritten in both of the two languages. It may be welcome to have an English equivalent of that lemma too...?
• nl:Overleg:Lijst van Tibetaanse namen (talk page)

I guess I've developed a kind that is very close to THDL, which may not be phonetic enough for the two of you. The reasons for my choices are as follows: I tried to come to a transcription that is close to the Dutch language, is used greatly in English literature on Tibet, can be found by Google and gives an indication of the sound in Tibetan. The last objective seems to lay very much in the systems the two of you prefer. The reason that I left out all the aches, is because Dutch language knows many loan-words (from English, but also from several languages more). A reader might raise the question whether "ph" is to be pronounced an "f" or an aspirated "p"?

I'm not a student/scholar of Tibetan though, but realized that I should standardize Tibetan names on Dutch Wikipedia, to avoid a lot of work later. So I may be mistaken in some cases. I would be please if the two of you could provide me with some comments on my work. Thank you in advance, if you will. Kind regards, Davin (talk) 16:13, 11 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

Hey,

I think we might be able to come to a wording that indicates that Sino-Tibetan is a theory that Sinitic is the most divergent of the Tibeto-Burman languages. Within that theory, though, Tibeto-Burman is a valid genetic node. — kwami (talk) 05:17, 22 October 2010 (UTC)Reply

"Sino-Tibetan" is historically just the French name of "Tibeto-Burman", so its use in French is not relevant to English naming. It was adopted into English specifically for a classification where Sinitic is a primary branch, with TB being restricted to a second branch of not-Sinitic. Van Driem, for example, uses TB as the name for the entire family exactly because he does not accept the ST theory of Sinitic as a primary branch. So, going at least by these sources, TB may include or not include Sinitic, depending on POV, but ST by definition includes TB as a primary division of it. The question then is not whether Sinitic is a primary branch of ST, but whether the ST theory is correct, rather like arguing whether Indo-Hittite or Niger-Kordofanian are correct rather than whether Hittite and Kordofanian are primary branches of those proposals. If a proposal is rejected, the solution IMO is to return to the name that predated the proposal: Indo-European, Niger-Congo, Tibeto-Burman. All the details of classification are handled at Tibeto-Burman for precisely this reason, with Sino-Tibetan covering that theory in particular. — kwami (talk) 06:45, 22 October 2010 (UTC)Reply

Perhaps, but French scholars use 'Sino-Tibetan' to refer to 'Tibeto-Burman' also when they write in English. This use of the word 'Sino-Tibetan' is just as much a part of the literature as the useage by Matisoff. I would be confortable with a wording such as "'Sino-Tibetan' predominantly refers a hypothesized language family of which Sinitic and Tibeto-Burman are primary members, but can secondarily be usedinterchangeably with 'Tibeto-Burman (q.v.)" or something like that. Tibetologist

For the Proto-Tibeto-Burman language article, instead of simply deleting everything, I'd recommend looking up the info in Matisoff's 2003 PTB Handbook and make corrections to the sections instead. Deleting the Verbs section seems quite reasonable to me, but I don't see why the Sound Changes section should be completed removed. The info from the Sound Changes section was taken directly from Matisoff's book, which describes the sound changes as a "continuum of final stop and nasal preservation that we may roughly break down into four stages." I've put the section up again as "Preservation of stops." If you think the section is irrelevant or contains wrong info, then please add cleanup or dubious tags or discuss the issue on the article's talk page before actually deleting the section. — Stevey7788 (talk) 21:00, 14 December 2010 (UTC)Reply

How about "sound patterns" then. Matisoff didn't observe any specific laws for the Sino-Tibetan language family, but he certainly did notice many patterns. Also I do not completely support Matisoff's PTB system or completely endorse his reconstructions. The article has just started, and I'm using info mainly from his 2003 book in order to get things going. It's the only book on PTB I have access to right now, and I'll be looking up other sources if I get the time to do so. — Stevey7788 (talk) 21:52, 14 December 2010 (UTC)Reply

What are some representative publications from Gong Hwang-cherng? I know there's "Han zang yu yan jiu" in Chinese but that's about it. — Stevey7788 (talk) 22:08, 14 December 2010 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your edit, it makes sense, on that note, i would like to ask you to take a look at the map i have just made to see if you find any glaring errors. You seem like the right kind of person to ask this to, as i am trying to add a few more key Tibetan cities on it,can you tell me which were the major cities during the Tibetan empire? Had Shigatse and Gyantse been founded yet? I've been trying to find the founding dates for some of the major Tibetan cities but im having trouble doing that. (Javierfv1212 (talk) 20:59, 30 March 2011 (UTC))Reply

A while back, I posted a new proposal for Tibetan naming conventions, i.e. conventions that can be used to determine the most appropriate titles for articles related to the Tibetan region. This came out of discussions about article titles on Talk:Qamdo and Talk:Lhoka (Shannan) Prefecture. I hope that discussions on the proposal's talk page will lead to consensus in favour of making these conventions official, but so far only a few editors have left comments. If you would be interested in taking a look at the proposed naming conventions and giving your opinion, I would definitely appreciate it. Thanks—Nat Krause^{(Talk!·What have I done?)} 16:27, 2 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Hi! I wrote about that before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_Tibet/Archive_2#The_History_of_the_Qiang_people

There is nothing about the Qiang tribes in the History of Tibet (- Wiki) article! Can't we say that they were the Proto-Tibetans? My sources (Eberhard, Gumilev, the footnotes of The Book of Han, etc.) say: The Qiang people were the Tibetans. and they say: the Qiang people were the allies of the Xiongnu people.

& in that article there is nothing about Tibet-Burma, Tibet-Bhutan connections... Where did the Tibeto-Burman languages come from then?

& no mention of Former Qin (351-394), Later Qin (384-417) (Can't we say that they were Qiang-Chinese states?); Later Liang (386-403)(Di-Chinese state), Western Xia (Xi Xia / Tangut), Tuyuhun Kingdom (Xianbei + Tibetan state) Weren't they the Tibetans? -Here I'm talking about "the Greater Tibet" (Tibet and parts of Sichuan, Qinghai, Gansu, Yunnan) Who were living in these lands during the Qin Dynasty?

& I want to learn your opinions about the Quanrong people and Di (ethnic group)... (Weren't they the Proto-Tibetans?)

Tibet : Is it a Turkic name? "Tüpüt" (Old Turkic) = Tibet, "töpü"(Old Turkic) = hill, "tepe" (Turkish) = hill ; so Tüpüt = "the land of mountains"?

Wiki says: "Tibet" names in European languages are loanwords from Arabic طيبة، توبات (Ṭībat or Tūbātt), itself deriving from Turkic Töbäd "The Heights" (plural of töbän) / Is it true?

& I want to say the History of Tibet did NOT begin in the 7th century! Regards Böri (talk) 15:10, 8 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

in French: Les Chinois mentionnent les Tibétains, auxquels ils donnent le nom de Kiang ou de Si-Kiang (Kiang occidentaux), depuis le règne d'Ou-Ouang 1122-1116 av. J.-C.). / Kiang = Qiang & Si-Kiang = Xi Qiang

from this site: http://www.cosmovisions.com/ChronoTibet.htm

also from internet: Tibetan History begins with the incursions of Tibetan K'iang in Central China when Buddha was living in India, / It is said there that the T'u-fan people originated from the K'iang, / in language at least, to the Tibetans: the Ch'iang (K'iang), / The Tibetan used to be called Ch'iang / Originally, the Tibetan people, made up of the Ch'iang tribes / the northeast Tibetan dialects of the Ch'iang Tibetan tribes ... etc. Böri (talk) 15:15, 12 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

I asked Christopher I. Beckwith about the Qiang people... (I don't like to write other people's messages but) he says: "...As far as we know, the earliest Ch'iang (Shang dynasty) were probably Indo-Europeans. The Chiang (Chou dynasty, Warring States) were probably the Ch'iang, and still Indo-Europeans. The Ch'iang from the Han period on were probably Tibeto-Burmans, of whom one or more people might be identified with the Proto-Tibetans, ..." Böri (talk) 08:50, 16 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

Interesting personal communication. I'm an interloper here and not a terribly knowledgeable one, at that, but I wanted to say that Beckwith's comment makes sense in the context that "Qiang" pre-20th century was not a precise name for a discrete group of people, but seems to have been applied generally to various peoples that lived in the same area or that the Chinese perceived to have something in common. Modern-day "Qiang" is a set of peoples defined by linguistic relatedness (thus there is an ostensible "Qiangic" branch of Tibeto-Burman), not identical to the pre-modern term. The proto-Tibetans would perhaps have been among the various peoples identified as "Qiang", although it's not clear to me that they were in the right region to be seen as Qiang. In any event, this certainly doesn't necessarily mean that the proto-Tibetans spoke a Qiangic language in the modern linguistic sense — P.S. - Beckwith's idea that the early so-called Qiang were Indo-Europeans is fascinating. P.P.S. - I'm going to try to get the Beckwith dissertation on inter-library loan, but, if that doesn't work, I'd appreciate your help finding it..—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 15:28, 16 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

Beckwith discusses his idea that the Qiang were indo-europeans in his new book 'Empires of the Silk Road'. Tibetologist (talk) 23:25, 16 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

but he also says: "...The Ch'iang from the Han period on were probably Tibeto-Burmans, of whom one or more people might be identified with the Proto-Tibetans,..." / You can ask this! Böri (talk) 08:56, 17 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

Is ther eany evidence that any Qiang group was in any way related to the Tibetans? If so, what is this evidence? Those are my questions. Beckwith answers them in his PhD. Tibetologist (talk) 19:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

I'm a Turk. Today I found the Turkish version of 'Empires of the Silk Road' (İpek Yolu İmparatorlukları). I'm very happy! :) He says: "...The Ch'iang from the Han period on were probably Tibeto-Burmans, of whom one or more people might be identified with the Proto-Tibetans,..." Have you asked this? Böri (talk) 12:23, 22 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

Tocharian loan words in Old Chinese: https://openaccess.leidenuniv.nl/bitstream/handle/1887/2683/299_040.pdf?sequence=1

klank = "vehicle" < kleng (PIE)

Christopher I. Beckwith says: Qiang / Ch'iang < Klank = "The Charioteers"

klank in Tokharian means "to ride , go by wagon"

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(Yes, it's an Indo-European word but that doesn't show that the Qiang people were Indo-Europeans! The Turks also use many Indo-:: European words... That doesn't show anything!)

Beckwith also says: "...As far as we know, the earliest Ch'iang (Shang dynasty) were probably Indo-Europeans. The Chiang (Chou dynasty, Warring States) were probably the Ch'iang, and still Indo-Europeans. The Ch'iang from the Han period on were probably Tibeto-Burmans, of whom one or more people might be identified with the Proto-Tibetans, ..." Böri (talk) 10:42, 26 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

Not everyone agrees with Beckwith of course. The many of the -kl clusters in Old Chinese are now reconstructed by Baxter and Sagart as uvulars, so 羌 is now reconstructed *C.qʰaŋ. This contradicts the etymology which Beckwith postulates. But in any case, indeed some of the Qiang in the Han dynasty _might_ be Proto-Tibetans. (Although we would need to say more explicitly what we mean by that.) But it would not be sensible to claim that they are without some evidence. Do you have such evidence? And back to what I said earlier, what would even constitute evidence of this? Tibetologist (talk) 11:34, 26 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

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Hi. I integrated Tournadre into the article, and merged Central Tibetan. Please help if you can clarify the red links. I suspect that Dhromo may be Tromowa, for example. We should at least know whether they are covered by an ISO code (as a dialect of another language) or if they are unaccounted for. (Also, is Lunana considered a dialect of Dzongkha?) — kwami (talk) 02:04, 2 September 2012 (UTC)Reply

I believe you're interested in coming to the Dunhuang project event - it'd be great to see you there. Do you know what day you're likely to visit on? If you can let me know a couple of days in advance I can arrange a security pass.

One of the other things we're looking at is images. The IDP has a very large collection of manuscript and artefact images, as well as a lot of site photographs, historic material from expeditions, etc. We're hoping to upload a lot of this during the week, but if there's anything specific you'd like to request, please let me know and we'll bump it up the list.

Thanks, and looking forward to seeing you next week! Andrew Gray (talk) 12:08, 19 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

I'll be going on Thursday as well, probably late morning and afternoon, so hope to see you there. BabelStone (talk) 18:36, 19 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

Great. Could you drop me an email with a name for your pass? andrew.gray bl.uk. Thanks! Andrew Gray (talk) 22:41, 21 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

A quick reminder - could you email through a name for the pass? We'll need to get you through security & into the office... Andrew Gray (talk) 10:32, 24 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hi Tibetologist, on Dutch Wikipedia I have listed Russian and Japanese tibetologists on the Tibet Project overhere, nl:Wikipedia:Wikiproject/Tibet#Russische en Japanse tibetologen (ru en ja). The transliteration is in Dutch and there is an interwiki to the article in Russian and Japanese. I can't read those articles, but if your interested in writing articles on some of them ìf you can/like that are nice to translate into Dutch as well ;-) I would appreciate viewing an English version of your hand one day top. Keep on going! Best regards, Davin (talk) 16:58, 2 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

 

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We might be able to improve the PTB article together sometime soon, which now has just Matisoff's POV. Oh well, at least STEDT is out now. — Stevey7788 (talk) 14:01, 31 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

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Dear Tibetologist, many thanks for your many contributions. Kindly consider to fix the link to Wang Zhizhi which seems to link to a current sports personality, who I rather do not think is the author of classical books. Also, the link to wikisource does not lead to the correct entry on zh wiki from en wiki. As a matter of consideration, but this may be interpreted differently by editors, notability on zh wiki and en wiki may be different. A guideline I take for myself is how much coverage on a topic there may be in the target language. All editors work in good faith and there may be different view points. However, I do not think calling another editor a j**k as you did in Special:Contributions/Tibetologist, falls within Wikipedia:Etiquette. Jake Brockman (talk) 12:07, 22 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

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An article you recently created, Book on Vessels, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Mccapra (talk) 19:13, 13 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

An article you recently created, Heinz Schuster-Šewc, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Mccapra (talk) 19:36, 9 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

 

The article Françoise Robin has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Lack of secondary sources. Unclear notability.

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Hello, Tibetologist. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Book on Vessels".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! UnitedStatesian (talk) 06:46, 14 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for contributing this article -- I've promoted it to mainspace for you; you can continue to edit it at Book on Vessels. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 09:02, 14 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

An article you recently created, Chu sanzan jiji, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:44, 24 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

 

Hello, Tibetologist. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Heinz Schuster-Šewc".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:03, 9 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

I decided to undelete and accept it, on the basis of meeting WP:PROF by the publications plus the honorary degree. Please be prepared to show the publications important, by finding reviews, in case there's an argument at WP:AFD. DGG ( talk ) 20:40, 30 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

 

A tag has been placed on Cao Xian (scholar) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a real person or group of people that does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 21:50, 2 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

 

The article Lengqie shizi ji has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

There have been no citations for this article, with a tag dated August 2012 saying that citations need to be added. There is no indication that this printed work meets either WP:GNG or WP:NB, so it should be deleted for failing to be significant.

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The article Zhiyuan fabao kantong zong lu has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

There are no sources in the article (and there have been none since August 2012). I cannot find any, either. This fails WP:GNG and WP:NB, so I believe that this should be deleted.

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The article Cao Xian (scholar) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Fails to meet WP:GNG by failing to be covered in-depth by multiple, independent reliable sources.

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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 04:41, 3 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Kwamikagami has been changing all numerical Chao tones into tone sticks in articles on East and SE Asian languages, which I strongly recommend against doing. This is the equivalent of converting IAST into IPA on all Indo-Aryan articles.

However, we have now settled on creating a template for tonal East/SE Asian languages, like Template:IAST. We just need a key mapping all MSEA/Sinologist characters to IPA. Your input would be appreciated at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Languages#IPA tones. Lingnanhua (talk) 00:18, 10 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

 

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Sam van Schaik, to which you have significantly contributed, is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or if it should be deleted.

The discussion will take place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sam van Schaik until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

To customise your preferences for automated AfD notifications for articles to which you've significantly contributed (or to opt-out entirely), please visit the configuration page. Delivered by SDZeroBot (talk) 01:02, 3 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Françoise Robin is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Françoise Robin until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Boleyn (talk) 14:10, 9 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

 

A tag has been placed on Neolinguistics, requesting that it be deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion, by which pages can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly-defined criteria, then it may soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are:

• It is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. (See section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.
• It appears to be about a person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), individual animal, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. (See section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) Such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. ThePorgieBaggins98 (talk) 04:12, 11 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

This may not hold up at AfD without sources to show the term is generally accepted in the profession by other people than the one who proposed it. DGG ( talk ) 20:36, 30 August 2021 (UTC)Reply