User talk:Phantomsteve/Archives/2013/August

You closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fahd Salih Sulayman Al Jutayli as "delete". I request you follow the example of some other administrators, and (1) make this a redirect to Saudi detainees at Guantanamo Bay; (2) restore the full revision history and talk page.

Thanks Geo Swan (talk) 08:50, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I have created the redirect, however I do not see an advantage in restoring the revision history/talk page when the article itself does not exist - he has a 2-line mention on the page. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 09:44, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

1. Restoring the revision history allows contributors to find the references the article used, making it possible to re-use those references in other articles;
2. New references can emerge at any time. Notability is cumulative. Very few individuals' participation in a single event lifted them to notability -- all by itself. For almost all the individuals we consider notable their notability was established by considering all the factors which contributed to their notability. So, when new references emerge, that add another factor that helps establish that individual's notability, it is very helpful to examine the previous history, to make a judgment as to whether the new information is sufficient to push that individual over the boundary into notability.

Other administrators have told me they can't follow a suggestion I made. I suggested redirections be protected from editing by anyone but administrators. They told me protection was only supposed to be in response to vandalism. If you are concerned that your close will be subverted, and the existence of the revision history will be used to restore the articles to article space, without any meaningful improvements, and you don't share the concern over when administrators are authorized to protect material, go ahead and protect the redirect from editing.

Two weeks ago a newbie did take two redirects, and wrote weak and unreferenced articles. Here is the note I left them. I have no interest in wasting everyone's time introducing, or re-introducing, material that is likely to be deleted, or deleted again. Geo Swan (talk) 17:56, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Phantomsteve! You may not remember this close, as it was from May 2012. You closed as a merge to another article. In July 2012, a relatively inexperienced editor did almost the exact opposite - they redirected the destination article to the nominated article, and removed your merge tag from the nominated article. This was only just recently discovered. I have since reverted the redirected, and I have restored the merge tag as I do not believe any edits have happened in the intervening period that address the AfD concerns. I did want to bring this to your attention, though, as you were the closing admin, in case you had a different view. Singularity42 (talk) 12:05, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Singularity42 - thanks for letting me know. Now we just need someone to do the merge! I'm back at work tomorrow, but if I get a chance to look at it next week when I'm next off, I'll see what I can do! Regards, PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 11:56, 28 August 2013 (UTC)