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  Hello, BobaTea. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Team Fortress 2 Classic, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:

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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicizing, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. – Joe (talk) 10:04, 4 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi there. I appreciate you reaching out. I don't think my edits count as COI, at least in the traditional sense.

I don't receive payment, have not signed any agreements, and opportunistically contribute to an unorganized, semi-open project.

The most I have done to the page in question recently is undo vandalism carried out by various IP accounts. I would suggest the page be protected against IP accounts, as this continues to happen.

Thanks. - BobaTea (talk) 18:13, 4 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

A conflict of interest, as our policy defines it, is any external relationship you have with the subject of an article. It does not have to involve money (though if it does, the extra requirements for financial COIs kick in). If by "opportunistically contribute to an unorganized, semi-open project" you mean that you are a contributor to Team Fortress 2 Classic, this is a conflict of interest, so please follow the guidelines summarised above. – Joe (talk) 20:06, 4 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi. I am really curious as to what makes this different from any other open project. This is akin to saying editing the article for Wikipedia or an open-source project falls under COI because you contribute to them directly. Thanks. - BobaTea (talk) 20:18, 4 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes. There's no difference. We of course have to make an exception for Wikipedia or it would be impossible to have an article about it. – Joe (talk) 03:54, 5 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Interesting. I am curious as to what edit I've made recently falls under COI, why, and what I should be doing about it, because that has not been made clear. It is worth noting that this is a project I contribute to in my spare time and I am not under any obligation, do not "own" the project, and am not paid to contribute or write articles for it. Thanks. - BobaTea (talk) 04:03, 5 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Additionally, the only contributions I have made to the article in the last year have been undoing vandalism (headed by someone whose edits arguably fall under COI more), so I'm not really sure what sparked this or why you are coming to me about it now. - BobaTea (talk) 04:10, 5 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

That is not vandalism, it is clearly someone trying to correct what they believe to be factual errors. Therefore, all of your edits are subject to the COI guideline and the exception for reverting "unambiguous vandalism" does not apply. According to that guideline, you should either stop editing the article or, if you continue to do so, follow WP:COIEDIT: disclose your COI and make edit requests rather than editing the article directly.

I'm raising this with you now in my capacity as a functionary in response to an off-wiki report. – Joe (talk) 05:01, 5 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

The user's edits still also fall under COI per what you described about the guidelines, meaning they should adhere to the same standard. I am just one of several users to revert edits by said user, namely for inserting false information that reads more like personal tangents about woes they have with the project, hence I have reason to believe it is vandalism. - BobaTea (talk) 05:09, 5 October 2024 (UTC)Reply