Talk:Value City Arena
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References
editThere are no citations or anything in this article, so I listed it as needing improvement. I'll try to make some time in the next few days to work on improving this article--if anyone else is able to improve it and properly cite the info being used then go for it. — Alex—Go Bucks! 20:50, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
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Requested move
edit- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:08, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Jerome Schottenstein Center → Value City Arena — The full name of the arena is the Value City Arena at the Jerome Schottenstein Center. This article primarily focuses on the arena and not the athletic center. The Schottenstein Center consists of the Value City Arena, OSU Hall of Fame, Fred Taylor Room and the Geiger Lounge. The conundrum of the situation is local press will refer to the venue as Value City Arena, however, national and/or international press will refer to the center as a whole when speaking of the venue. My recommendation is to move the article to its appropriate title focusing on the arena. Or, the article means to be rewritten with the center (as a whole) to the primary focus with a mention of the arena. Itsbydesign (talk) 15:46, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
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Notable Concerts
editThere are 75 concerts listed under "Notable events" but this seems like the entire list of concerts at the venue. These should be notable per WP:NOTE. Without a reference, none of these seem notable. Could an editor with knowledge of some of these bands determine if their appearance at the venue is worthy of inclusion or needs to be culled? Rwalker (talk) 15:03, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- I found this list of suggested criteria for notable events at a venue from the Events at Madison Square Garden page:
- a first-ever or last-ever performance by an artist/team/etc.
- a record-setting or award-winning performance (i.e. sports championship, record-setting length of performance)
- controversial
- charitable
- newsworthy for reasons unrelated to the event itself
- non-conventional use of the venue (i.e. political)
Seeing as how all but one event is cited, I'll cull the rest until they can be shown as notable. Rwalker (talk) 14:40, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Page move October 2014
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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below; as noted here, the Wikipedia:Requested moves process is not generally a venue for considering the appropriate contents of a preexisting article. Dekimasuよ! 20:08, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Value City Arena → Schottenstein Center – The more common name of the building appears to be "Schottenstein Center" from primary sources while secondary sources seem fairly split JonRidinger (talk) 15:47, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
I see that this page was previously moved from Jerome Schottenstein Center back in 2011, but it appears WP:COMMONNAME favors Schottenstein Center as well as the overall scope of the article (referring to the facility as a whole and not exclusively to the seating bowl).
- The arena's own website is http://www.schottensteincenter.com/ and that is the term used as the page title in browser tabs.
- Ohio State's facilities page uses "Schottenstein Center" for the short name while the article on the building uses the full name "Value City Arena at The Jerome Schottenstein Center".
- In a recent box score, ESPN uses "Schottenstein Center" at the top, but "Value City Arena" in the game recap. For Ohio State basketball games, the box score uses "Value City Arena"
- The game recap from the Cleveland Cavaliers uses "Schottenstein Center" as does the box score from NBA.com.
- On Google, "Schottenstein Center" had about 299,000 results, while "Value City Arena" had around 113,000.
- The Columbus Dispatch uses "Value City Arena" in an article on the Cavs-Bulls matchup, but a previous article uses the term "Schottenstein Center". In searching their articles, they seem to use the two terms fairly interchangeably.
- The Cleveland Plain Dealer uses Schottenstein Center here, while this article uses "Value City Arena". --JonRidinger (talk) 15:47, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- Comment Well I think it comes down to what the article is talking about. If it is talking about the Arena itself the current name is the correct one. If it is talking about The Scottenstein Center which includes more than just the Arena then that is the appropriate name. -DJSasso (talk) 17:10, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- Comment The article is very much incomplete as it is anyway, so moving it to Schottenstein Center will remove any doubt as to whether the remainder of the facility should be included (it should be included). The reality is, even if this article was specific just to the seating bowl, having a separate article for the overall facility would be redundant and they'd end up merged anyway. It's similar to any other facility that has the seating bowl or playing field named for separate people or corporations. --JonRidinger (talk) 22:45, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose. These are two subtly different topics, and while it's not altogether clear which should be the scope of this article long term, it seems to me more likely to be the arena than the building. More important, that's the current focus of the article. See discussion. Andrewa (talk) 18:54, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Discussion
editThere are, long term, three options:
- Split the article, and have one on the building and one on the arena.
- Keep the article as is, on the arena, and create a section on the building as a redirect target for the building name if the building is sufficiently notable for a section but not for an article.
- Rescope the article to be on the building, and create a section on the arena if it's notable enough for a section but not an article, again with a Redirect to section.
Only in the third case is a move warranted, and it seems the least likely. But in any case, cross that bridge when we come to it.
The first step, for either that case or for the split, is to create a section on the building itself. At present the article contains very little on this. Only when this section contains enough information to consider a move or split do we need to consider a move.
If, on the other hand, there's not a lot of encyclopedic material on the building anyway, but the arena is most commonly referred to by the name that more properly refers to the whole building, then the current setup is perfect, in terms of reader experience... which is our bottom line. And I'm suspecting that our guidelines need tweaking to make this clear. Andrewa (talk) 19:06, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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