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editI have searched extensively to no avail, but if anyone has any data on the physical properties of sinews (elasticity, strength, etc.. ) please add Rgambord (talk) 05:27, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I reinserted the comment about tendon as food and added where it is eaten and a link to a recipe (if anyone is game to try it). I find the texture too much like glue myself.....Lystrablue 03:16, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I also read that in Chinese medicine, they used deer "sinew" as a form of traditional medicine--Scott (scworden1976@yahoo.com).
"Sinew" includes tendon, fascia, ligament, structural cartilage, and depending on context, can include braided hair and treated strips of hide and intestine. The distinction is not trivial. It still might deserve its own entry.
I ate tendon & other sinew such as fascia, ligament, and structural cartilage. I suspect its edibility has a lot to do with nutritional need (See pica), & the cook's skill. Its toughness varies widely, depending on the physical and physiological condition and genetics of the donor (i.e.: American veal vs wild ostrich).
Wikidity (talk) 20:16, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
i hate tendons
Are tendons tougher than ligaments?
RE: The trivia notation: RE the "Other information" section which I found very informative: perhaps it could be partially renamed "Uses made of Tendons" or something similar in meaning. I think a certain amount of this excellent quality of "trivia" will make Wikipedia a better quality resource and a better experience for most users. Rather than having "trivia discouraged", perhaps the warning should state that "Further classification of trivia sections is encouraged." or something more positive. One reason for rephrasing these warnings in a more positive way is to encourage more participation even by novices. 74.215.29.115 (talk) 11:36, 3 January 2008 (UTC)Glenn
RE: Structure Section. The first four paragraphs of the "structure" section might very appropriately be set off into their own section called "chemical composition" or "chemical structure." Also I would suggest moving this new section further down the article. To the average reader it's discouragingly technical; I have a feeling that people who want more basic information will lose confidence in their ability to absorb the subject matter.
Oh, and I like Glenn's suggestion above. Some flags really are so negative that they make novice editors not want to commit their edits to the page. :) Katharine908 (talk) 12:14, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please verify "the fibrils then assemble further to form fascicles, which are about 10 μm in length with a diameter of 50-300 μm" It states the width as 5 to 30 times the length, which seems incorrect. Perhaps the width is meant to be in nm, or the length is meant to be in mm or cm? Black.jeff (talk) 21:20, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
For first paragraph under heading titled "Healing" the section which mentions pain that is burning/on fire. Reference: www.frankenfoot.wordpress.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Professor Plum (talk • contribs) 21:47, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Right, tendon muscle connect muscle to bone. Sports can increase the muscle fibres, for instants rugby players will have a large tendon muscle as its is appart of the rountine in fitnes training. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.184.191.218 (talk) 16:27, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
- Muscle is actually a different tissue to tendon so there is no "tendon muscle" in the way that you seem to be suggesting (although I believe it's possible that they can be viewed as a unit from a biomechanical perspective). Properly structured and implemented training does seem to have a beneficial effect on tendon but I doubt that it substantially increases tendon size. Ka Faraq Gatri (talk) 17:57, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
- IIRC, it's somewhat unclear the effects of training on tendons, whether in humans or animal models. Some studies find evidence of diameter change, others don't. Some find differences in stiffness, others don't. Even more confusing, *unloaded* tendons can show training effects. Suffice to say, it's still an area of active investigation, and dollars to donuts the answer will be really complex. Mokele (talk) 00:56, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
I have come to the Tendon article as part of the GOCE's May backlog elimination drive. However, the Healing section took me into something more complex. While I tried to copyedit that section, I noticed that the terms there may be too technical or jargon such that it becomes difficult to understand. Is it appropriate to continue copyediting, add the {{Technical}} tag, or just remove those things that makes it puzzling? Thanks in advance, Japanese Rail Fan (Talk) (Contributions) (Public log) 10:01, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
- Japanese Rail Fan I haven't done a full check but at least some of this content appears to be very close to a journal article [1]. --LT910001 (talk) 10:49, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
- @LT910001: It looks like a mere paraphrasing in some parts of the text. Then would that section instead win a {{more footnotes}}, {{medref}}, {{original research}}, {{close paraphrasing}}, a tag from Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup#Verifiability and sources, or a simplification only? Japanese Rail Fan (Talk) (Contributions) (Public log) 11:07, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
- I am not sure. It may be that the journal article based its content off what is here. Can you ask at GOCE about if there are any tools available or editors experienced in getting to the bottom of this? --LT910001 (talk) 04:49, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
- The Article Blamer tool can help determine when and by whom content was added. For example, it shows that the text "cytokines may be released by tenocytes", which is found in both places, was added to our article on 28 May 2009. Since the journal article was published early in 2012, I think we can be fairly confident that Messrs. Angela Notarnicola and Biagio Moretti copied their content from us, and not the other way round. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:06, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
- I am not sure. It may be that the journal article based its content off what is here. Can you ask at GOCE about if there are any tools available or editors experienced in getting to the bottom of this? --LT910001 (talk) 04:49, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
- @LT910001: It looks like a mere paraphrasing in some parts of the text. Then would that section instead win a {{more footnotes}}, {{medref}}, {{original research}}, {{close paraphrasing}}, a tag from Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup#Verifiability and sources, or a simplification only? Japanese Rail Fan (Talk) (Contributions) (Public log) 11:07, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
- Comment OK, so please be patient: could anyone please tell me why the plagiarism/paraphrase flags have not been removed after nearly a year, when it seems pretty plain that they are inappropriate? I fully understand the importance of monitoring plagiarism, but the requirement for technical terms to be used together in certain contexts, plus the question of who copied what from whom, makes it a serious matter to assign the responsibility in the absence of proper evidence. I am certain that my experience is not unique in that repeatedly, when I personally have written some text, saved it, and immediately afterwards gone to google to seek pointers to certain relevant material, either that I find my own words, typed minutes before, appear at the top of the search, or that I find erroneous material that I had just removed, not only appearing in the google search, but also in in books that had copied it without attribution perhaps a year or two before..JonRichfield (talk) 19:06, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
The first link of this article doesn't work
editTendon truma
editWhen a wrist tendon is experiencing Truman from past sport. Is it possible for a tendon infection to occur or inflammation of the tendon. Is there a disease or a tendon that is specific to the wrist. Round the thumbs? Is there a name not taken (talk) 11:25, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Technical linguistics - extracellular matrix
editLinguistically based minor question. If tendon fibres are considered extracellular matrix, being that 'matrix' is usually defined to be stromatic in nature, are tendon fibres considered to be the matrix of tenocytes, or of muscle (or even nerve or general body) cells, being as they provide structure/support to those cells? Tendon fibres certainly aren't stromatic to tenocytes.
(This is for the sake of extremely detail edits; eg. 'extracellular matrix of tendons' being replaced with 'extracellular matrix in tendons', but requires a common stance.) Gewath (talk) 10:22, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
Spam at bottom of page
editThere is some kind of weird spammy message showing at the bottom of the page, to the effect of "check out this new product". But when I go in to edit the page, I can't find it anywhere. Can someone with a better understanding of how Wikipedia works behind the scenes look into this and try to clean it up? Egpetersen (talk) 21:41, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- It's on dozens of pages (try searching for "check out this new product"). Well spotted! I don't know how to remove it either. Dondervogel 2 (talk) 22:45, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- Well, how very strange--it's gone now, and no recent edits since December. What a mystery... --Egpetersen (talk) 18:15, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
List of Tendons(and total number of Tendons in the Human body)
editAccording to https://southernhillshospital.com/about/newsroom/framing-within-our-bodies and https://newsinhealth.nih.gov/2014/06/protect-your-tendons there is 4000 tendons?? or do they have like larger groups that we can group them into? - How often does it change how many Tendons there is in the human body, every few 100 years or so? - if not more often then that. The list sould be pretty static for a while? and it would make sense to maintain it manually - or is there databases for Humans Tendons somewhere from which one could pull data with a script?
The sources used for the following table is:
- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2100202/
Would it make sense to try and make a compleate list of Tendons Ala:<templatestyles src="COVID-19 pandemic data/styles.css" />
| Name | part of the human body | Function | Composition |
|---|---|---|---|
| Teres minor tendons | Shoulders and Arms | Rotator cuff tendons at the shoulder | collagen (mostly type I collagen) and elastin embedded in a proteoglycan-water matrix with collagen accounting for 65-80% and elastin approximately 1-2% of the dry mass of the tendon(see: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11085557/) |
| Infraspinatus tendons | Shoulders and Arms | Rotator cuff tendons at the shoulder | |
| Supraspinatus tendons | Shoulders and Arms | Rotator cuff tendons at the shoulder | |
| Subscapularis tendons | Shoulders and Arms | Rotator cuff tendons at the shoulder | |
| Deltoid tendons | Shoulders and Arms | help bend the elbow or rotate the forearm | |
| Biceps tendons | Shoulders and Arms | help bend the elbow or rotate the forearm | |
| Triceps tendons | Shoulders and Arms | help bend the elbow or rotate the forearm | |
| Brachioradialis tendons | Shoulders and Arms | Help bend the elbow or rotate the forearm | |
| Supinator tendons | Shoulders and Arms | Help bend the elbow or rotate the forearm | |
| Flexor carpi radialis tendons | Shoulders and Arms | help bend the wrist | |
| Flexor carpi ulnaris tendons | Shoulders and Arms | help bend the wrist | |
| Extensor carpi radialis tendons | Shoulders and Arms | help bend the wrist | |
| Extensor carpi radialis brevis tendons | Shoulders and Arms | help bend the wrist | |
| Iliopsoas tendons | Hips and Legs | bend backwards and forwards, and when you swing your leg while walking | |
| Obturator internus tendons | Hips and Legs | bend backwards and forwards, and when you swing your leg while walking | |
| Adductor longus, brevis and magnus tendons | Hips and Legs | bend backwards and forwards, and when you swing your leg while walking | |
| Gluteus maximus | Hips and Legs | bend backwards and forwards, and when you swing your leg while walking | |
| gluteus medius tendons | Hips and Legs | bend backwards and forwards, and when you swing your leg while walking | |
| Quadriceps tendons(patellar tendon/ patella) | Hips and Legs | bend or straighten the knee include | |
| Hamstring tendons | Hips and Legs | bend or straighten the knee include | |
| Sartorius tendons | Hips and Legs | bend or straighten the knee include | |
| Gastrocnemius tendons | Hips and Legs | cross the ankle joint and help move your foot up and down, or side to side | |
| Achilles tendon | Hips and Legs | cross the ankle joint and help move your foot up and down, or side to side | |
| Soleus tendons | Hips and Legs | cross the ankle joint and help move your foot up and down, or side to side | |
| Tibialis anterior tendons | Hips and Legs | cross the ankle joint and help move your foot up and down, or side to side | |
| Peroneus longus tendons | Hips and Legs | cross the ankle joint and help move your foot up and down, or side to side | |
| Flexor digitorum longus tendons | Hands and Feet | help you move your fingers and toes | |
| Interosseus tendons | Hands and Feet | help you move your fingers and toes | |
| Flexor digitorum profundus tendons | Hands and Feet | help you move your fingers and toes | |
| Abductor digiti minimi tendons | Hands and Feet | help you move your fingers and toes | |
| Opponens pollicis tendons | Hands and Feet | thumbs can move toward and away from your other fingers | |
| Flexor pollicis longus tendons | Hands and Feet | thumbs can move toward and away from your other fingers | |
| Extensor pollicis tendons | Hands and Feet | thumbs can move toward and away from your other fingers | |
| abductor pollicis tendons | Hands and Feet | thumbs can move toward and away from your other fingers | |
| Flexor hallucis longus tendons | Hands and Feet | bend and straighten your toes | |
| Flexor digitorum brevis tendons | Hands and Feet | bend and straighten your toes | |
| Lumbrical tendons | Hands and Feet | bend and straighten your toes | |
| Abductor hallucis tendons | Hands and Feet | bend and straighten your toes | |
| Flexor digitorum longus tendons | Hands and Feet | bend and straighten your toes | |
| Abductor digiti minimi tendons | Hands and Feet | bend and straighten your toes | |
| Ocular tendons | Head, Neck and Torso | eyes, eyelids and jaw | |
| Levator palpebrae tendons | Head, Neck and Torso | eyes, eyelids and jaw | |
| Masseter tendons | Head, Neck and Torso | eyes, eyelids and jaw | |
| Temporalis tendons | Head, Neck and Torso | eyes, eyelids and jaw | |
| Trapezius tendons | Head, Neck and Torso | move your head and neck | |
| Sternocleidomastoid tendons | Head, Neck and Torso | move your head and neck | |
| Semispinalis capitis | Head, Neck and Torso | move your head and neck | |
| splenius capitis tendons | Head, Neck and Torso | move your head and neck | |
| Mylohyoid | Head, Neck and Torso | move your head and neck | |
| thyrohyoid tendons | Head, Neck and Torso | move your head and neck | |
| Rectus abdominis tendons | Head, Neck and Torso | twist and turn your body, maintain your posture, or bend and straighten your trunk | |
| External oblique tendons | Head, Neck and Torso | twist and turn your body, maintain your posture, or bend and straighten your trunk | |
| Transversus abdominis tendons | Head, Neck and Torso | twist and turn your body, maintain your posture, or bend and straighten your trunk | |
| Latissimus dorsi tendons | Head, Neck and Torso | twist and turn your body, maintain your posture, or bend and straighten your trunk | |
| Erector spinae tendons | Head, Neck and Torso | twist and turn your body, maintain your posture, or bend and straighten your trunk |
As well as maybe a kind of naming convention for what we put into each field of the table as well as how we format it?
| Column | Explanation | Formatting |
|---|---|---|
| Name | the name of the Tendon in Latin | include/exclude Tendon in the name??? |
| part of the human body | Where it can be found in the human body | ???? |
| Function | What is its purpose in the body | ??? |
| Composition | An overview of the materials that the tendon is bade of | Ideally given in %? |