Talk:Silambam

I tried a rudimentary cleanup, though it would be nice to see some images in the article. 59.94.103.15 18:52, 3 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

You do not remove items if it looks ugly to you. If I took that attitude, then I would be removing all the Kannadiga pages. Wiki Raja 20:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for being so forthright in admitting your prejudice against Kannada/Kannadigas. I, perhaps, couldnt have expected anything better from you. As for watermarks, watermarks in pics on Wikipedia is frowned upon. It can even be grounds for deletion of the image. To me, any watermark on images in wp is 'ugly' because it goes against the spirit of open source and WP. Sarvagnya 21:59, 2 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

Firstly, I have never shown any prejudice towards Kannadigas. However, I have seen in most of your postings straight forward prejudice and name calling of Tamil people, and not just towards a few people, but the whole ethnic group. As in your words you have condemned the whole Tamil population in a couple of your posts, so don't play victim. Second, what I call ugly on Kannadiga pages is the immature postings on the talk pages, or should I say fight pages, not Kannadiga people. So, don't twist my words around. Lastly, watermark in pics goes against Wikipedia policy or your policy? Wiki Raja 23:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

Can someone clean up the English on this page? It is not up to WP standards. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.192.203.25 (talk) 04:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC).Reply

 

Wiki Raja 10:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

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Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. Community Tech bot (talk) 21:37, 25 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

@2409:4073:390:3A91:458C:C6B4:DEF7:614F (talk · contribs): My mistake, I meant to say you've added unsourced content also added unreliable sources. This reference is an article for an event, Not reliable. can you explain why you've added WP:OR and claimed it as sourced in your edit summary?. - SUN EYE 1 17:20, 5 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Your original reason for reverting was it was "unsourced" and "OR", both of which are false. It is cited in the source. It is only NOW you are making new allegation that it is an unreliable source. That is government website, how is an event article unreliable. Okay, let's assume that is unreliable for argument. What about the other sources you blatantly reverted inexplicably. Even if fitindia.gov.in is not considered the other two ([1][2]) cites it, which are independent RS. 2409:4073:4E16:C7F7:BC12:9786:5703:9AA6 (talk) 18:53, 5 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Explain how the sources support these statement you added in the lead "Silambam is a weapon-based Indian martial art originated at Kurinjimala (Kurinji hills) in modern-day Kerala in the Indian subcontinent."

Fit india says Silambam is a weapon-based Indian martial art from Tamil Nadu, but also traditionally practiced by the Tamil community of Sri Lanka and Malaysia. It is closely related to Keralan kalaripayat and Sri Lankan angampora. It derives from the Tamil word silam meaning “hill” and the Kannada word bamboo from which the English “bamboo” originates. The term silambambu referred to a particular type of bamboo from the Kurinji hills in present-day Kerala. Thus silambam was named after its primary weapon, the bamboo staff. The related term silambattam often refers specifically to stick-fighting.

Page 23 in this source mentions nothing about kerala SUN EYE 1 19:12, 5 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

• Suneye1, you have missed it. Every chapter starts with "Explanation", "Date of Origin", "Founder", and Place of Origin mentioned at the top of each chapter. For Silambam at pg.23 it is "Kurinji Hills, Kerala, India". Look again.
• Of course, FitIndia does not use "originated" in verbatim. But you can understand from the semantics of the text. Silam is hill, bam for bamboo, hill is Kurinji. This source also discuss the same.
• [3] says Silambam may have earlier primarily been associated with self-defence or to ward off animals in Kurinji Hills in present day Kerala, but it has evolved largely in the modern day context and is now also seen as a recreational sport.

No one is saying it's not a martial art of Tamil Nadu, just pointing its origin is from Kurinjimala. FYI, according to historians, Kurinjimala was also the earliest inhabited region by the people of South India (Tamilakam). 2409:4073:291:53B3:618E:3087:4C60:7E1A (talk) 15:09, 8 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for coming to discuss. I did not remove what you had added to the "Origins" section, but I have to disagree with you on the lead.

• Sorry, i cant understand how this from the fit india event could support the lead sentence - The term silambambu referred to a particular type of bamboo from the Kurinji hills in present-day Kerala. Thus silambam was named after its primary weapon, the bamboo staff. That point could violate WP:SYNTH.
• The third point is a suggestion, still doesn't say about origin
• Yes, my mistake, the first source does mention kurunji, Hills kerala but its opposed by,

• This source from Sportskeeda opposes the origin The state of Tamil Nadu is considered to be the cradle of modern and scientific staff fencing, popularly known in Tamil as Silambam.
• This reference from Brittanica says Silambam developed in Tamil Nadu in southern India. Opponents fight using bamboo sticks.
• This source published by Hachette says With it's origins in Tamil Nadu, Silambam is a part of fencing which was patronzied by the pandya kings of the region.
• This source published by Greenwood Publishing Group says The state of Tamil Nadu in south India seems to be the birthplace of Silambam.
• This source from Outlook India says Just across the border in Tamil Nadu, supposedly 5,000 years ago, Silambam was formed. The martial art form is believed to be established by Sage Agastya. The term was founded by merging Silam (hill) and the Marathi word bam (bamboo), literally translating to bamboo from the hill. . This source credits the word to Marathi language.
• This source from Deccan Herald says Originating some 3,000 years back in ancient Tamil Nadu, documented by Rsi Agastya among others, with its earliest documentation discovered so far being Kambu Sootram in Silappadikaram and other Sangam literature, and patronised by Chola, Chera and Pandya kings, Silambam is the mother and the most ancient of the world's martial arts

There is yet a number of sources which mention the origin of Silambam to Tamil Nadu. I agree that the term could have come from from the type of bamboo from Kurinji Hills in Tamilakam, present day kerala, which is already in the Origin section. But most of these high quality sources distinctly points it's origin to Tamil Nadu, so the WP:WEIGHT is on this side. SUN EYE 1 17:41, 8 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

• Sportkeeda source does not says about the origin, just like you said about The Economic Times and FitIndia sources.
• Brittanica: "development" and origin are different. Of course, it might have developed into the present form in TN.
• Greenwood Publishing Group: it's also a "suggestion" like you said (uncertainity) – "believed to be". You "misrepresented" the source with seems to be.
• Outlook India: "across the border in Tamil Nadu"? And it talks about the "legend" of Agasthya, that's not historicity.
• Deccan Herald: "ancient Tamil Nadu" also contains Kerala 3000 years back. Too vague.

So there's not much of a WEIGHT. 157.44.157.242 (talk) 10:14, 9 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

• Did you see the Hatchette source? With it's origins in Tamil Nadu, Silambam is a part of fencing which was patronzied by the pandya kings of the region.
• The Outlook India says the "martial art form is believed to be established by Sage Agastya", It does not speak of it as a fact.
• Ancient "Tamilakam" included Kerala, not Tamil Nadu. Explain how is that vague.
• Where is the source for this edit? SUN EYE 1 14:26, 9 December 2020 (UTC)Reply