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Latest comment: 2 months ago by 2601:49:8400:392:F87F:40C9:D833:6AAD in topic Why Socrates and not Aristotle (as it should be)?

Help with a syllogism

Hello guys. I made a syllogism and i am asking your help to improve it.
Als following the rules of wikipedia - can i post the conclusion of a syllogism in an article?
Please have a look - the editors of the page dont agree with me and i dont trust them - i would like to hear a second oppinion.

Criticism of the Federal Reserve

Thanks, Alextoader (talk) 10:29, 2 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Wrong predicate logic version of Barbara syllogism (and possibly others)?

The picture for the Barbara syllogism formalizes it in modern predicate logic as follows:
Ex: Mx & Px
Ex: Sx & Mx
thus
Ex: Sx & Px

(in words: "there is an M that's also P, there is an S that's also M, thus, there is an S that's also P"; it seems this is not even just wrong, but also false.)

It should read:
Ax: Mx --> Px
Ax: Sx --> Mx
thus
Ax: Sx --> Px

EelkeSpaak (talk) 10:07, 13 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

The bars over the top negate. not(Ex: Mx & not-Px) is equivalent to Ax: Mx --> Px. Vaughan Pratt (talk) 10:43, 13 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
Yes, the bars negate, and I know that, but not everyone will know that. I added the following text that I hope will make that clearer: "In the predicate logic expressions, a horizontal bar over an expression means to negate ("logical not") the result of that expression." Dwheeler (talk) 13:40, 3 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

Thanks

Just had occasion to refer to the article, and I want to say that I found it well organized and comprehensive - at least it covered whatever I want to know. Thank you for the article. You know who you are. Mp1233 (talk) 21:50, 22 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

I agree, this Syllogism article was really helpful. Thanks everyone Dwheeler (talk) 13:40, 3 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

Which source was used for the existence statements in their predicate logic forms?

Some of the syllogisms include a third required existence statement when expressed as predicate logic. For example, statements like   (note the lack of an "and"). THANK YOU, whoever included that information!! However, I'm trying to track down the source for those existence statements. Which source specifically provided the third existence statements? There are a lot of sources & it's not obvious which one was used for that. Thanks. Dwheeler (talk) 13:26, 31 August 2016 (UTC)Reply

strict logic by Walther Brüning

Hello!

I already have written in German Wikipedia; There is a german logician (Walther Brüning), who is able to explain syllogistik in a ("strict") "mechanical" way, like a calculation. It is nearly as easy as the calculation used to be in truth tables. I made a tutorial about it (1 hour [and with at least one mistake]). The book of Walther Brüning ("Grundlagen der strengen Logik") is only available in German (it is also on google books). The reason why i write this here is, because his thinking about syllogistic would change half of the article and this change I dont dare now. I would be curious about your opinions.

Tutorial: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2esURv_dtBk&vl=en old, broken link, new one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuB_vAPrUvA --123qweasd (talk) 16:57, 29 October 2019 (UTC))Reply

--123qweasd (talk) 17:09, 14 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

nevermind. Maybe i will write an article about strict syllogistic in german wikipedia 123qweasd (talk) 16:49, 16 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
Maybe I will dare it though --123qweasd (talk) 09:45, 3 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
Have a look please, at my simplified Venn diagrams and reduction to short list of 7 essential syllogisms, all others are trivial modifications. The aims could be similar. hgwb 20:42, 3 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skeptiker (talkcontribs)
I wrote an article in german wikipedia: strenge Logik. Sorry, but i dont understand, why there should be exactly seven syllogisms. For any questions about strict logic you can ask me. Here is a short introduction (again): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2esURv_dtBk&vl=en 123qweasd (talk) 13:36, 12 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
For those who are interested: Here a version of an old attempt to change the article, redirects to section "Strict syllogistic": Syllogism (from 21.May,2018) # Strict syllogistic 123qweasd (talk) 15:51, 20 May 2019 (UTC)Reply
A project of a python-application to train strict syllogism [1]--123qweasd (talk) 08:57, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Creationism is not an argument it is a view

There is a clear difference. No source calls it an argument.,Apollo The Logician (talk) 18:53, 31 May 2017 (UTC) Apollo The Logician (talk) 18:53, 31 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

Stoic syllogistic

The statement is made that "In antiquity, two rival theories of the syllogism existed: Aristotelian syllogistic and Stoic syllogistic" but then only Aristotelian syllogistic is described. I know nothing about this, but could some put in at leas a single sentence to describe the alternative, Stoic syllogistic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.69.175.42 (talk) 00:23, 30 July 2017 (UTC)Reply

Simplified Venn Diagrams For Syllogisms And Reduction To Seven (7) Essentially Distinct Syllogisms.

The three-circle Venn diagrams for the Syllogisms are much too complicated (absurdly so). As a retired maths prof and logician/philosopher, I would NEVER use the ones shown now in one of my classes. Below, I submit examples of vastly simpler Venn diagrams, or Euler diagrams — geometric "proofs" — with two twists or clarifying devices:

hgwb 22:12, 8 November 2017 (UTC) hgwb 12:17, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

I took the liberty to put this long section in a box. See also v:Talk:Syllogisms for context. Watchduck (quack) 00:37, 4 August 2020 (UTC)Reply

Why Socrates and not Aristotle (as it should be)?

Can anyone tell me why a bust of Socrates is shown on the page, rather than Aristotle's? Thanks--80.147.11.76 (talk) 10:41, 25 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

I'm guessing the picture goes less with the page and more with the example ("All men are mortal. Socrates is a man. Therefore Socrates is mortal.") 2601:49:8400:392:F87F:40C9:D833:6AAD (talk) 02:48, 20 September 2024 (UTC)Reply