Talk:Lojong

To glassFET: You'll notice that this is in the Wike Project 'Buddhism'. I see absolutely no benefit in not having it in the 'Buddhism' category. As I said before, the article is crying out for substantive additions by people who actually know something about the subject matter, but not for this kind of stupid and pointless dinking around. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.229.11.118 (talk) 06:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

Please read the notice on Category:Buddhism, which reads "This category may require frequent maintenance to avoid becoming too large. It should list very few, if any, article pages directly and should mainly contain subcategories. Articles in this category should be moved to subcategories where appropriate."

I'll leave it to you to correct your error. GlassFET 16:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

NB: the following book is amongst a suite of 200 Tibetan texts to be published in English, series title "The Library of Tibetan Classics":
Mind Training: The Great Collection By Gźon-nu-rgyal-mchog, Dkon-mchog-rgyal-mtshan (1388-1469), Thupten Jinpa (2005/2006)
Source: [1] (accessed: January 31, 2008)
B9 hummingbird hovering ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

I started a subheading that is the same as this article in the Tibetan Buddhism article. The subheading is called "Motivational Training". (Of the various words for "mind" in Tibetan Buddhism, lo in lojong has the connotation of motivation.) Then I realised it is here already.

These are the subheadings I was going to use there:

• lineages of motivational training - origins in sutra, Bodhicaryavatara, etc - Kadampa, prominent exponents
• features of motivational training
• method of motivational training

Does anyone have a view on this? Does anyone object to "motivational training" being added to the translation of "lojong", as well as the usual "mind training"? Are there things about lojong that are not motivational training?

Moonsell (talk) 11:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

Is it possible to convert colloquialisms to plain English? "Paranoia" is not in my thesaurus and the dictionary meaning surely is not what we intend in this article. "Ego trips" is not in my dictionary and I don't understand it. (I am using the Oxford concise dictionary.) Moonsell (talk) 04:29, 5 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

I agree that the some of the wordings should be changed. The source from which the Lojong slogans were taken (http://lojongmindtraining.com/sectionSummary.aspx?sectionID=0) is not a especially credible one. The Nalanda Translaition Committee offers a much clearer interpretation of the texts. I believe the word paranoia has already been changed, as I cannot find it in the article --Russot1 (talk) 04:56, 13 October 2010 (UTC)Reply

The root text should be changed to the the translation provided by the Nalanda Translaition Committee. It should also be numbered instead of bulleted to offer ease in finding specific slogans. The slogans in the root text are consistently reffered to by their numbers in Lojong commentary books including 'The practice of Lojong: cultivating compassion through training the mind' and 'Training the mind: and cultivating Loving-Kindness' by Trungpa --Russot1 (talk) 04:56, 13 October 2010 (UTC)Reply

I cleaned up the verses as they appear here. Another editor, Emptymountains has reverted with the comment: "rv back to wording from the website cited; this list is a direct quote..." We can't clean up the website cited but we sure need to clean up our own act.

Most important parts of my cleanup (apart from punctuation and consistency of pronouns):

• "Stay in the primeval consciousness, the basis of everything." Changed "primeval", which sounds a bit savage, to "primordial", one of the traditional terms used.
• "Turn totally away from all your ego trips." (unencyclopedic language) Changed to: "Turn right away from all your delusions."
• "Don't be sneaky." Changed the colloquial "sneaky" to "underhand".

Could Emptymountains or anyone else please say why the wording reverted to is so sacrosanct. If my substitutions are not the best, fine, please provide better ones. We definitely need to change these things. Moonsell (talk) 11:42, 6 April 2010 (UTC)Reply

Since it is a direct quote, I would recommend either finding another source with more encyclopedia-friendly wording, or at least putting any changed words in brackets, e.g. "Stay in the [primordial] consciousness, the basis of everything." Emptymountains (talk) 12:15, 6 April 2010 (UTC)Reply

This article discusses the Seven Point Mind Training as though it is the only Lojong text and doesn't discuss other texts such as Eight Verses for Training the Mind, or Wheel of Sharp Weapons. The article really deserves some work to make it more clear that Lojong is based on more than just this one text. If I get some free time I might take a crack at it in a week or so.Felixfelis (talk) 20:55, 30 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

thanks, felix. that really bugged me too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.36.81.14 (talk) 08:25, 10 August 2011 (UTC)Reply

Im finding there is no page on taking and giving decribing how it can heal and how it heals mental and physical afflictions. Also there is the history of Geshes going to the houses of the sick and performing ritual prayers. Then there is the practice of Amitayus that averts and Im sure that has stories of people near death fully recovering. I have been to the wiki pages on spiritual healing and all it talks about is christianity and how jesus healed the blind etc. There is nothing on other religions. I believe this page should be developed with a section exclusively about healing and then linked to other spiritual healing pages Eternalricemuncher (talk) 09:45, 25 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

This page has been modified to de-link all non-NKT (the so-called "New Kadampa Tradition") links and de-emphasize all non-NKT references. Sad, really. What NKT does is exactly the opposite of what this page, the Lojong page, is trying to get us to understand. Hopefully, the NKT fans will read the Lojong and receive liberation because of it. --Pfstevenson32 (talk) 23:19, 1 July 2013 (UTC)Reply