Talk:List of comics creators
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Comic Strips, Comic Books, And A Separate Article For Writers, Pencilers, Inkers, etc.
editWhat's the difference between a "comics creator" and a "cartoonist", the only difference I can think of is that "cartoonists" would also include creators of "cartoons", such as Gary Larson, Dan Piraro etc. (Ie having only one single panel)
So this is just for comic books, one would not expect to find Charles M. Schulz here? Should there be a seperate List of comic strip creators article? Not that I'm volunteering to do that. =o) - Eisnel 11:51, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I's does think we should separate comic strip creators, and comic book creators, because while the odd person has done both, they are generally fairly different, like Manga is to Western Comic Books, although maybe a bit more extreme. Anybody agree with me here? Also, who put Bob Loblaw in the list? Guy is a made-up character from Arrested Development, and personally I think that kind of addition is really bad for Wikipedia. But then, if he does exist, I should like to know too, along with there being reference for him, of course. Oh, by the way, I organized this page better, so if yer gonna add anything, make sure to either include a title or add to something already here. And I didn't mean to put this at the top, but I couldn't seem to separate the titles into their own sections otherwise. Jjmckool 00:40, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
If nobody disagrees with me or Eisnel on a separate article on Comic Book Creators, and Comic Strip Creators, I would like to separate them. If nobody dsagrees within, I don't know, a week or two, I'll just separate them. I'd like to create a list for the different production levels too, like I said, but that would take me a lot longer. Jjmckool 00:55, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
historieta, muñequitos etc.
editCurrently translation of "comic book" in resp. languages, but should be removed imho or replaced with translation of "comic creator" in resp. languages. Phlebas 23:58, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
Redlinks
editSomething else: I personally prefer to have every author linked, even if that creates redlinks. This way, it is immediately clear who hasn't gotten an article yet (and so perhaps isn't notable enough for inclusion here, or what work is still left), and once the article is created, you don't have to check back to make all mentions of him/her into wikilinks. My reasoning is that either you are listed here because you are noteworthy, and then at one point or another an article has to be made, or you are not noteworthy, and then you should be thrown off the list. Fram 14:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- same here =) frbarba 17:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- But several cartoonists with short, "common" names will link to other topics. We'd need to go over suspicious entries manually, and add for instance (cartoonist)| (comics artist)| or something, if the links are incorrect. 惑乱 分からん 16:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Names and creations
editMight it be an idea to invert the creators names? eg: "Miller, Frank" as opposed to "Frank Miller."
- Yes, it could be done Lvr 14:03, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
- Is there a consensus (silent or not) to have the authors listed as Doe, John (instead of John Doe)? Secondly, is there a consensus to add the best known creation(s) of each creator after his name. Finally, if this is the case, do we list them as "creator of", or do we list them as "author of" and "artist of" (which solves the problem of people like Franquin who have continued a serie (Spirou et Fantasio), instead of creating it)?
I'm willing to do all three (second and third only for those I'm familiar enough with), but only if this is seen as the correct way to proceed. Fram 14:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
well i just noticed that some of the names listed here have the characters they created or description as to what they've known for, while the others dont so cant we just make them all plain names instead? afterall, those people who already have articles have its complete bio in them, theres no need to put their created characters, etc just plain name list, to make the article look clean frbarba 17:11, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Origin
editShouldn't we split into origin, the same way it is done for List of comic books ?
Besides, British authors shouldn't appears here, as well as Japanese ones, as there are specific pages for them British_comic_artists and Mangaka Lvr 14:03, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
- Reconciling British comic artists and List of comic creators seems tricky. After all, Dave McKean, Dave Gibbons and Alan Davis have all been very active and popular in American comic books (never mind Neil Gaiman, who is a Brit but who now lives in the US). I would argue that the Brit list should be e merged into this list, and divided up strictly by country of origin. On the other hand, Mangaka should probably be kept separate since manga is often regarded as a somewhat separate entity from western comics. -mhr 16:59, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
- Yes, I think that merging those two lists is a good idea. Who goes ahead with it ? Lvr 08:55, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
- I agree this makes sense, and suggest that a non-geographic heading for "English-language creators" be used rather than something clunky such as "Australia, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand, U.K., U.S." Tenebrae 12 Sept. 2005, 1:16PM ET
I merged several lists of authors: this one, the British one and the Franco-Belgian one. Altough there are a couple of authors I don't know the origin country. Could some one move them accordingly ?
Spiegelman was born in Stockholm, but no one thinks of him as a Swede, because he has lived most of his life in the USA. He should be listed among the Americans.
- I've moved Spiegelman from Sweden to USA and Bilal from Serbia to France. Helldjinn 12:39, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- I don't really agree with those moves. The page states that the list is ordered by country of origin. If Spiegelman is often considered as American, what about guys like Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, ... They are English authors, although they are considered by many as US authors, due to their huge role if US comics literature. Furthermore, for Bilal. He has never hidden his Yugoslavian/Serbian origin. So even, if he has published most of his works in French and has liven in France most of his live, I definitely think he should stay in the Serbian section. Lvr 12:57, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- For Spiegelman, there's a difference between his case and British writers who lived part of their lives in UK, publish there and in USA. According to Art Spiegelman, he IS American. He's an American born in Sweden from Polish parents. And honestly, if someone wants to find Spiegelman in this list, will he look at "Sweden" ?
- For Bilal it's different, he's born in Yougoslavia, a country that do not exist anymore. Should he be placed in Serbia ? He's never lived there ! This case is complex.
- I personnaly think that these authors should be sorted by their current nationality, that is, the nation they feel the closest with. In that way, Spiegelman would be back an American, and Bilal back a French. If you sort them by origin, then every american author should be placed in the Country their ancestors came from, the origin is just a bit further.Helldjinn 15:14, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- I disagree, I think they should be ordered by their immediate origin, as in where they are from, not where their entirely family comes from because if you use that system of thought then they could be ordered by where every family comes from, either Adam & Eve, or the center of the universe, whichever are your beliefs. It's not a philosophy debate, if you want to say they currently reside somewhere else, then you can add that in their article when you edit or write it. Jjmckool 18:00, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
- I don't really agree with those moves. The page states that the list is ordered by country of origin. If Spiegelman is often considered as American, what about guys like Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, ... They are English authors, although they are considered by many as US authors, due to their huge role if US comics literature. Furthermore, for Bilal. He has never hidden his Yugoslavian/Serbian origin. So even, if he has published most of his works in French and has liven in France most of his live, I definitely think he should stay in the Serbian section. Lvr 12:57, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Cuban creators
editI guess it's all good, but how come there are so many cuban cartoonists on this list? Seems like someone has a huge interest in cuban comics...
Hmmm, well, I guess the list is good, but there should be links to several of the greatest cuban cartoonists. For now, there is only a list, with no real links containing any info. Hopefully, the guy who put up the list, or some other cuban/hispanophone will write some bios later. I am myself a rather big fan of comics, and know some about a big lot of the examples from other countries, but I have no idea about any of these many cuban examples.
Todd Mcfarlane was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, by the way.
- With all respect to Cuban comic-book creators, this page is an incredibly long scroll and is over the optimal K size Wikipedia recommends, and I wonder how useful it is to have a laundry list of well over a hundred Cuban creators with no individual entries? There are countless, say, US comics creators who have written/drawn a few issue of this or not but do not have a sufficient body of work to warrant an encyclopedia listing. The vast majority of this Cuban-creator list appear to be virtual unknowns (certainly, not well-enough known that knowledgable people have written entries for them). Let's open this for discussion: Should this page, rather than give these laundry lists, link to entries for these various regions' comics creators? That might be more useful than a single entry with hundreds and hundreds of names. Thoughts? Tenebrae 12 Sept. 2005, 1:25PM ET
- Or possibly split up the page into sub-pages for all the different countries. Btw, the only one of these Cuban cartoonists I have heard about before was Antonio Prohias, and I guess he could be considered a nativized American, by now.
- There definitiely should not be so many Cubans on the list. I think the best solution would be, as someone suggested, to create pages for each country. Bot that I'm offering to do it rst20xx 21:06, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
- We could start with the Cuban page, anyway, keeping only Antonio Prohias here, since he is the only one who is internationally known. 81.232.72.53 21:34, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Item is solved: Cubans have their own separate page, as the Americans and the Japanese. Page size is down to a reasonable 30k now. Wim van Dorst 23:19, 14 January 2006 (UTC).
Several list issues
editI started making edits to the list to address some issues.
- If there's a separate list for a given country, it's not necessary to reproduce it here (constituting a content fork/duplicate). Including a subset is very rarely called for as it winds up as a poor substitute for the main article or WP:OR to determine the "most important" subset.
- Lists of people shouldn't have non-notable individuals. This almost always means that we should have an article about a person before including his or her name in a list. (WP:LISTPEOPLE, WP:CSC, WP:NOT, etc.). Having a notable comic does not make someone notable as notability is not inherited.
- To glance at a given section, the foreign language translations at the top look like a mistake to someone who doesn't know that language. As it's not part of the list of comics creators but rather a function that should be served by the various language-specific Wikipedias, I think these should probably go (Wikipedia is not a translation tool, after all, and would typically just include such a thing when it's the name of a work, say). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:55, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
Overlap with list of cartoonists?
editAny thoughts on the extent to which this list overlaps with list of cartoonists, which includes cartoonists of comic books and comic strips? Seems very similar, given there is a separate list of animators. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:57, 5 March 2017 (UTC)