Talk:ISO 4217

I can confirm that ARY does in fact refer to the Argentine peso ley. Here's my exchange with the Publications Office of the European Union to confirm. For context, this refers to the list of currencies they publish, which formerly included a bunch of additional codes that are not part of the standard (such as ARL).

Me:

I understand that you have previously been in contact with a different user as regards the ISO 4217 Wikipedia page; specifically the list of currency codes published at https://op.europa.eu/en/web/eu-vocabularies/concept-scheme/-/resource?uri=http://publications.europa.eu/resource/authority/currency.

As a result of that discussion, it appears that the code ARL for the Argentine peso ley (used from 1970 to 1983) was retired without replacement. I wanted to bring your attention to the historic code list of ISO 4217, which contains the code ARY under the name "Peso" for Argentina. Given that there have been several Argentine pesos, this naturally presents a point of confusion. However, having looked into the background of this, I am confident that it does in fact refer to the peso ley.

I have checked both the 1978 and 1981 editions of ISO 4217. Argentina was given the currency code ARP back in 1978 (though the first edition did not assign currency names), and again in 1981 with the currency name "Peso". Crucially, however, that this did not change in 1983 when the peso ley was replaced by the peso argentino. Argentina's currency code only changed in 1985, when the peso argentino was replaced by the austral (ARA). It appears that during this period, the ISO sometimes neglected to assign new three letter codes when a country replaced its currency, and that this practice only tightened up once the 1990 edition was released, at which point the ISO retrospectively designated currency codes for the older currencies that had become ambiguous.

For example:

1. The 1981 edition assigns Israel the currency code ILS under the name "Shekel". The latest edition assigns ILS to the Israeli new shekel, but this was only introduced in 1986. Between 1980 and 1986 Israel used the (old) shekel, which has been retrospectively given the code ILR in the historic list.
2. The 1978 edition assigns Iceland the currency code ISK. The latest edition assigns ISK to the current króna, but this was only introduced in 1981 (making the 1981 edition ambiguous). The old króna has been retrospectively given the code ISJ in the historic list, however.
3. The 1978 and 1981 editions assign Vietnam the currency code VND, the latter with the name "Dong". The latest edition assigns VND to the current đồng, but this was only introduced in 1985. The old đồng has been retrospectively given the code VNC in the historic list.

By analogy, it therefore follows that ARY was intended for the Argentine peso ley, which was the currency in use when the 1978 and 1981 editions were released.

Response:

Thank you very much for your feedback on the historic context of the Argentine peso ley.

We have been examining the historic code lists a.o., and ARY is indeed the foreseen code for the Argentine peso ley, and a change of our corresponding authority table to be done.

Translations in all EU languages are necessary for the concept in question, therefore we will plan to have this update of the ‘Currency’ authority table ready for our publication in December 2022 (Releases - EU Vocabularies - Publications Office of the EU (europa.eu)).

Please do not hesitate to contact us further for any questions or feedback regarding the currency codes.

Thank you.

Theknightwho (talk) 15:40, 31 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Template {{ISO 4217/cite}} now has the source (definition) of the ISO 4217 codes & currencies. See its documentation for use options. This article may need a check. As a bulletlist, the sources are:

Website:

Definition files:

DePiep (talk) 13:31, 26 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

The ISO 4217 published Standard has Numeric Code for the codes. However, its definition and its usage are unknown. Does someone have any decisive description of Numeric Code? So far, in {{Infobox currency}} the Numeric is to be removed. DePiep (talk) 13:16, 2 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

I'm seeing the links repeated four times. I'm supposing there's a problem with {\{ISO_4217/cite}} in which it no longer filters correctly. Can anyone fix it?

 

ADTC ^{Talk Ctrb} 06:39, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

  Fixed. Thanks for the notification. DePiep (talk) 08:39, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

In the long list of locations for the EUR, one is given as “Kosovo (XK)”. The “XK” is not official ISO 3166-1 alpha-2, which reserves the X… for user-defined purposes. But lots of countries do use XK for Kosovo (partial list on one of my github pages). I propose to delete the “ (XK)”. Objections? JDAWiseman (talk) 20:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

The long list of locations for the EUR seems to be in a jumbled order, neither alphabetically, nor by GDP. Would there be any objections to the list being ordered as: EU; then official members ordered by GDP = DE FR IT ES NL BE AT GR PT FI IE SK HR LT SI LV LU EE CY MT; then others alphabetically either by 3166 code or by GDP. JDAWiseman (talk) 20:56, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

They seem to be almost alphabetical. Maybe make them properly alphabetical but perhaps with the EU first? I think that just means moving Åland and French Guiana. Certes (talk) 21:33, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Yes, make them properly alpha but the EU can't be in it because (a) it is not a state and (b) not all members use the euro. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 23:06, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

The EU is a pseudo-state with an approximation to a government and its own (exceptionally reserved) ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code sharing a prefix with EUR. It probably has as much claim to statehood as French Guiana, for example. I think the EU qualifies as a "location" for the purposes of this table. Certes (talk) 10:32, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

No, it is not a pseudo-state. It is not even legally a federation, despite having many of the characteristics of one. It doesn't have a government as such: it is governed by the European Council – the heads of national governments – which is like a collective prime-ministry, and by the Council of Ministers – the respective ministers of national governments responsible for each function (e.g., Environment). (The Commission is not a government, it is more a civil service.) All that is really beside the point: we can't say [without qualification] that the EU uses the euro, when Denmark, Poland, Sweden etc don't use it.

The ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code "EU" is a region code, not a country code.

Yes, it has as much claim to statehood as French Guiana – none whatsoever. French Guiana is legally part of France, just not on the mainland (like Corsica). --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:01, 3 July 2023 (UTC) [revised to add the CoM, 14:11, 3 July 2023 (UTC)]Reply

it may be more a question of expression, because the euro is the official currency of the EU. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:08, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply