Talk:Hades

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Hades is not god of the death, he is king of the dead Willowbrook the book (talk) 17:37, 5 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 20:18, 5 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Kuyabribri, the meaning of Willowbrook's message is crystal clear. He wants Wikipedia to make the distinctions that Hades was the god of the (souls of) the dead, but not the god of death. The Greek god personifying death was Thanatos, not Hades. Unfortunately for Willowbrook, we already make this distinction in the lead of the article. Dimadick (talk) 21:35, 5 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi i have found images of Hades from the 1997 disney Hercules movie. Please could you add one of them to the article.Bradley 789 (talk) 18:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

Those images are probably copyrighted. Editor2020 (talk) 16:59, 8 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

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I would like it if you could add that Hades's Hindu counterpart is Yama, I think they have enough similarities to be the same. ViDaram (talk) 19:23, 19 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

This is one source https://prezi.com/t7tyidho5mjv/hades-and-yama/ ViDaram (talk) 19:27, 19 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. You need to provide reliable sources that discuss them being the same, similar, or counterparts. An online presentation is not a reliable source. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:31, 19 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

I will repost the edits and please do not remove my edits, the fact that Hades' page has more stuff on hymn to demeter, than his own orpic hymn and other sources where he his much more characterization as you can see in the cited sources, is ridiculous in my opinion, so please don't take my edits away Dinosauro47 (talk) 19:47, 24 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Looking at the material which was removed, some of it seems to already be covered in the article in its current state. However, the parts which aren't can hopefully be reworked into existing sections. – Michael Aurel (talk) 22:00, 24 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Not all; routine poetic hyperbole like "Hades made the underworld tremble with just his voice and this feat is compared to Zeus moving heaven with a frown and twist the starry poles" doesn't have encyclopedic significance. NebY (talk) 22:08, 24 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

ok Dinosauro47 (talk) 22:12, 24 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Yes, not all, only the parts which have some direct significance to Hades. – Michael Aurel (talk) 22:17, 24 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

this was to demonstrate that he was seen as a very frightening and intimidating god in some sources.but I think I can explain it in one better way Dinosauro47 (talk) 22:45, 24 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

there are also other things that i would also like to add, the parts regarding being a god of nature and minerals is quite incomplete Dinosauro47 (talk) 22:19, 24 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

this site makes an interesting division of topics, but cannot be used by the site policy and I am having difficulty finding the sources online, do you have these sources onlineh

ttps://www.theoi.com/Khthonios/HaidesGod.html#Necromancy Dinosauro47 (talk) 22:24, 24 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

I think it would be best if you outline here what changes you specifically think need to be made to the article, so that other editors can assess them. – Michael Aurel (talk) 23:36, 24 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

man i'm just tired now Dinosauro47 (talk) 02:06, 25 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

sorry for the last edit, english is not my first language and it might sound a little immature, but i was already tired and angry in that point! I also don't like these conflicts and I think we can discuss themes and topics when it's more convenient for you. Dinosauro47 (talk) 23:32, 26 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Ok. I'm happy to discuss particular content you think should be added. Just remember, as said above, that we need to make sure what we are adding is significant enough to Hades to warrant mentioning. – Michael Aurel (talk) 01:09, 27 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

what do you that we shouldn't put back?

I think the Apollodorus quotes about the titanomachia is not necessary! Dinosauro47 (talk) 22:15, 27 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

You will need to outline the content which you think *should* be put back, so that it can be considered. – Michael Aurel (talk) 23:35, 27 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

I think we could join the part where Stabro says that Hades can heal people with the myth of Medea where he helps Jason's father Dinosauro47 (talk) 01:37, 28 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

write more about Plato Cratylus than just two lines Dinosauro47 (talk) 01:56, 28 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

join some sources that talk about life and fertility like hesiod works of days and the orphic hymn Dinosauro47 (talk) 02:00, 28 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Ok. The Strabo passage cited in the removed text is already used at Pluto (mythology)#Sanctuaries of Pluto, while the Orphic Hymn is covered at Pluto (mythology)#Orphic Hymn to Pluto, and the Works and Days at Pluto (mythology)#Hesiod. As to Plato's Cratylus, what do think needs to be added? – Michael Aurel (talk) 02:43, 28 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

I just think that two lines is too little for such an incredible text! but i'm ok now Dinosauro47 (talk) 03:08, 28 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

I thought in repeating it, for the simple fact that nobody reads the Pluto page and is possible to talk about different themes using the same sources, but ok Dinosauro47 (talk) 03:21, 28 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

I won't edit anymore, we can stop the discussion Dinosauro47 (talk) 03:25, 28 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

thinking a little better, I think I'll use the same sources to talk about different things 187.18.142.207 (talk) 12:00, 2 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

thinking a little better, I think I'll use the same sources to talk about different things Dinosauro47 (talk) 12:02, 2 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

When I started this discussion, I (clearly) hadn't had the chance to actually look through the material which was removed. However, having done so, I'm not seeing anything which I really think deserves mention here. If you think some of it does, you will need to outline what that material is, and why it is significant enough to Hades to be worthy of mentioning in the article. – Michael Aurel (talk) 12:23, 2 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

OK, no problem Dinosauro47 (talk) 13:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Further to Michael's comment, I suggest you read through Wikipedia:No original research to understand the restrictions on using sources to, as you put it, talk about different things. NebY (talk) 12:27, 2 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

https://people.sc.fsu.edu/~dduke/lectures/hesiod1.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dinosauro47 (talk • contribs) 22:52, 24 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

In mythology, under visitors in the underworld, it says Pirithous had Pirithous fed to Cerberus. I believe it should be Hades had Pirithous fed to Cerberus. 2601:804:C201:1690:71D1:DF80:D9B1:B206 (talk) 13:37, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for you comment. That sentence was not saying that "Pirithous had Pirithous fed to Cerberus", rather it was trying to say that the playwright Euripides, in his lost play Pirthous, had Pirithous fed to Cerberus. However after looking at the link given in the note, I find that this sentence is an extremely garbled and incorrect account of what the linked source says! So I've removed that sentence for now, so thanks again. I will look into trying to give an ungarbled version of what the linked source is saying. Paul August ☎ 15:58, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Do you think we should have a page for Theophile?

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he had a dog named Cerberus that was Height: 5' 6" at the shoulder. Length: 8' 10". Numbereightyfournoso (talk) 13:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)he had a dog named Cerberus that was Height: 5' 6" at the shoulder. Length: 8' 10".Reply

  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 14:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Melinoe should be put as Hades’ daughter. Civluc8 (talk) 18:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

No, she is not Hades' daughter. Instead of adding this to articles, please actually read the Orphic Hymn, which states:

I call upon Melinoë, saffron-cloaked nymph of the earth,
whom revered Persephone bore by the mouth of the Kokytos river
upon the sacred bed of Kronian Zeus.
In the guise of Plouton Zeus tricked Persephone and through wiley plots bedded her;

Or read the secondary sources cited in that article, such as Morand, or Athanassakis & Wolkow. – Michael Aurel (talk) 19:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply