Talk:GB3 Championship

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The result of the move request was: moved. Listed for over a month and unopposed, a good source has been provided about the rename. Can someone also please update the article once the move is made? Because at the moment it has no indication about the name change or why it's happened. Jenks24 (talk) 14:30, 3 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

BRDC British Formula 4 Championship → BRDC British Formula 3 Championship – The championship under the name 'BRDC British Formula 4 Championship ' never existed. It's completely @Rokonader 's invention. Corvus tristis (talk) 08:13, 2 April 2016 (UTC) --Relisted.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:20, 10 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

• Relisting comment - I am leaving a note at WT:MOTOR to gather more input into this discussion. If anyone can think of another noticeboard to notify, please do so, so we can get maximum input. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 08:20, 10 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
• Comment – I can't understand how its said it never existed. Until beggining of 2016 the series was named BRDC British Formula 4 Championship as stated here. And here are the results of previous seasons with BRDC British Formula 4 Championship designation. So the competition should be moved to the current designation (Formula 3), with a disambiguation note beteween BRDC British Formula 3 Championship and British Formula Three Championship because are two different competitions.Rpo.castro (talk) 09:10, 10 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

Look even at your sources. It always was BRDC Formula 4 Championship, never BRDC British Formula 4 Championship. Corvus tristis (talk) 09:14, 10 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

"British" in the name make all the sense. Copying the answer given by QueenCake in 2016 ADAC TCR Germany Touring Car Championship (in which you've participated): "Common name is generally a key guideline, but it is only one of the criteria we use when naming an article. If there are multiple names commonly used for the subject, or the common name is ambiguous or does not accurately describe the subject, then the naming guidelines are clear that an alternative name is preferable. To quote WP:COMMONNAME; Ambiguous or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined in reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources. ... When there are multiple names for a subject, all of them fairly common, and the most common has problems, it is perfectly reasonable to choose one of the others.".Rpo.castro (talk) 10:49, 10 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

ADAC TCR Germany Touring Car Championship was at least featured in the series logo (but it still wasn't "determined in any reliable sources"). While BRDC British Formula 4 Championship is a total improvisation that was never used, excepting this Wikipedia article. See also Formula Two/FIA Formula Two Championship articles. It's exactly the same case and it works. Corvus tristis (talk) 13:11, 10 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

I think Corvus tristis has the point on the previous name correct. The former name was simply BRDC Formula 4 Championship, which was the settled name of this article up until its recent move, and I don't see any ambiguity in the name as it clearly identifies the subject as the Formula 4 championship run by the British Racing Drivers Club.

More importantly though, is how we treat the new series in 2016. Is the BRDC British Formula Three Championship simply a rebranding of the previous series, a continuation of the former British Formula Three Championship, or a brand new series? The first option seems logical, but the upgrade to F3 status does raise questions. QueenCake (talk) 15:31, 10 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

Calling it a Formula 4 series is factually incorrect. The chassis may be a Formula 4 chassis but it's Cosworth engine is not F4 compliant. Simply, the 2016 car is not a Formula 4. The article name needs to change. It should also be pointed out that this will not be the first BRDC Formula 3 Championship as the BRDC successfully ran an F3 series in the 1960s and 70s until it was merged with the BARC Formula 3 series which eventually became the British F3 International Championship. --Falcadore (talk) 04:38, 13 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

Support Not only is BRDC British Formula 3 Championship the name featured in the championship logo (refer: here ) it is the official name of the championship as is featured all over the series website. As with the above mentioned ADAC TCR Germany Touring Car Championship, COMMONNAME should not be confused with the practice of informally abbreviating or shortening of a series name for space and/or convenience. WP:PRECISE takes precedence here, and I quote:

Usually, titles should be precise enough to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but no more precise than that. For instance, Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta is too precise, as Mother Teresa is precise enough to indicate exactly the same topic. On the other hand, Horowitz would not be precise enough to identify unambiguously the famous classical pianist Vladimir Horowitz.

BRDC British Formula 4 Championship is wrong because Formula 4 cars are not in use. Also Formula 3 is specifically written... everywhere.

British Formula 3 Championship fails precision because this is not the same series as the Formula 3 series which previously used this title.

BRDC Formula 3 Championship also fails precision because this is not the same series as the BRDC series which previously used this title and as with British F3 above, it is not the name currently in use. --Falcadore (talk) 04:38, 13 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

Updated --Falcadore (talk) 17:35, 13 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

"British Formula 3 Championship fails precision because this is not the same series as the Formula 3 series which previously used this title.

BRDC Formula 3 Championship also fails precision because this is not the same series as the BRDC series which previously used this title"

Well, Indy Lights has two eras by different organizations, and they are described as a single championship. --NaBUru38 (talk) 18:16, 15 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

Were the Indy Lights series seperated by several decades? The new FIA World Endurance Championship is not merged into any of it's preceeding ancestors despite sharing events, some teams, even the name at one point.

The old British F3 series shares only a name. Even though seperated only by one year, the regs are very different. The British F3 series was a F3 series. The new BRDC series, despite the name, is not a F3 series. The car is an F4 chassis with a bigger engine. It is not F4 or F3 legal. It is F3 in name only and not F4 at all.

The old BRDC F3 series ended in the early 70s. You'd need a TARDIS to make a connection between a 40 year old F3 series and this hybrid creation. --Falcadore (talk) 13:20, 16 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

Not forgetting that this was not even the official British F4 series, that honour belongs to MSA Formula. --Falcadore (talk) 13:20, 16 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

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