Talk:Deportivo Miranda F.C.
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The dictator Chavez also nationalized the "Deportivo Italia"
editThe last attack of the dictator Chavez of Venezuela against the Italians was made in the Venezuelan football. The dictator, who wants to even change the name "Venezuela" because comes from Venice and not from an indian name, wants to erase all evidences of the Italians in the country he has ruled for over ten years. Chavez, himself a mestizo who hates europeans, cannot allow that a team can have an Italian name in the first division of football in his homeland. So, he ordered to change - AGAINST THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY OF THE LEGITIMATE OWNERS AND AGAINST WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE RULES OF THE "DEPORTIVO ITALIA" - the name of the Italian team in that of a suburb of Caracas, called "Petare". Now suddenly the Deportivo Italia (and in a typical dictatorial way) is called "Deportivo Petare"! Please read (using google translator) what the newspaper of the Italians in Caracas wrote about: [1].--93Mutina (talk) 05:29, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Here it is an excerpt from the discussion page of Jimbo, the founder of Wikipedia, about the shameful disappearance of an annex related to Deportivo Italia:
- Hi Jimbo. I am disappointed by the abuses done in Spanish Wikipedia by administrators who are related politically to local president (I should say dictator) Chavez. One of them is Oscar [2], who has erased in a hidden and sudden way the Anexo: Historial del Deportivo Italia en la Copa Libertadores from the Sp.wiki ([3]). Is it possible to do something against these continuous abuses? I have registered my name on the sp.wiki and they quickly banned me, as they have done with other supporters of the Deportivo Italia (we are a group of Venezuelans exiled in the greater Miami area). Venezuelan topics on Spanish Wikipedia should not be in the hands of those political groups. Thanks --LegaleBDA (talk) 23:35, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
- I am another venezuelan exiled here in Florida, and I was banned in the same way by this Oscar (& his pro-Chavez group inside es.wiki). You (or someone of your staff) really have to do something against the abuses of Oscar & Chavistas: they behave like owners of es.wiki in Venezuelan articles.--Loideal (talk) 19:15, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
- Hi Jimbo. I am disappointed by the abuses done in Spanish Wikipedia by administrators who are related politically to local president (I should say dictator) Chavez. One of them is Oscar [2], who has erased in a hidden and sudden way the Anexo: Historial del Deportivo Italia en la Copa Libertadores from the Sp.wiki ([3]). Is it possible to do something against these continuous abuses? I have registered my name on the sp.wiki and they quickly banned me, as they have done with other supporters of the Deportivo Italia (we are a group of Venezuelans exiled in the greater Miami area). Venezuelan topics on Spanish Wikipedia should not be in the hands of those political groups. Thanks --LegaleBDA (talk) 23:35, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
- For the record, both users above are the same (a checkuser certified it) and belong to a sockpuppet farm for edit warrioring about a soccer team.
- So far it has been found: BDA, BdLM, Consilinario, Loideal, LegaleBDA.
- And I come here to inform you since your name has been invoked here Magister Mathematicae (talk) 22:00, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
- I live in the greater Miami area with other 3 million people. Here I have friends like "Loideal" who is a venezuelan exiled in southern Florida since 2003. I say that because I am not Loideal or the others shown above: I cannot understand what kind of certification can be given by a "checkuser" who probably is confusing IPs from the same Florida public libraries (or from earthlink, etc...). I can give my Florida driver license with photo and name showing that is different from the one of my friend Loideal (he agrees too). But the real problem here is not related to the checkuser/sockpuppet problem, but to the disappearance without any notification of the article in sp. wikipedia titled Anexo: Historial del Deportivo Italia en la Copa Libertadores. What has happened with it? User Magister Mathematicae is creating a mess with checkuser/sockpuppet problems, but he is not answering why and how has disappeared the article. He seems only interested in a cover up of his friend the chavista Oscar (and others linked to president/dictator Chavez of Venezuela), using the accusation of "sockpuppetry". But I contacted Jimbo only to denounce the abuses of Oscar & Chavistas: they behave like owners of es.wiki in Venezuelan articles, as my friend Loideal has written. (And I am happy to see that I have hit well: the reaction of user:Magister Math is the proof of it!) Wikipedia must be free, really free and topics on Spanish Wikipedia should not be in the hands of those political groups (linked to Chavez). Regards, Jimbo.--LegaleBDA (talk) 21:23, 10 December 2010 (UTC).
- For the record, as an italovenezuelan living in Ft. Lauderdale I want to write my support for LegaleBDA & Loideale. The chavista group is a shame for sp. wikipedia; admin Magistermathematicae should find what has happened with the annexo, instead of losing time with checkusers.--Qyork (talk) 16:18, 11 December 2010 (UTC)}}
- I live in the greater Miami area with other 3 million people. Here I have friends like "Loideal" who is a venezuelan exiled in southern Florida since 2003. I say that because I am not Loideal or the others shown above: I cannot understand what kind of certification can be given by a "checkuser" who probably is confusing IPs from the same Florida public libraries (or from earthlink, etc...). I can give my Florida driver license with photo and name showing that is different from the one of my friend Loideal (he agrees too). But the real problem here is not related to the checkuser/sockpuppet problem, but to the disappearance without any notification of the article in sp. wikipedia titled Anexo: Historial del Deportivo Italia en la Copa Libertadores. What has happened with it? User Magister Mathematicae is creating a mess with checkuser/sockpuppet problems, but he is not answering why and how has disappeared the article. He seems only interested in a cover up of his friend the chavista Oscar (and others linked to president/dictator Chavez of Venezuela), using the accusation of "sockpuppetry". But I contacted Jimbo only to denounce the abuses of Oscar & Chavistas: they behave like owners of es.wiki in Venezuelan articles, as my friend Loideal has written. (And I am happy to see that I have hit well: the reaction of user:Magister Math is the proof of it!) Wikipedia must be free, really free and topics on Spanish Wikipedia should not be in the hands of those political groups (linked to Chavez). Regards, Jimbo.--LegaleBDA (talk) 21:23, 10 December 2010 (UTC).
I'd like to know why admin Magister Mathemematicae (and other admin of spanish wikipedia) does not do anything about the disappearance.....--LegaleBDA (talk) 15:06, 19 December 2010 (UTC)