Talk:Chaminade High School

Like many pages you are lacking references for your page. This stopping you getting a "B". Your alumni list (unreferenced) gets you a "mid". Needs someone/a team to concentrate on improving this page. Good luck, Victuallers 10:19, 3 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Perhaps someone could spell out the state and national championships under the athletics heading.

I think that the sources for these statements is on the website. I shall edit this page tommrow to reflect this--WngLdr34 05:10, 12 November 2006 (UTC) I cleaned up the article, fixed a broken linkReply

How could Collin Finnerty possibly not be considered as notable alumni?

• Previous deletion debate

There was another Chaminade High School in Dayton Ohio, but I think it changed its name to Chaminade-Julienne after merging with the local Catholic girls school. I believe there's at least one more Chaminade HS (in St. Louis??). Any current students or recent alums care to add to this article? --Marj 20:15, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

An current Student here, There is another Chaminade in Long Beach Californa, but it does not seem notable to add at this current time. I shall rectfy that problem later.--WngLdr34 04:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Current revision as I write: Pope John Paul II has referred to Chaminade High School as the best Catholic high school in the United States for raising young men in their faith." Does he really choose favorites among Catholic high schools? Quick google check couldn't confirm this (or disconfirm, but it's so hard to believe...) The quote here originates from the first version of this article by anon IP 143.115.159.54. Assuming the article survives vfd, I'm going to delete that item a few days if nobody comes forward with a citation. Samaritan 00:54, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Or leaven it, assuming he's probably said something quite laudatory about the school that might just have been overstated. Samaritan 05:35, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

No, I'll look for a citation, but the Pope JP2 definitly said that.

Sez you. Until the info is forthcoming, this bit of PR will be deleted. Eleemosynary 10:12, 26 February 2006 (UTC)Reply

Earth Science comes before Bio. Just letting everyone know that I made this very minor edit, in case you wonder why it happened.

I don't believe any one Chaminade Man is more notable than another. Here is my suggestion, remove this section.--Ctparadise 13:06, 21 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

There seems to be a lot of confusion about this section. "Notable" does not mean in relation to all other Chaminade graduates; it refers to those who are notable in the world at large. Recently, someone put themselves in for receiving a minor class award at a US service academy. Another was for being an also-ran in a dubious sport (in an even worse example, someone tried to list this also-ran's brother in Notable Alumni, simply for being his brother!).

Here's my suggestion: we only list under "Notable Alumni" those men who meet at least one of the following criteria (they do not have to be living, or even currently-recognized figures, only to have been so at one time following graduation):

1. They are instantly-recognizable names, such as well-known celebrities, sports figures, etc. Dennehy, O'Reilly, etc.

2. They hold generally-recognized official titles such as elected officials, Chairman/CEO/President of major corporations, etc. D'Amato, Gerstner, Wright, etc.

3. They have won generally-recognized awards and/or titles, such as entertainment or sports awards, highest military honors, etc. Karopczyc, Harter, Kennedy, etc.

71.252.48.195 The Brown Brothers started the band Wheatus one of the more popular alternative rock acts of the late 1990's with several charting songs. 71.252.48.195 21:05, 17 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

• Wouldn't Luke Cummo fit under point 3? 24.191.99.78 00:19, 17 February 2007 (UTC

No, he wouldn't. He's not in a recognized sport, and he hasn't won anything...even if he had won in the "finals", it isn't a generally-recognized title/award. Info999 19 February 2007

Fine, but mixed martial arts is currently one of the fastest growing sports. Not recognized? Why don't you ask John McCain that?

• Someone vandalised the alumnis section. 24.46.123.59 00:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

I suggest adding Kevin Reilly. He has been a senior executive at four major TV networks, including President of NBC Prime Time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Reilly_(executive)

Chaminade High School is a Roman Catholic high school for young Catholic men (emphasis mine)

Are there any non-Catholic students enrolled? --131.238.207.185 21:54, 24 March 2007 (UTC) Yes, there are students who aren't Catholic.Reply

• All students are required to have been baptized under Christianity, but the school mantains a Roman Catholic "atmosphere", so to speak. Socby19 19:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)Socby19Reply

No, this is incorrect. Young men of all faiths can be admitted, but open slots go to Catholics first. This is from the CHS web site, so it should supercede all of the opinions around here:

"...priority of admissions is given to baptized members of the Roman Catholic Church. Enrollment is open to young men of all faiths as resources permit, with the priority given to Catholic students." Info999 15:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

this can be found at http://chaminade-hs.org/about_us/philosophy.jsp

Info999 02:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Upon graduation, many if not all Chaminade men drop the whole religion bullshit. After all, the school teaches young men how to cheat and fight till the death to stand at the top (and not sit on car hoods while smoking pot for it may lead to severe hemerrhoids). But hey, that is why Chaminade is the tits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.185.121 (talk) 01:43, 14 July 2010 (UTC)Reply

"Priority" is caca de vaca. Non-catholics are not admitted. Besides, there's no way a non-catholic could survive the environment anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.231.194 (talk) 11:03, 6 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Not sure if it's relevant enough to be mentioned on this page, but Newsday featured an article about CHS hiring Finnerty as an assistant lacrosse coach. Socby19 19:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)SocBy19Reply

I removed the the link to Toxic-Penguin, because SHK is the most recent, and has contains links to all other known CHS notes sites. I believe if Toxic-Penguin were to go up, you might as well add Iron Husky, because it has more data. Hey, why not add the other four as well? Oh, wait, that'd be pointless because it's too long, and SHK has links to all others. Um, I think I made my point. Socby19 15:44, 18 April 2007 (UTC)SocBy19Reply

-- And I have readded it because along with SHK, it is the only 'active' notes site as of right now. Seeing as it fulfills your other requirements, I think it is right to list it again.

These links are not encyclopedic. You would not find this kind of content in a print encyclopedia, and, therefore, sould not be included in Wikipedia. They could only possibly be of use to students at the school and not the gereral public.

Please see this article: Wikipedia:External_links#Links_normally_to_be_avoided. Pay special attention to these numbers on the list:

• 1 - They dont offer any unique info about the school.
• 3 - They seem to just be ads for those sites and one has someone's resume on it.
• 10 - At least one of them has a message board/chat room on it.
• 11 - One of them is set up as a blog and the other is on a student's (presumable) personal website.
• 13 - These links aren't about the school. Take for instance websites that allow students to give comments about teachers/classes at a specific university. They don't have anyplace here either. (<-This also applies to number one.) -NatureBoyMD 04:52, 16 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

Collin Finnerty is a notable alumnus of Chaminde High School in Mineola, NY.

Why would he be notable? Because he was involevd in a rape scandal, that turned out to be false? Just because a person is in the news doesn't make them notable. He maybe infamous but he did not achieve success in a chosen field nor do anything positive or successful, at least not yet! Dantali (talk) 19:02, 28 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

Please do not edit his name out. - unsigned comment by Special:Contributions/Alexcavaluzzo copied from other user talk page

• It is debatable whether being accused of something makes one notable. There is no article for his name, but rather a redirect to the Duke case. Surely 5 years from now, when this is no longer a nearly-current event, any claim to notability will be much less. Since he is still alive, wikipedia must be careful - thus you may not say he has been accused of rape without also mentioning he has been exonerated & is no longer officialy accused. Since he has been exonerated, it is an unfair smear to even mention rape in the article - rather a link to the Duke case would be more appropriate. Presently nothing in his entry links to wikipedia article except rape - that cannot stand --JimWae 16:19, 29 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

• That is why I removed your entry: Former Duke Lacrosse player accused of Rape. If any entry is to stand it should be more like my previous edit: exonerated former defendant in the 2006 Duke University lacrosse case. - but it is still debatable whether that makes him notable - the most notable person from this event is the DA. --JimWae 16:30, 29 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

• He was involved in a notable event - but that does not make him notable himself - otherwise, following that logic, everyone who died or was injured in the 9/11 attacks is notable enough to be included in their high school articles -- & even have articles of their own --JimWae 16:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

• There is also no justification for putting him at the top of the list - if you did any research, you could find where in the list he belonged. Everything about the way you have done this resembles a smear attempt --JimWae 16:42, 29 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

• it seems the only way to prevent people from repeatedly re-inserting libellous material (like "accused Duke rapist") is to include a non-libellous entry --JimWae 17:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

• You make it seem as though he is unkown. That is not the case. The Duke case was a notable event, and he was a notable person involved with those events. It's true that he graduated from Chaminade, and I was merely pointing it out. Even though you seem to think of it as a "smear" it doesn't make it any less true. My post is just as relevant as any other name on that list. It doesn't have to be pleasant, this is not a website promoting Chaminade. But, it is true, so there is no justifiable reason not to have his name on there. I also don't think t is very informative to sugarcoat facts. True, he was exonerated, but he was also accused of rape. I didn't write that he did rape someone or killed someone. He was accused of rape. That's a fact. So, there is no reason not to write that in the artcile. I do not care if you think it is a "smear". There's no blatant vandalism in writing the truth. If you delete it again, (and I apologize for dusting off an old chestnut) that is infringing on my first amendment rights. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alexcavaluzzo (talk • contribs).

• • One key consideration: being accused of rape does not make a person notable. If that's all we say about him, he shouldn't be on the list at all. Being one of the defendants in the "Duke rape case" is notable, in which case we should at least link to the article on it and mention their current status: exonerated. —C.Fred (talk) 20:48, 29 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

• • First of all, it's not "their current status" it's his current status. We aren't discussing a group of people. Second, no, it is not notable to be accused of rape. But I had a link to the Duke case, and that was a very big, notable case. And in that case he was accused of rape. So that's what's being posted. I will absolutely keep that he was exonerated, but let's face it: being exonerated is on the same level of prestige of being accused for rape, so if you believe that posting something in a positive light makes it "more notable" I would assume you're merely defending the institution of Chaminade and not caring the least bit for quibbling over levels of notability. Please do not edit me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alexcavaluzzo (talk • contribs).

I have moved the following material here:

"In the summer of 2006, secretary to the President Lynn Creamer brought a lawsuit against Chaminade High School for gender discrimination [1], after she was fired for having a relationship with a male faculty member who was still married. The male teacher was not fired. The lawsuit also stated that a priest had stared at her breasts and that a camera was set up in the boys locker room. The case was settled outside of court."

The link to the New York Post isn't working and the main source does not meet WP:RS. There are also WP:BLP concerns. This must stay out unless reliably sourced. Bridgeplayer 04:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

Link is working fine you are astonishing for vandalizing this and actually made me ill. Muckrakerius 04:23, 22 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

The link is to a blog reposting of the article with numerous comments at the bottom. For potentially blp violating concerns this needs to stay out until you get get a better source link, at the very least. --Rocksanddirt 15:28, 31 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

I fixed the inline ref. This still sucks. If a source for the resolution of the case can't be found, rephrase the text. --Rocksanddirt 15:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

A cite to a newspaper article meets WP:RS without a live internet link (I removed the dead link at least once). Unless there are allegations that the newspaper article doesn't say what the article reports it as saying, the item should stay. (I've since added links to two articles online, one live and one retrieved from a Google cache).--Orange Mike 15:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

Well the first part is fine now. The second and third parts of the paragraph need sources. 1) for the breast and locker room comments, and 2) for the resolution of the case. Otherwise I would lose those last two sections of the paragraph as they just become inflamatory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocksanddirt (talk • contribs) 15:46, 31 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

Ok, I'm fine, the resolution of the case is not as big a deal as unsubstantiated allegations of really poor behavior. --Rocksanddirt 15:52, 31 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

-I have updated the article and considering that I have listed 3 credible references, that should be more than enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.160.228 (talk) 19:46, 27 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

I am shocked to see that once again someone is vandalizing this page. I have added back the lawsuit with all 3 credible sources which makes it the most backed-up claim on this entire page. If anyone attempts to delete it again I think they should be banned. This is an outrage and I expect better. The lawsuit did happen and there are no wrong claims made. Please check the 3 links for yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.64.137.24 (talk) 16:45, 13 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

copied here from User page

I did an alpha sort because it makes it quicker for those who learn of a prominent alumnus, but don't know his year, to insert him into the list. Most such lists are organized that way; a few are first divided by reason for notability, then alpha-sorted.--Orange Mike 19:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

However,

• we do have the year for everyone there
• we can find the year easily enough
• most new additions need to be removed anyway

--JimWae 20:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

• The advantage of sort by time is that the earliest ones are more likely to be more lastingly notable (thereby starting off with more clearly notable people) - something an alpha sort does not address --JimWae 22:06, 7 September 2007 (UTC)Reply
• Maybe Clark will be more notable someday too, but right now, he is quite unknown even to most Americans. And Foschi should probably be removed now--JimWae 22:08, 7 September 2007 (UTC)Reply
• Are we going to revamp the alumni list after its vandalism? 24.46.123.59 00:58, 18 September 2007 (UTC)Reply
  • You can find all the reported alumni in the history of the page. Feel free to add any back that you at the same time provide a cite from a reliable source. Alumni added back without cites may be reverted by me or other editors. If you are looking for some to put back, see below, several have been provided with sources. ++Lar: t/c 10:55, 18 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

At one time, all CHS students took Latin for first 2 years. Second year was Latin + Sp or Fr or Grmn - NO Science that year. What % take Latin now? What does text mean by "Earth Science (orOceanography)"[sic] - are they alternative courses or does someone think Oceanography and Earth Science are the same?--JimWae 05:44, 8 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Speaking as a Chaminade Student, it means that Freshmen can take a test in June, before they enter Chaminade, to be placed in the advanced Science Class, Oceanography. September 10, 2007

Speaking as another Chaminade Student, either Earth Science or Biology can be placed out of by taking a placement test before Frosh year (old final?, not sure) and Oceanography will replace the class in the Earth->Bio->Chem->Physics progression. Testing out of Bio is rare as most students haven't taken sufficient Bio in 8th grade to pass (75%) the exam. I was one of three Soph. in my oceanography class. Students now take only one language all four years. Next time I visit, I'll ask an administrator about the amounts of students in each language. My estimate is Spanish>Latin>French>German based on the amount of staff, number of classes for each language, and relative sizes of the language clubs. 17:53, 6 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.46.92.137 (talk)

Why are people re-adding the information about Murphy which is completely unsourced. Even if it were sourced we would have a problem with this info as Murphy stronglyu objects to his inclusion on wikipedia, he considers it stalking, and just because his article is kept does not mean we can stalk him by adding inforamtion to wikipedia that has nothing to do with his career as a producer. But lets get a source before anything else as unsourced the information is a gross violation of WP:V, SqueakBox 18:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

"Strongly objects"? "Stalking"?^{[citation needed]}! Even if true, Murphy needs to get a grip; probably a case of "Do you know who I am?" syndrome, Hollywood variety. He has no right to control over this or any other article. If the article about Murphy himself is unsourced or poorly written, then do something about that article (I already trimmed a peacockish reference to a project that never got made). In the meantime, he's a relevant alumnus. I see no reason to delete his name. --Orange Mike 18:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Might want to add a probable WP:BAN reasoning to that Squeak as the new editor who originally added it is now blocked as a ColScott (talk · contribs) puppet.--Isotope23 ^talk 18:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

No you must source first and then add the cite, until you sopurce BLP empoweers me to remove the link as often as need be, we do not add unsourced info about naybody so please desist in doing so. If you check the Murphy article you will see that I ahve edited a lot. Also who are you to declare whether Murphy is being stalked or not? We are not here to trash or out people but to write a decent encyclopedia of referenced material, SqueakBox 18:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Actually only 2 of those listed are sourced... most of that section should be wiped out for lacking sources.--Isotope23 ^talk 18:54, 11 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

I'd suport that, and should check up on my old schopol which I have a feeling has similar issues, propbably many schoolsd do but sourcing is vital for living people especially and people can be funny about the school they went to or opnes they didnt, etc, SqueakBox 19:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

I'll certainly back anybody who calls for application of the Verifiability principle. It's the idea that Murphy has the right to claim "stalking" because he doesn't like the inclusion of neutral information in this encyclopedia; that kind of arrogance makes me puke. I'll agree to your call for verification, but if somebody can verify, then the information goes back in. In the meantime, let's clean up the article on this guy, which seems to have verifiability problems of its own. --Orange Mike 19:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Let's keep Murphy out (and perhaps remove everyone else not sourced as having went to this school, while we are at it) pending sourcing that he did go there, but let's also not revert war over it, thanks. Once it is sourced, if it is, if Murphy has an issue with it being in here, he can take it to OTRS... that's always been open to him. ++Lar: t/c 20:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

• Here he says it himself: http://www.donmurphy.net/board/archive/index.php?t-7142.html
• Another: http://listing-index.ebay.com/movies/Don_Murphy.html
  • --JimWae 22:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Well, we don't take self written material (Don's site) and the ebay info is a mirror of wikipedia itself, so neither of these are reliable sources under our definition, and neither justify inclusion. ++Lar: t/c 04:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

I've removed all of the unsourced listings (here is a diff if anyone wants to go through and try and source them).--Isotope23 ^talk 15:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

This should be done evreywhere really. I've done the same for my old school and perhaps there should be a project or soemthing? SqueakBox 15:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

I remove uncited "notable alumni" lists where I see them, but I don't think anyone is making a daily practice of looking for this stuff.--Isotope23 ^talk 16:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Yes well I will do the same now though if every editor started with their old school that would be a start, SqueakBox 16:36, 12 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Nobody notable went to my high school, so "done".--Isotope23 ^talk 17:20, 12 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Seems a good idea to me. Perhaps mention it at the pump?? I'll make it a practice to remove them when I see them (but I stopped cruising highschools quite some time ago) I just spot checked and my HS has an article (unfortunately, it's in my view completely non notable but that's a battle for another time) and doesn't have any alumni listed (yaay). ++Lar: t/c 03:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Well according to his latest entry at WR if he is to have an article Murphy says he wants tyo be here so I have re-added his name top the alumni but with a source, SqueakBox 16:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

http://www.alphonsedamato.net/ Also 2 previously listed are no longer alive - their sources are easily found, as are most, if not all, of the others--JimWae 18:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Well we have an edit button so for each alumni for wehom we have a reliable source we can add them again, SqueakBox 18:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

http://www.newsday.com/ny-iholi102604story,0,966530.htmlstory Glenn Hughes --JimWae 17:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Works for me. Please feel free to add Glenn back in then, with that cite, in proper format. You can copy how the other alumni that were cited properly were done and just change the relevant info. Thanks for digging that cite up. ++Lar: t/c 20:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

http://www.hollywood.com/celebrity/Brian_Dennehy/194756 Dennehy - seriously, each one takes little more than a minute --JimWae 01:02, 16 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Newsday probably got some of these from wikipedia - but has even more, and probably took some steps to verify: http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-liprom1202,0,1258176,full.story --JimWae 01:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

If you are confident of the sources, feel free to add the info yourself. Is there a reason you didn't want to do that? ++Lar: t/c 14:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

I have added Terrence Lanni (this diff shows the addition). Note that I have used a proper citation technique , and in the list of references it shows the source for the benefit of readers. Many of the recently added alumni just give a URL. That's not nearly as good. Please consider using {{cite web}} or other mechanism so that readers see more than just [1] ++Lar: t/c 11:23, 24 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

I just pulled a lot of alumni in this edit

Don Murphy's source doesn't count. It's a wikipedia mirror. We've been over this before... The rest, I suspect we have some folks having some fun here. I may have pulled a real one or two. If so, find a source and put them back. But... The Incredible Hulk? Cookie Monster? Berenstein Bears? I don't think so. There has been a steady stream of edits here that are interfering with the bots attempts to revert to good versions. I think it may be advisable to cut the whole article back down to a stub, semi protect it, and try again. (oh and leave out the bits about "they killed off the prom because they weren't getting any action" while we're at it... :) ) ++Lar: t/c 01:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

The removal isn't warranted. Even if the allegations are completely bogus and that can be sourced, that just means the latest sources and text to that effect should be incorporated, not that the section should be removed. Regardless of the merits of the case, the lawsuit happened. Removing the cited text is akin to white-washing.--Isotope23 ^talk 15:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Spot on. If the lawsuit was noteworthy before, it will still be noteworthy whether or not it turns out to be false. The anon needs to stop removing the whole section without discussion here. ++Lar: t/c 04:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Jcarleo (talk · contribs) and a succession of anonymous editors have been adding text about competitive sausage-eating competitions at the school. I've got a number of concerns about this:

1. There's no reliable source to back the claim up.
2. It's an intramural competition and isn't really all that encyclopedic.
3. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it feels like prank text.

Is there any reason this text should be in the article, and if so, what reliable sources support it? —C.Fred (talk) 04:27, 9 July 2010 (UTC)Reply

The lawsuit was initiated by the secretary because she said she was "fired." However, she failed to report to work for six weeks, and was thus considered a non-employee by the school. This was construed as getting fired. Also, the NY Post isn't exactly the most reliable source in my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.194.201.172 (talk) 03:49, 30 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

Offer another source. NickCT (talk) 03:52, 30 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

It appears that most educational institutions, including noteworthy high schools, have their school crest or shield as the head image on the info box on Wikipedia. It also appears that if used in this instance, Wikipedia has been considering it fair use and not a violation of copyright law. I recommend that we move the image of the facade of Chaminade to the bottom of the info box and place an image of the school crest (i.e., the crossed torch and cross) at the top of the info box. If there is reason that this should not be done, please elaborate. --Yuristache (talk) 07:03, 8 January 2011 (UTC)Reply

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