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Are these the same thing as the Texas Barrier? I find few if any references to the "Bremer wall," and I never heard anything like it when I was in Kuwait, Afghanistan, or Iraq in 2005. Hzoi 12:45, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
This whole thing is, in my view, just plain silly. Here we are, arguing about the naming conventions and relative merits of what really amount to slabs of concrete of varying heights and thicknesses that are used for a combination of traffic control and military force protection functions. I strongly suspect that this entire article can be redirected to something dealing with traffic control and engineering. Additionally, the political undercurrents of this message seem obvious. Bdmccray (talk) 23:03, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Texas barrier?
editWe claim here that a Texas barrier is the same as a Bremer wall except higher. However Texas Barrier redirects to constant slope barrier which is an article about a traffic engineering obstacle only a metre high. Some clarification is obviously required but I have no idea which is right. -- Securiger 07:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
This need to be changed to be called T-Wall
editI lived in the largest T-wall city called the IZ or Green Zone for 3 years...never once did I even hear the term Bremer Wall. I have emailed dozens of co-workers who are all over Iraq still and no-one has ever heard that term. I have seen the purchasing documents, they are called T-Walls. I have personally been on 6 different camps and it's all the same.
Texas Barriers and Alaska Barriers and Jersey Barriers are all different. The 12 foot high ones are T-Walls.
I have only recently read about people calling them Bremer Walls and it seems to be coming from media outlets where either a random reporter spent a minor amount of time there. It was never a 'commonly used term' for the items so zero credit should be given to it. Bremer Wall appears to be a politically motivated term anyway.
Unless anyone has any serious objections, I plan on comming back to this for a rename and fixing the redirects Lightertack (talk) 14:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I agree. I'm in Iraq right now, have been all over the country, and without exception no soldier would know what the term "Bremer Wall" meant. T-walls are everywhere, and everyone knows what that means. Perhaps the only other thing more commonplace is the Hesco (Hesco bastion).153.29.46.60 (talk) 16:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Delete this article or merge with T wall article. I have to side and agree with the rest of the guys, never heard this contraption being called in the way it is mentioned in the article(the only reason i looked it up). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.60.175.214 (talk) 21:06, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
I have my reservations
edit- "These T-shaped walls were originally developed by the Israelis in the Israeli West Bank barrier. The term "T-wall" is commonly used by soldiers throughout Iraq, due to their shape being similar to an inverted T when viewed from the side."
Sure?. I think that the shape was invented by the great masters (no kidding, it is a Science in itself) of the Science of guarding frontiers: The "Democratic" East German military.
The base was larger in the inside of the wall (East Germany) to prevent inmates of that country to flee trying to tumble the wall with a vehicle.
Otherwise, the design (IMHO) is the real technical (note emphasis) precursor of current Israeli and Iraqui walls. The big difference of course is that the German wall was a wall to prevent slaves to flee, and modern Israeli enad Iraqui walls have been created to prevent an enemy to harm your people Randroide (talk) 20:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
T-wall
editI was with UNIFIL in Lebanon in 1989-1990 and the term we used was 'T-wall'. It was used by the Israelis as well as by the UN troops. Of course, the construction is very similar to sections of the Berlin Wall, but as long as no one can verify the East German name and make a case that the German name is more popular than 'T-wall', I guess that it should be named 'T-wall'. The 'Bremer Wall' seems to be anecdotal at best.
The problem with the name 'Texas Barrier' seems to be some kind of confusion due to two distinct cases:
- a kind of roadblock similar to the Constant Slope Barrier, and
- the border wall built between Texas and Mexico.
Making a quick Google search on the .mil top domain returns the following amount of hits:
- Bremer Wall = 0
- Texas Barrier = 33
- T-wall = 638
CB (talk) 00:43, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Hans Bus (talk) 06:09, 13 July 2013 (UTC) In 1981-1982 I worked in UNIFIL HQ Naqoura Lebanon. We had the so-called "Protection Wall Project". Due to the increase of small arms fire and artillery shooting on UN posts it was neccesary to replace the "old sandbag" for a better solution. In general we had three options: 1. Earth wall around posts(the cheapest way) 2. Solid Block Walls around prefabs, made by contractors. The material was delivered by the UN 3. Concrete elements in the form of an upside down T. The advantage of these elements against the other types were that they could be replaced and reused. These elements, now called "T wall" were initially called "T-elements". Mid 1982 the first 2000 were purchaced by HQ UNIFIL Naqoura. For political reasons 1000 went to a Lebanese Contractor and 1000 went to an Israeli contractor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hans Bus (talk • contribs) 06:00, 13 July 2013 (UTC)