Talk:Bolero

It seems the Spanish article has some stuff this article doesn't. [1] 205.174.22.28 02:09, 26 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

• Indeed, since the Spanish bolero has very little to do with the genre bolero, which is probably what the article is referring about. The Latin American genre is a rough equivalent to the kind of music Frank Sinatra would sing early in his career: soft, melancholic love songs about either love or the despair is causes. The Spanish dance would be the originator, but in Latin America it took a life of its own. I strongly reccomend that another category be added and use some kind of litmus test as to disambig both. Demf 15:01, 20 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

es:Bolero (danza española) really needs breaking out into a separate article on en.wp. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:40, 15 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

Unless my memory is horribly failing me, the song during the credits of Moulin Rouge, "Bolero", is not in 3 and so, this article would lead me to believe, not actually a Bolero. It should thus probably either be removed or have a note added to clear up any confusion, since it's listed under "Boleros in popular culture", implying that it is a bolero. --inferno0069 22:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

Well, first of all, I think the article now differentiates clearly between the Spanish and Cuban+L/A boleros. I think it's necessary to put all this in one place, where the distinction can be spelt out.

Not so easy to handle are the various art music versions called 'bolero'. What Ravel called a 'bolero' is obviously not one; something like a habanera tinged with paso doble, perhaps. Macdonald-ross (talk) 14:26, 5 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

Reference #4 does not seem to be relevant to the claim in the text. It is important that links in references enable readers to verify the text, else they do not act as guarantees for the accuracy of the article. Macdonald-ross (talk) 16:37, 6 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

It turns out the forms come from cuba and Spain. Where was Latin America again?--91.32.29.115 (talk) 06:58, 1 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

There's a Mexican style of bolero. Los Panchos and Luis Miguel are examples of this, unless Mexican bolero is the same of Cuban style. Magiciandude (talk) 08:37, 18 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

The last paragraph under 'Cuba' deals with this, and mentions the key figure of Agustin Lara. A large number of Cuban musicians, singers and dancers have spent part of their careers in Mexico, and as a result their styles took root, especially in cities such as Mexico City and Veracruz. As many will know from the 1991 film, the Cuban danzón was last danced regularly in Mexico City, many years after it was defunct in Cuba. Pérez Prado and several other top-class Cuban bandleaders, composers and arrangers had some of their greatest years in Mexico City. The Cuban bolero is, of course, still a live and highly popular form of music, though perhaps not so appreciated in the non-Hispanic countries because of its dependence on lyrics. Macdonald-ross (talk)

I read that bolero is often confused with tango by those unfamiliar with it (like me!). Might make for an interesting expansion of the article to go into the similarities and differences. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.8.202.217 (talk) 19:39, 15 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

I found an article/webpage that cites Cuban ethnomusicologist Argeliers Leon attributing a Mexican influence on the guitar techniques utilized in the Cuban bolero; in other words, the bolero also has Mexican roots:

http://www.magicmomentsdance.com/etiquettedancehistory/bolero.html

69.235.143.248 (talk) 20:29, 26 August 2010 (UTC)James LopezReply

I can't check it without knowing where it came from. I doubt it would support your conclusion quite as you put it. An interesting light on Cuban guitar technique is in Guyún. Macdonald-ross (talk) 10:06, 27 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

Unfortunately, I do not have access to a journal that makes this assertion; however, here is where the article can be found:

http://fmls.oxfordjournals.org/content/40/4/389.abstract

If the journal can be accessed, I don't see what's problematic in saying that the Cuban bolero also has some Mexican roots.69.235.143.248 (talk) 05:39, 28 August 2010 (UTC)James LopezReply

Another source on this topic:

http://books.google.com/books?id=DuMww7kWIh0C&pg=PA42&lpg=PA42&dq=%25+influence+%25+Yucatan+%25+bolero+%25&source=bl&ots=GBufDXALbd&sig=W4GnkXvJta6BTgBHID86qvwDI7w&hl=en&sa=X&ei=edXMUI7kH-XGiwKy-4DIAQ&ved=0CEUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=%25%20influence%20%25%20Yucatan%20%25%20bolero%20%25&f=false

108.223.14.211 (talk) 19:33, 18 December 2012 (UTC)James LopezReply

I can't think of a single number this might apply to. Unless someone can back this up, I intend to delete this. Kostaki mou (talk) 04:34, 6 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

I don't know enough about classical music to be 100% sure, but I *believe* this piece is actually a bolero. Should it be added to the list under "In Art Music"?

For reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfysyex_DAk

Under "Spain" the bolero is categorically stated to be 3/4, but under Cuba it appears that 2/4 is the case, and "elsewhere" 4/4. Perhaps the initial "3/4" statement should be softened or particularized (e.g. "the bolero was originally...")? --Haruo (talk) 04:58, 19 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

That's because it isn't related to the Cuban song. See es:Bolero (danza española) In ictu oculi (talk) 09:40, 15 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

I have created a separate stub Bolero (Spanish dance) lining the article up with the situation on Spanish and German wp. Apart from the name there is little real connection between the Spanish dance and the Cuban vocal genre. Someone can reverse this and discuss it. But is so then some other alternative solution is still needed to untangle the information on the two. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:50, 15 February 2017 (UTC)Reply