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Hello Remsense,

It seems that you are very active and know much better about Wikipedia rules than me. Some time ago I just added a chessbase.com article to the external links of a Wikipedia page namely: "McDonnell–La Bourdonnais, match 4, game 16" which I personally read and liked and thought that would be useful to others. It seems that it was reverted by you. I would like to know the reason for it.

Hello, I would like to talk on a final revision on the articles in discussion if you like. please let me know on your thoughts for a final revision Lobus (talk) 22:39, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leave my page alone it's not your place PhenixRhyder (talk) 05:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

story · music · places

Today's story comes from a DYK about a concert that fascinated me, and you can listen! For my taste, the hook has too little music - I miss the unusual scoring and the specific dedication - but it comes instead with a name good for viewcount. - Could you perhaps help with sources for Huang Zhun (composer)? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:08, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Today, listen to Sequenza XIV. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:42, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the Main page today Jean Sibelius on his birthday. Listening to Beethoven's Fifth from the opening of Notre-Dame de Paris. We sang in choirs today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:04, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Listen today to the (new) Perplexities after Escher. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Listen today to Beethoven's 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the 2020 DYK set when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with Antônio Meneses, because he was on my sad list this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I come to fix the cellist's name, with a 10-years-old DYK and new pics - look for red birds --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remsense, based on this edit summary of yours at Translation, I believe we have a common interest in language and linguistics articles. In your case, perhaps with tedious wording, in my case, with rampant OR and vast expanses of citation-free content. Everybody feels they are an expert in their own language (and per Chomsky, they are correct, and I agree) however that doesn't exempt them from WP:V and WP:OR. Although the topic is close to my heart, imho, our modern languages articles fail V and OR more than any other major topic I follow (linguistics and dead languages less so) and makes me want to slash and burn 45kb articles down to two paragraphs, or this article down to one sentence (namely: "Hungarian has verbs.^[1]"). It almost feels like a lost cause, but so far, my approach has been to proceed with kid gloves. Maybe we could get a few people together and try to come up with a plan for this. WT:LING or WT:LANGUAGES could be a good venue. Austronesier and Kwamikagami might have some thoughts about this. Or maybe we should just give up, I dunno. Mathglot (talk) 08:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I see that you reverted several edits I made related to the French Revolution, where I changed the phrase "Reign of Terror" to "the Terror". You stated that this was a "misguided change of terminology".

Just to be clear, I do NOT support terror, I am NOT a propagandist. I am just trying to make Wikipedia more accurate. The actual French term is the Terror. I pointed this out when editing Robespierre's article the 8th December saying that "Reign of Terror" is an exclusively English term and the French name is « la Terreur ». You reverted and stated that Last time I checked, this is an English-language encyclopedia. Apologies if I was not clear in the edit summary. "The Terror" is a very well-established term in English-language scholarship, as in French. Indeed there are many examples for the use of this term here on English Wikipedia. As just one example, Danton's article mentions "the Terror" eleven times while "Reign of Terror" is only mentioned three times.

Searching on Google for these terms alongside French Revolution, the Terror returns 632,000 results while Reign of Terror gives 616,000 results; they seem to be about equally used and if anything "Reign of Terror" is used less.

There have been many scholarly works published in English that use the phrase "the Terror" only. Here are a few:

The Incidence of the Terror During the French Revolution: A Statistical Interpretation, 1935. Twelve Who Ruled: The Year of the Terror in the French Revolution, 1941. "Maximilien Robespierre, Master of the Terror", 1947; the original link is down but this article is cited in Wikipedia and elsewhere. Paris in the Terror 1964. Ending the Terror: The French Revolution After Robespierre, 1989. The Terror in the French Revolution., 1998. The Terror: The Shadow of the Guillotine: France, 1792-1794, 2004. Envoy to the Terror: Gouverneur Morris and the French Revolution, 2005. Reimagining Politics After the Terror: The Republican Origins of French Liberalism, 2008. The Coming of the Terror in the French Revolution, 2015. "From Terror to the Terror: Terror and the French Revolution", 2019, a chapter in States of Terror: History, Theory, Literature.

Articles in the New York Times from 1910 and 1936, and the Washington Post from 1989 use the term "the Terror" in the title.

Clearly, this term is well-accepted in the English-speaking world and changing this term would not make Wikipedia less accurate.

However the main reason I edited is that the term "Reign of Terror" is a misleading, propagandistic anachronism. "Reign of Terror" was not used in France at the time (or now) and was invented after Robespierre's fall by his English-speaking critics. The name was chosen to evoke images of anarchy and blood, as if only terror could reign in the place of a king.

I understand the concern that if we change "Reign of Terror" to "the Terror", people may not recognize this term. However, the term is usually mentioned in context of the French Revolution, in which the period of terror is well-known, and hovering over the link will of course display the page Reign of Terror (The first sentence of that page could also be changed to "The Reign of Terror, also known as the Terror, was a period of the French Revolution when..."). If this is not enough context, we could also use "Reign of Terror" the first time in the lead section and/or in the section headers of articles, and then use "the Terror" afterwards. Or we could keep "Reign of Terror" in quotation marks to show that this was not the actual phrase, but a name given by others.

I would welcome any civil comments you and others might have about this issue. The French Revolution has sometimes been inaccurately represented in the English-speaking world, and as Wikipedia editors we should try to present facts in an unbiased way. Curuwen (talk) 02:28, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's really not your place to unilaterally decide the English-language term in common use is misleading or inappropriate. If you want to dispute whether it is the common term in English, start a thread on Talk:Reign of Terror about it. Remsense ‥ 论 05:12, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Letter names and order how are the signs similar to the Hebrew, Greek and Latin Alphabet in order but not Arabic? 2001:E68:7000:1:AC9E:F29B:4655:4771 (talk) 11:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I started working again on the article I created last year: Shang dynasty religious practitioners. Can you take a look at this a bit? Lately I just structured the article all over again to make it look more like a complete extension of the section in the Religion article. Btw tks in advance. Strongman13072007 (talk) 09:03, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. In your revert, you said totally fine, you not having immediate access to a given source doesn't make it unverifiable.

I did reviewed the source and decided to remove the paragraph. The only source cited was a book written by an author who has faced significant criticism for being a biased defender of the Díaz dictatorship.

I'm open to hearing your thoughts on the matter. Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 22:12, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right, and it's just relaying something that Tolstoy said. There's no reason to remove the material unless he never said that. Remsense ‥ 论 22:13, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't found any other sources. Assuming this is the only source and it is biased, should the information be included or deleted? Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 23:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would seem the comments aren't due for inclusion in an article about Díaz, if they haven't been attested elsewhere. Feel free to remove them again if this seems likely. Remsense ‥ 论 01:34, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please discuss on Talk:Myth first. AimanAbir18plus (talk) 05:33, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The WP:ONUS is on you to generate consensus before you re-add, not on me before removing. Remsense ‥ 论 05:35, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But we should add a lead image in this article like Folklore. AimanAbir18plus (talk) 05:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not merely for the sake of having one, we shouldn't. Remsense ‥ 论 05:38, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If consensus reach on the talk page, can we use it then? AimanAbir18plus (talk) 05:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for your edits. You said "it is quite frustrating to have spent a couple days fixing all this only to come back and have it all messed up again" and I don't have a clue what you mean. I don't know what could have happened - but I'm sorry! And I'm grateful! Thank you! Jenhawk777 (talk) 06:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've been seeing some chatter that ProKMT has, at the very least, used an alternate account without appropriate disclosure first. They said it was because they forgot their main account password but there's some suspicion that they may have been editing from an IP too. Could they be the missing sock-master for that group? Simonm223 (talk) 17:16, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey I looked at the diffs and, yeah, the Joshua Project, not an RS. But Der Wereld Morgen doesn't look any worse than any other news media. I don't intend to revert because, frankly, one newspaper more or less doesn't bother me really but I did want to note this in case Donkey Hot Day raises a fuss over calling the sources unreliable. Simonm223 (talk) 14:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What I was getting at—though I should've been more clear—is that we really shouldn't lean on news sources for claims like those, IMO. Remsense ‥ 论 20:17, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On that we agree. Simonm223 (talk) 13:38, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Why did you remove the information you added to the "France" article? This is official and authoritative information. Thank you. Happy editing! (Captian Wiki (talk) 18:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)) Captian Wiki (talk) 18:12, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't see any inline citation, so I fail to see how it could be authoritative. Even if it were, please see WP:RECENTIST: we do not pay special attention to recent events in how we balance articles, and hopefully it is clear how inclusion of Syria and not myriad different geopolitical issues would be very unbalanced. Remsense ‥ 论 20:15, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there, I replied to your comment on my talk page, but figured you may see this more easily. My reason for creating the new article Nationalism in Antiquity is WP:SUBPOV, as the existence/dating of nations and nationalism to antiquity is a minority (but notable) view in scholarship on nationalism. Is your disagreement with something specific in the passages moved? The passages that I moved (which you reinstated) in Nationalism in the Middle Ages bogged down the subsection of that respective article and are not even relevant to the Middle Ages, Meanwhile, the passages in question from Nationalism were a lot of detail for what is a minority opinion among scholars, but good detail for an article on the subject in its own right. Happy to hear your thoughts and suggestions on how to proceed. Yr Enw (talk) 20:51, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I noticed you have responded to me a few times on the RfC above. However, you still never clarified your point when I pressed on whether an infobox was needed. I understood your initial point about the margins, even though it seemed to me to be wholly unconvincing and nonpersuasive. I was hoping you could elaborate a bit? Barbarbarty (talk) 08:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did clarify! If you don't find what I wrote convincing, that's your right. For what it's worth, I have a lot of very strong opinions about infoboxes, but my preference for abridged over none in this case is not one of them: again, it's marginal to me. Remsense ‥ 论 08:18, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess if I had to be a bit more concrete, which I was refraining from doing in the RfC for some reason: in my experience, people with ADHD often appreciate infoboxes as an anchor when trying to begin reading an article. (I do not talk about or try to reify my psychiatric profile on here ever, but for what it's worth that includes me, though mildly—I'm mostly thinking here of others who have it worse.) That does not make them necessary by a long shot, but it perhaps affects my likelihood for supporting one in cases like biographies. Remsense ‥ 论 08:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Forgive me if I was sounded terse. Your point on ADHD is apt, if I can offer that as an explanation as I am also neurodivergent. I guess I am just irritated as well as these discussions seem to invite a lot of bad-faith. Please do not think that I believe you have exhibited such behavior! I do appreciate your response. Barbarbarty (talk) 08:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also speaking of answers to questions, it is regretful that the user you asked a question of has yet to respond. I was quite looking forward to them elaborating myself. Whenever this RfC closes it will be interesting to see how the votes are tallied. Barbarbarty (talk) 08:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, I appreciate your ask, hence why I felt it was worth opening up a bit over! Like I said, I'm a bit unduly cagey when it comes to addressing stuff like that directly, and it can leave others in the dark. Remsense ‥ 论 08:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That was a quote, even worse change! Doug Weller talk 11:58, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I CIR blocked Doug Weller talk 12:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have took some sources from other Wikipedias about battle of talas You don't mind if I insert them in the page and write as the source say or you will gonna remove it like as always? R3YBOl (talk) 13:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

btw I meant like I will add the sources also R3YBOl (talk) 14:42, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]