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Archive 1: January 2006 - June 2006

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Kia ora! Hope you find this project meaningful. One thing you're likely to be interested in is Wikipedia:Babel, a project to try and allow interaction between and within languages. Mostlyharmless 04:22, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for translating the Maori babel templates. Brian | (Talk) 11:27, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Tēnā koe, and welcome to Wikipedia! I've made Toniwha into a redirect to Taniwha, since it's possible someone searching on Wikipedia might type in the wrong spelling. As to nganga, is there a god of sleet that this might redirect to? Somehow I doubt it, so it would be better deleted, but if there is one, it might be usable as a redirect. By the way, you might like to add your name to the list at Wikipedia:Wikipedians/New Zealand - we're always happy to find more kiwi wikipedians (especially those with a knowledge of things Māori!) Grutness...wha? 06:09, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I've done a bit of google searching to see where the information about Nganga could have come from, and put the article up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nganga. Have a look at what I found there, and please comment on it! My knowledge of Māori mythology is not very strong (get far beyond Rangi, Pāpā, Tāne and Maui and I'm lost :), so anything you can add might help! Grutness...wha? 12:37, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Kia ora! Try adding [[mi:User:Kahuroa]] to your userpage for an easy link to "mi:" and one on that page starting with "en" to link back from there to here. Robin Patterson 00:53, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I see that you removed some cognates which you classified as incorrect in the article Māori. I would like to know why you think they are incorrect [1]. I had some lectures a while ago in the Austronesian linguistics and I was told that these are cognates of the word Māori. Meursault2004 00:31, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

He dude I just read the discussion page. Since you have a PhD degree in Māori studies and I don't speak Māori, I'll take you words as authoritative for now. I'll discuss it my linguistic friends here :-) Meursault2004 00:57, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your extensive reply. The lecturer is actually not a Javanese specialist. His name is Aone van Engelenhoven (born around 1962). He has written a PhD thesis about the Leti language. He is of Letinese descent. His father is a Dutchman while his mother is a native Letinese. Have you ever heard of him or of Leti? Leti is a small island off the coast of (East) Timor. This Van Engelenborn character is now an important person. Besides a lecturer in Leiden he is now also a member of the Language Board of East Timor.

I shall discuss your reply with him. I think he will be pleased. Cheers! Meursault2004 13:36, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Kahuroa - the best thing to do is probably to take them all to AFD as one nomination (make an AFD subpage for one of them, and turn all the other afd template links into redirects - if you're not sure of how to do that, just give me a list of all the ones you can find and I'll add them to afd). I suspect I know what his source was - there is one mythology website which seems to have quite a bit of dubious information on it (I mentioned it in one of the earlier afds). Grutness...wha? 09:39, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Most of that probably came from Encyclopedia Mythica. Feel free to nominate anything untrue for deletion. Tuf-Kat 17:22, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Yup, I'm pretty sure that's the site. Grutness...wha? 00:35, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your recent edits to the Polynesian languages article--I had thought the latest round of additions was fairly suspect (and undocumented) but I didn't want to just start deleting, so it's good to get an authoritative edit. (I'm a linguist by training, but Tibeto-Burman is my turf, not Austronesian.) I think material of the type that was added would be a great addition to the article, but I wasn't too thrilled about the quality of these specific passages (like the joke about using the inclusive pronoun for god--huh?). So I thought I'd just pass on a word of appreciation. · rodii 17:09, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Also thanks from me. Concerning the documentation (which indeed was none) I would like to bring up the following point. For example, you want to write an article about Māori clothing (or from whichever country you are). There will be a history chapter, of course there it would be suspect if there was none reference whatsoever. But what about contemporary? Would there be anything scholarly written article about it? Not very much. There will be some cursorily references in some probably unrelated publications. Not very useful. Some collected data would come from tourist brochures. Not very reliable. Would it not be so that the local people who wear that clothing every day will know best? But then no reference can be cited. And so it is for everything in daily culture. --Tauʻolunga 19:53, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

You do not need to cite an academic reference for everything - if the information comes from your personal experience, say so. If it comes from interviewing people you know or meet, say so. If it comes from tourist broschures, say so, and say which one it was. But don't make up an 'Esperanto Polynesian' to provide examples - that is just confusing. An encyclopedia should deal with what actually exists. Kahuroa 21:38, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Kia ora Kahuroa! I have been searching for someone who is able to speak Maori and I think you are my "target". I am currently working on a project about New Zealand and I would like to have an oral document of Maori. Would you mind talking (and recording) yourself in Maori to help me. Thanks a lot.Adleos 15:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

There is a problem with readability of accents, which will affect Polynesian languages. Your opinion is eagerly sought. See Talk:Tahitian_language. --Tauʻolunga 19:29, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Kahuroa - yeah, I'll do a batch nomination on them, but I'll need you to back me up with the information :) Have a look in an hour or so and they should all be on one big AFD (probably under Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ahoeitu). Grutness...wha? 01:05, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Kahuroa. I think some of the entries that you and Grutness have nominated for deletion can and should be saved. I have been working at cleaning them up. So far, please see my new versions (with sourcing) of Ahoeitu, Aremata-Popoa and Aremata-Rorua, Bulotu, Ilaheva, I'i, Kanae, and Sava (mythology) (though I'i could be merged with Sava). I can find nothing about: Atonga, Auahi-Turoa, Avaiki Tautau, Eau, Iva (mythology) and do not object to their deletion. I will try to report back here and add to the list of keeps/deletes. Obviously your knowledge of Polynesian linguistics (etc.) might catch some obvious errors on my part. Bucketsofg 02:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi again - you might like to look at my proposal near the bottom of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ahoeitu. Grutness...wha? 06:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for your note, Kahuroa. I agree with you that the mass deletion proposal is turning out to be a good thing, since it has gotten a few of us to clean up some problematic articles. I want to encourage you to rename and redirect extensively, since I suspect there is a lot of bad spelling in many of these articles. I know nothing about when Polynesian words use hyphens or spaces or apostrophes, and I suspect that whoever created these articles didn't either. The Kalamainu of Kalamainu and Kilioa is surely Kalamainu'u? And how about what I suggest about 'Pia' in Talk:Pia (mythology)? The other point, and in some ways this is more important, is that although a few of us have been able to verify some of these articles, we still need some judgement exercised about what is notable enough to include in an encyclopedia. You will be in a better position to do that than most of us. Bucketsofg 21:26, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note on my talk page. I've responded to your note at Talk:Pia (mythology)--one way or another, the entry has to be deleted, I think. It is pretty close to nonsensical. On my page you allude to the problem of the term 'Polynesian'. I wonder whether we shouldn't go through all of these articles and replace "in Polynesian mythology (Tongan) (etc.)" with "in Tongan/Maroi/Hawaiin mythology". Bucketsofg 03:03, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Good idea - I'll answer on your talk page Kahuroa 10:39, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, do you want to have a look at what I've thrown together at Deluge mythology#Polynesian? Bucketsofg 19:48, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi again - I'm going ahead with the split of the afds - a dozen at a time. I'll put them all on AFD - any which seem to be good enough to survive can always be pulled from there, and it makes sure I'm less likely to miss any of them (it's a long list!). I'm starting at the end of the alphabel, so all the ones beginning with T-W should be appearing first. Grutness...wha? 05:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Kia Ora Kahuroa. I saw your edit to Moriori and noted your edit summary comment that the Waitangi Tribunal is not a court. The tribunal's article categorically states that it is a court. I don't know either way, but think the articles should be consistent. Ka kite. Moriori 09:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

(I responded to this on Moriori's talk page to the effect that I will edit the Tribunal article also - I checked the facts on the Tribunal's website - its not a court.) Kahuroa 10:15, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Cheers. Moriori 22:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Nothing in Craig about Nightmarchers, nor any mention of ghosts or processions of ghosts. I've 'prodded' it according to WP:PROD, which will be a much simpler way of getting it deleted than using AfD. Bucketsofg 14:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• I'm having second thoughts about the deletion, see Talk:Nightmarchers for a few sources. It seems there are lots of Nightmarchers in current Hawaiian ghost stories and popular books. Delete the prod if you think its keepable. Bucketsofg 15:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I removed the prod from the article itself - will that do it? I guess. Suggest a name change to Huaka'i pō - what do you think (see - Talk:Nightmarchers). I'll delete the reference to the heiau while I'm at it - a google on Nightmarchers brings up a few short descriptions which might serve as models for a minor rewrite Kahuroa 16:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC).

It would be a shame indeed if anyone eroneously came to these conclusions. Let's hope they have the common sense not to. The ones where I said keep as above were where the original description of why the article should be deleted was bogus. ie keep it for the same reason the deleter listed. ("Some of them may be keepers . . . I'm deferring to editors . . . as to which is which")For great justice. 18:41, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I guess that makes sense to you...Kahuroa

It does. The deleter wrote: "Some of them may be keepers . . . I'm deferring to editors . . . as to which is which". I agreed, and voted to keep, as above. For great justice. 20:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, so you mean you will agree with what I say. The problem is that by using the word 'Keep' you make it look as if you are disagreeing where my response was 'Delete' for instance. Kahuroa 22:02, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Can you contribute at Talk:Kiwa hirsuta, please. The namers of the genus are quite specific that "Kiwa" is a goddess in Polynesian mythology [2].

Of course, they may have beeen wrong: they may have consulted an unreliable source like Encyclopedia Mythica (or even Wikipedia itself). But if so, we should explain this, not say something incorrect. Gdr 21:20, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. I've edited the article to quote Macpherson et al's etymology and explain the problem. I look forward to seeing their response to your query. Gdr 22:39, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I've just put the second batch of those polynesian mythology afds up - there were 42 left after the first batch, so I've put 14 up this time - two more batches will do it. Grutness...wha? 03:02, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Cheers Kahuroa 11:48, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

The last line of the Laka article in Craig reads "See also the Marquesan Aka". In that entry is a slightly different version of the myth that I'll add to Laka. Bucketsofg 20:19, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

marquesan for Rata should be 'Ata I think. Unless this derives from aka which in Māori are climbing vines (Metrosideros). Could be, since Rata is associated in NZ with Metrosideros spp. Kahuroa

It is clearly Aka, not 'Aka in Craig (twice, both in the article and the cross-ref.) Btw, some of these articles could really benefit from having pictures; might you be able to find some? Bucketsofg 20:57, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough - am pretty dubious about Aka tho, it looks dodgy to me. You just have to really be careful tho that sources (especially Hawaiian ones) don't pepper other Polynesian languages with Hawaiianisms and mixes of Hawaiian and other P langs. re pictures, which articles in particular are you thinking of. Might be able to find some, or take some.Kahuroa 21:02, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

The next lot are up for afd again. Only 14 to go. Of the first 26, it looks like 10 keeps, 12 deletes and a small handful that might need a further look. Grutness...wha? 03:34, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again Kahuroa 03:38, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, you've put your AfD vote at Makutu instead of the AfD page. Bucketsofg 04:29, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that, have now corrected it Kahuroa 04:32, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I've redirected Mahu-ike as you suggested and supplemented Mahuika from your updated Auahi-Turoa entry. I suggest that we keep the Manawa entry, reference it to Best, and move the names of the fire children there. This will make it possible to remove some of the extra detail from Auahi-Turoa. We wouldn't have to give all five names, for example, for the fire children, but merely refer to them as the Manawa with a link, as I've done at Mahuika. Bucketsofg 13:50, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Done, plus renaming for orthography.Kahuroa 19:41, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi again - the final load of Polynesian mythology articles are at afd now (finally! :) Grutness...wha? 08:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for all the work you did on these - it was no doubt a long job, but these articles look a lot better now. BTW - would it be worth adding a disambiguation link on Rohi leading to the article on rohe (i.e. iwi territories)? It would be an understandable mis-spelling... Grutness...wha? 01:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The entry in Craig assigns that story clearly to the Maori. He, too, cites White. (Perhaps this one story is the only 'one' there?) He also cites Tregear, Maori-Polynesian Comparative Dictionary, 1891, 421.

I've rearranged the Māori migration canoes article to try to emphasize that these legends do exist and that the 'fleet hypothesis' is an erroneous conflation of them. It seemed to me that the earlier arrangement allowed the fleet hypothesis to swallow too much of the content. Can you look it over and improve it (or revert, if you prefer)? Bucketsofg 13:22, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

• Your changes look good to me. Bucketsofg

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Freund. Craig hat keinen Information über Ami-te-rangi und Amai-te-rangi. Bucketsofg 12:34, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

So habe ich gedacht. Kahuroa 19:50, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Just short query as to why you deleted link to above in James Cook article. The article itself referred to "Ku" as a period of war. Hands up I am not a polynesian scholar myself in any way but wondered if your amended link to Hawaiian mythology is a little too far removed - is Tu Matauenga not closer to what we are trying to refer to, albeit that in referring to the god himself it is not quite right either! Thanks for your help Dick G 08:08, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually Tu Matauenga is a New Zealand deity and has nothing to do with Kū (Hawaiian language term) as a period of war if that is what it means. Kū is a Hawaiian deity so I think Hawaiian mythology is better than New Zealand in this case. Maybe someone needs to write an article about Kū the Hawaiian god - New Zealand is thousands of kilometres removed from Hawaii Kahuroa 08:14, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, see response on my user page Dick G 08:27, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

The Tiki article was a mess, and it's good that somebody who seems to know something about it is looking at the topic. But your move of material to Tiki has left all the "Thor Heyerdahl" stuff in Tiki culture, which under that title would presumably be limited to the Americanized stuff. Heyerdahl's theory doesn't belong there, but I'm not sure where it belongs. Maybe nowhere but in the Heyerdahl article. What do you think? - DavidWBrooks 20:10, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Kahuroa! I don't know who said it. I got it from an ethnomusicology lecturer at the University of Auckland who has specialized in traditional Polynesian music all his life with emphasis on Samoa and Tonga. This is something he gave in one of his lectures on Māori. I can ask him where it came from. Mona-Lynn 20:47, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I have now e-mailed my lecturer. A quick look at JSTOR also produced this: Orbell, Margaret. Hawaiki: A New Approach to Maori Tradition. Christchurch, New Zealand: Griffin Press, 1985. This is a book and sounds fascinating. I can send you a .pdf of a review of the book but I'd need an e-mail address. The review describes its three sections: the Homeland, the Voyages, the New Land. I'll let you know what my lecturer says. Mona-Lynn 21:34, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Kahuroa! I found you by Babel - can you help me please? The bird gull is in Maori language Karoro. Can you say me, what the plural gulls is in Maori language? Thank you for a reply! -- Doc Taxon... Apr 25, 2006 - 20:56 CET

Karoro refers to one species of gull - the black-backed gull. The plural is karoro, no change. Plural can be marked in other ways tho - how are you using this? 19:18, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm using it in a list of translations of plural gulls into several languages, inclusive into Maori language. What are those other ways you meant? -- Doc Taxon... Apr 25, 2006 - 21:33 CET

te karoro = the black-backed gull (definite singular ), ngā karoro = the black-backed gulls (definite plural). Kahuroa 00:33, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

The pictures are great! Bucketsofg 17:48, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I've created an article on Stephenson Percy Smith and linked to it from the migration canoes. Can you give it a once(or more)-over --Bucketsofg 17:48, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note on my page about Smith. I wonder whether some of the stuff in the migration canoes about Smith and the Society might not be better incorporated into the Smith article. (I'll make some comments in the talk of the migrations canoe article.) Bucketsofg 21:25, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Kahuroa, I've replied on my talk page. Grutness...wha? 02:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I've thrown together a quick article on Elsdon Best which you will be able to improve, I'm sure.

Also, I've answered your note to my talk page at the migration-canoe talk page. Cheers! Bucketsofg 17:29, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey there. Check out User:Runderwo's recent edits - James Cook and Tonga for starters. Moriori 23:59, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

A bit strange - I wonder why he has taken all the macrons out in both articles? And all those 'citation needed' tags in Tonga. I restored the macrons in Tonga - which someone went to a lot of work to put in - and left the citation tags - he may have a point possibly - I'll leave that to you or others. I think I was the one who put the macron on Ku in the Hawaiian article - I must have seen it that way somewhere but I won't argue the point at the mo. Kahuroa 00:20, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I believe the one issue was a browser UTF-8 problem which was brought to my attention. I am no longer editing with that browser. Runderwo 21:31, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Just to let you know that a meetup is planned in Auckland for the 25th of June (see Wikipedia:Meetup/Auckland for more details), and that you are cordially invited. GeorgeStepanek\^talk 00:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of Polynese ethnology, have you seen my allusion to that in my Wikipedia:Song/The RfA Candidate's Song? (You can hear me sing!) I'll give Handy a look tomorrow. Anyway, I'm glad you mention that mass deletion working to the good, since I'm about to make the same point in my RfA (still in draft). Since I mention you, I thought I should clear it with you first. Best, Bucketsofg✐ 04:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah, you're a sly one. Glad you liked it. Bucketsofg✐ 04:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

hahaha. dammit! I saw that consist/s problem too, and I was gonna fix it, and then I got so carried away with my clever edit summary, that I went and forgot to! :-p Anyhoo... I see from your userpage that you're an NZer, and thought I'd take this opportunity to introduce myself. I had a boyhood (OK, so adolescent) fantasy of running away to the Marquesas and never coming back. I was going to set up my own kingdom with 0 subjects on Eiao (I fiefed out Hatutu to my little brother)... ah, how the dreams come crashing down around our ears when reality hits. Anyways... I spent untold hours reading every scrap of information I could on any and everything ever written about the Marquesas as well as a large chunk of the rest of Polynesia (sadly, I never really "got into" NZ, Tonga, Samoa or Hawaii, which seem to be the center of everyone else' attention (ok, so I did "get into" Tahiti a lot, but mostly just to figure out how to keep Papeete from infringing on my sovereignty! :-p)) So anyways. The reason I'm rambling on about this is that I've long wanted to get a Polynesia WikiProject going, and haven't found any willing partners. If you dig through my edits long enough, you'll find me all over Polynesia (although mostly in .pf). I'd eventually like to get a good article on every speck of Polynesia, comparable to Sala y Gómez at the very least. And that's never been inhabited.  :-) If you're interested, drop me a line and we can share ideas about how to procede, as well as where to go scrounging up others who might be interested in joining us.  :-) Cheers, Tomer^talk 05:17, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Heya. So I have a question. My Marquesan is about 20 years out of study, but as best as I can figure, "kahuroa" would be ‘ahu‘oa, which means "long [non-tiki] statue". I'm not sure I wanna know exactly what that means, but my curiosity is piqued.  :-p Linguistics and religion (historical and modern) would be central parts of what I envision for WP:Polynesia, as would geography, geology, history, politics, etc. So, there's the idea for now. It's 1:40 AM here now, and I've gotta work at 8, so I'ma head off to lala land. ttyl. Cheers, Tomer^talk 06:40, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Am I correct to assume that the changes he's making are nonsensical? Bucketsofg✐ 18:45, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. Some of his earlier edits are pure nonsense. He seems to be looking to find where the line is and playfully flirt with it. Sigh. To be 15 again. He'll have to be watched carefully, I think. Bucketsofg✐ 19:17, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi K. Someone's left a question about spelling at Talk:Tākitimu that you can probably answer. Bucketsofg✐ 15:32, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Kahuroa. I'm afraid I don't know how to do that. (But don't tell anyone or my RfA might go belly up!) Bucketsofg✐ 01:13, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I love the new graphics, especially the one at Rangi and Papa. As far as my handling the fame, don't worry. I'll remember you little people.  ;-) Bucketsofg✐ 12:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

To prove to you that I haven't forgotten the little people:

Dear Kahuroa,

Quite sorry I got so mad. I really enjoy Rongorongo and hope to do some more improvements later. Fell free to add more to my talk page. Sure hope you can get back to Italy.

Sincerely,

64.107.172.130

Well, I've become a non-vandal acounted Wikipedian. You've really been quite amicable and understanding. If you can, visit my page.

Sicerely,

64.107.172.130, now Mbrutus 16:04, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kahuroa,

That was really touching. I'd like to extend my hand out to you in thanks. Again, hope that you can get to Italy!

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 23:22, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank-you, K, for the 'Polynesian award' and for your support during my RFA. I've put together a last stanza to the RfA Candidate's song:

The count is in, and now I join the crew who wield the mops and pails. Thanks for your support! I pledge to serve both you and Jimbo Wales. If you have anything you need, then please don't think to hesitate. For I am the very model of a grateful admin designate! ♫Bucketsofg✐♪

Excuse me, but could you explain what a "little person" is? Hope you get to Italy.

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 21:32, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kahuroa,

You taught me more in that letter than any policy on Wikipedia has. Thanks for all that information. By the way, would it be okay for me to hand out the award? If so, how?

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 03:32, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kahuroa,

In the first place, maori, in that context, was probably used to designate a very wise man. In the second, these are not attestable by any account. They come from scholarly forms of folklore and it is a quotation of Hotu Matu'a much in the same way Et tu, Brute? is a quotation of Julius Caesar. I'd appreciate if you didn't erase it, though. It's making a point. Hope you can get to Italy.

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 03:50, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kahuroa,

I am so glad to have been the first recipient. I'll be sure to continue in this Polynesian vain! Hope you can get to Italy.

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 03:54, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kahuroa,

I intended that in my statement about Hotu Matu'a. Et tu, Brute? is, in a way, from an ancient text which Shakespeare based Julius Caesar upon. Hotu Matu'a's lament is based upon shady backgrounds, but is attributed to him in much the same way Et tu, Brute? is to Caesar. By the way, what's your PhD. in? You seem enlightened in several fields. Cheers!

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 01:33, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kahuroa,

I can trace this back to Catholic Father Sebastian Englert, but, like Et tu, Brute?, historical significance is lost upon us. I got a message on the Maori TP that told those jerks to keep it that way or I'd use arms. Just joking. I tried to be as nice as possible. Sorry I got so mad at you and Bucketsofg, I'm pretty hoppy when stuff like that happens. Cheers!

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 05:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

P.S. What can I do about my user page? Any ideas, I need some help!

So add that reference then. Thanks for your help! Tell me what you'd like to do on your page. Kahuroa 05:59, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kahuroa,

I first read about Rongorongo in a brief article in a book called The Seventy Great Mysteries of the Ancient World. Perhaps you've read it. It's very broad subject wise, with everything from the Indus script to Australian Aboriginal "Dreaming." Sort of like a catalog for ancient events and topics. Cheers!

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 06:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kahuroa,

All right, I'll get that information to Rongorongo. That's where I got the quote, but it's not the most comprehensive study on it. I'll try to ge some other books, too. I don't have the book here, but I'll get the information there ASAP. And can you help with my user page? I'd think you'd have a lot to say. Cheers!

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 13:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kahuroa,

I checked out the Et tu, Brute? page. Very fascinating! What sort of stub could I call it? Mbrutus 16:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean about calling it a stub. Thanks for the big people help. Appreciated. Kahuroa 18:50, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kahuroa,

Well, I think I'd like some references to calligraphy, the Book of Kells and some classical literature, mostly Beowulf. If you have any ideas, please tell me!

Mbrutus 16:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kahuroa, Here's the full alleged quote as recorded by Father Sebastian Englert, Our ko hau rongorongo are lost! Future events will destroy these sacred tablets which we bring with us and those which we will make in our new land. Men of other races will guard a few that remain as priceless objects, and their maori will study them in vain without being able to read them. Our ko hau motu mo rongorongo will be lost forever. Aue! Aue! Hope you can use this. Cheers! Sincerely, Mbrutus 18:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Is this from Seventy...etc - need a page no. Will think about your user page Kahuroa 18:46, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kahuroa,

I can get you the page numbers in a few hours. And by the way, how did you plan on getting me the suggestions? (Message, direct edits, anyhing else) And can I give ou the Polynesian Attitude Awards, or is that a one user only thing? I'm not exactly a senior Wikipedian.

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 18:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kahuroa,

I've been wondering what you found in your PhD. project on comparative literature. Could you tell me a bit about it? Cheers!

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 19:06, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Good on you for getting rid of the bit about Jafa. In the bigger picture it made NZers look like parochial yokels. I've been away from NZ for about 35 years, planning to return next year, but when I read things like Jafa I wondered whether I'd be doing the right thing... Keep up the good work GrahamBould 10:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kahuroa,

Hey, thanks for the changes! Good thing that you and Bucketsofg don't forget little people, or in my case, itsy-bitsy people. These edits are going to be great, and I hope that I can now write some more body. By the way, are they keeping the Maori Page? Cheers!

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 13:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kahuroa,

I'm glad that they're keeping it that way. Like I said there, it really showed it was about the Maori, not just in it. Anyway, I made a page! It's on a karate kata, and I was wondering if you knew anyone who could get it out of stubhood. It's really fun to perform, and it would be nice to have something good on it here. Cheers!

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 02:14, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, not my area - maybe talk about it on the relevant Talk page. Kahuroa 04:30, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I've expanded the page a tad, it now includes how to perform it, which ought to be useful to anyone trying to learn it. My sensei had a book on kata, so that can now go down as my "official source", the information on their was mostly from research done by my peers, or their peers, or their peers. That's how most information gets passed along in karate, especially in circles like this one in Chicago. I don't mean to irritate you, and just tell me if it is. By the way, what did you find out in your PhD. project? Cheers.

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 00:25, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kahuroa,

I won't ask you to go into any more detail about the project. Interesting though, I suppose that carries on in several areas, the universal template for something, doesn't every religion strike you as pretty similar in a sense? Anyway, I did NOT put in a link! There's even a list of karate katas, and it didn't include it! I'll do that right now. Cheers!

Sincerely,

How should I make the performance look like instructions using wiki language?

Dear Kahuroa,

How's this? Kopasho. By the way, you wouldn't mind trying to find some other karatekas, my poor wittle page is lonely. Poor, poor, Kopashow... Cheers!

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 13:29, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kahuroa,

I think that I've got what you mean, but could you clarify it? And you were right, the color thing doesn't do much, I heard somewhere that seeing things in different colors helps seperate them. Thanks for taking enough time to find that page for me. I'll try and see if I can get my Sensei's photos doing the kata (I'm pretty camera shy, sorry.) And by the way, how can I get my site publicized? I get the sense that it's just me a few bots. Cheers!

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 02:13, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kahuroa,

I just realized that you could tell the difference between those kata sections, that's amazing! I usually have to go through a kata few times before I can seperate its parts. That takes a nice ability to visualize. Secondly, you mentioned that I might want to get some books on Rongrongo if they weren't wacky. Could you explain what you mean by that? And how long does a page have to be before it isn't a stub? Cheers!

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 22:11, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Happy Queen's Birthday!

Dear Kahuroa,

Actually, my senei's uniform is probably going to be black. This won't hurt anything, will it? Oh yeah, how do you do invisible grids? Cheers!

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 18:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kahuroa,

Well, the sensei that I worked with wasn't able to perform Kopasho, but I'll get one that can on Thursday, or Saturday at the latest. Sorry that this dojo has, well, multiple functions. The one on Saturday's a pure dojo, though. And the senseis there are the karate masters of Chicago. Here's an example at my Tuesday & Thurday dojo. Cheers!

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 02:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC) File:Example of kata at Tue dojo for K.JPG

Dear Kahuroa,

No, not fussy at all. If that backgrounds busy though, then I'll have to get some on Saturday. I can fix all else. Cheers!

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 12:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kahuroa,

Welll, if someone can make it across the Pacific, everything he says must be gospel. And by the way, what civilizations weren't in contact with the Americas? I like Norse mythology as well, but I'm not sure that Tyr has anything to do with Turkey, especially when they were never in contact until around the 1500's! Make sure to tell me what you think about the example photo. And did Thor write any books on Rongorongo? I might want to browse through some of them. Cheers!

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 22:01, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your edits of the above page. --Lholden 22:59, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kahuroa,

Here are the photos. I know that they're not perfect, but they may do for the time being. Thanks again for that research on kata. Cheers!

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 23:52, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

File:Kopasho IV.jpgFile:Kopasho III.jpgFile:Kopasho II.jpgFile:Kopasho I.jpg

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I agree, re some lists, though I am guilty myself of a couple myself. I did not notice any other words I know are also used in UK or Ireland for that matter. Cheers ww2censor 04:38, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Heh... I see you got welcomed here finally - after six months and a couple of thousand edits! I've got a question for you... have you given any thought to becoming an admin on en.wiki? I know that youre an admin at mi.wiki so you know how it works, and you seem to be doing a fair bit of vandalism-reversion and the like, so the admin tools would probably be useful to you. If you're interested I'd be happy to nominate you - just drop me a note on my user page :) Grutness...wha? 04:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

oh, I suppose so :). Was that "Ta" a yes? Grutness...wha? 04:43, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

OK - no hurry - let me know later when you decide. Grutness...wha? 05:12, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Grutness that you'd be a great admin. You might find it useful to track the RFA page for a while to see what different wikipedians regard as necessary to gain support. One thing that you'll want to make clear for yourself is what you need admin tools for. Bucketsofg✐ 03:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Looks to me like you're right with this one, too. A google search of Auraka+devouring -mythica -wikipedia gives 90 hits, and iun almost all cases these hits look suspiciously like mirrors of either Encyclopedia Mythica or Wikipedia. I'll leave you to nominate it this time :), though I'll add a support vote. It'd be worth mentioning the previous problems we've had with Encyclopedia Mythica when you do. Good advice from Bucketsofg, BTW. Grutness...wha? 05:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)