Talk:Gun violence

The contentious topics procedure applies to this page. This page is related to governmental regulation of firearm ownership; the social, historical and political context of such regulation; and the people and organizations associated with these issues, which has been designated as a contentious topic. Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page.

This article was nominated for deletion on 2007-03-02. The result of the discussion was Keep.

This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Crime and Criminal Biography Mid‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Crime and Criminal Biography articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Crime and Criminal BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyCrime-related Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. Firearms Mid‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Firearms, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of firearms on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.FirearmsWikipedia:WikiProject FirearmsTemplate:WikiProject FirearmsFirearms Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. Medicine: Emergency Mid‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Medicine, which recommends that medicine-related articles follow the Manual of Style for medicine-related articles and that biomedical information in any article use high-quality medical sources. Please visit the project page for details or ask questions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine.MedicineWikipedia:WikiProject MedicineTemplate:WikiProject Medicinemedicine Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. This article is supported by the Emergency medicine and EMS task force (assessed as High-importance). Politics: Gun politics Mid‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of politics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PoliticsWikipedia:WikiProject PoliticsTemplate:WikiProject Politicspolitics Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. This article is supported by Gun politics task force (assessed as Mid-importance). Sociology Mid‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Sociology, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of sociology on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SociologyWikipedia:WikiProject SociologyTemplate:WikiProject Sociologysociology Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Archives

Archive 1 Archive 2 Archive 3

This page has archives. Sections older than 60 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III.

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 2 August 2020 and 5 September 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Crystaljs98.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 22:02, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 August 2018 and 14 December 2018. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Lupe12x.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 22:52, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think this article is missing a more global perspective. We don't have much data or studies on Southern American countries, Africa, or Asian countries. I think this could be improved significantly if data from these countries were implemented throughout the article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Booksntea (talk • contribs) 3 May 2019 (UTC)

I agree. And Gun Violence as used here should at least be coordinated with Mass murder. Which is the act and this page addresses only the Method. -jim 20:33, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

I very much believe that gun ownership is a major contributor to homicide and suicide rates worldwide but I think that the article is vulnerable to criticism from those who disagree with me, because it seems to be one-sided. It is also gramatically incorrect, which could lead to ridicule. 193.222.252.42 (talk) 23:45, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. The statement "all studies have found a positive correlation between gun ownership and gun-related homicide and suicide rates" is questionable. The first reference in the list never makes any such statement and in fact emphasizes gun violence going steadily down while suicides go up. This article should emphasize death from suicide where the US is in line with other OECD countries including those with higher death rates though guns are banned (S. Korea, Japan) KevinInMfrg (talk) 20:54, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The very name of the article, "gun violence," is biased, as it is purely a propaganda term. In the United States, two-thirds of all so-called "gun violence" deaths are suicides. Why are suicides called "gun violence," but when people commit suicide by jumping off a tall building, we don't call it "tall building violence," when they commit suicide by hanging, we don't call it "rope violence," and when they commit suicide by razor blade, we don't call it "razor blade violence," and if someone kills themselves by throwing themselves in front of a train, it's not called "train violence." It is deliberate deception to label suicides by firearm as "gun violence," a propaganda term. Why is suicide called "gun violence"? Because "gun violence" is purely a propaganda term, and counting suicides under that term is a convenient way for anti-gun propagandists to instantly triple the number of deaths that they can label as "gun violence" to exaggerate the count and push their civilian-disarmament agenda. I had a friend who died from suicide by gun, but I don't call him a "victim of gun violence," although the writers of this article would claim he was.

Other large components of so-called "gun violence" are self-defense shootings and legitimate police shootings. Why is self-defense called "gun violence," while self-defense with other tools is not called "club violence" or "pepper spray violence" or "knife violence"? Obviously because "gun violence" is a propaganda term, so the greater the number of incidents they can lump into the catch-all propaganda term "gun violence," the better it suits their civilian-disarmament agenda.

Another component of so-called "gun violence" are accidents. Why are gun accidents called "gun violence," while the tens of thousands of Americans killed annually by cars aren't called "car violence"? My stepmother died in a motorcycle accident, but if I said she died from "motorcycle violence" or "car violence," people would look at me like I'm crazy.

The vast majority of gun murders are criminals killing other criminals, especially gang violence, but the propagandists always mispronounce and misspell gang violence as "gun violence" instead of gang violence. It's spelled gang, not gun; get it right.

This entire Wikipedia article is a propaganda piece that pushes a one-sided agenda. Oddly enough, there is one gun statistic the article conveniently leaves out. It omits the fact that every year in America, defensive gun uses (DGU's) occur between 700,000 and 3,000,000 times, a fact that has been confirmed by two separate CDC studies including one under President Obama and a second more recently. Those 750,000 to 3,000,000 incidents of guns saving lives are conveniently left out of the article on so-called "gun violence," because it would expose the entire article as propaganda pushing a one-sided agenda. Gato63 (talk) 19:35, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gunshots wounding or killing humans, by homicide or by suicide, are violent. The currently used title is apposite, and you are free to propose a more appropriate title if you can conceive of one; as a practical matter, naked complaints don't go far here. You are also free to add statistics, supported by reliable references, that present defensive gun use. —RCraig09 (talk) 20:07, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See Defensive gun use. O3000, Ret. (talk) 22:28, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

" but if I said she died from "motorcycle violence" or "car violence," people would look at me like I'm crazy." Why? Vehicle-ramming attacks are no longer rare events. We have several of them every year. Dimadick (talk) 12:30, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, a Google search of the term "gun violence" (including quotations marks) today yielded 32.1 million hits, indicating "gun violence" is a WP:COMMONNAME and thus appropriate for use in this article's title. —RCraig09 (talk) 12:38, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]