Talk:Carapace

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If I may suggest. I feel that as an encyclopedia we would be better served if the Carapace, and Plastron pages were combined into a single article on the turtle shell. With appropriate sections on Carapace and Plastron. These features of the turtle are heavily used in identification and morphological analysis of the members of this group, they are also the predominant remains for fossil species. Hence, having a page that defines all these features, discusses the evolutionary history of the shell and also looks at the differences among families etc would be of great benefit. This is a large amount of information as many greatly misunderstand the structure of this part of the turtle. Cheers Faendalimas ^talk 19:05, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am enclined to agree Faendalimas. Shall we formally request a merge of the two articles?--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 20:35, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest we write a new page on the turtle shell, taking plastron and carapace out of the current docs and leave the rest for their other definitions. Then set up disambiguations for carapace and plastron making the turtle ones point to the relevant sections of the turtle shell page. Cheers, Faendalimas ^talk 03:47, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What would be the name of the new article? Would there be new redirects, would Plastron turn into a redirect, a disambiguation or stay as it is would the turtle stuff? If the turtle info was taken from Plastron there would not be much leftRegards, SunCreator ^(talk) 14:36, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For the material that remains on those pages I guess those interested in editing that material would have to expand it, a definition only referring readers onwards could be left for turtles. As for the name I would suggest Turtle Shell, but important would be the subtitles on the page. A disambiguation for plastron would point to Turtle Shell#Plastron. To be honest a disambiguation would be the best way then that page could point to aircraft turtles, insects, whatever. My interest is the turtles here, I am not suggesting deleting the other material but separating it out. I feel the turtle material from several pages would serve better as a single page. Cheers, Faendalimas ^talk 18:13, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So Turtle shell that can have content from Turtle#Shell? Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 00:08, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Turtle shell would certainly make a viable article; there are plenty of things that could be discussed. The Plastron article definitely should not have information about both turtles and airplanes; something an encyclopedia would never do. I do think Carapace should remain it's own article however, it's interesting to note how carapaces have evolved in other critters in addition to turtles. --NYMFan69-86 (talk) 03:15, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ok on my todo list then, give me a week have a broken finger, so can't type efficiently just now. Cheers Faendalimas ^talk 17:22, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Those were just my opinions; hopefully if implemented they would help things out. Heal up Faendalimas, Wikipedia needs ya.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 04:17, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok my hand is a lot better can sort of type now. I am going to start creating a page on the Turtle Shell it already exists and redirects to turtle, I will leave the redirect in till the page has the substance I feel it needs. The remove the redirect. Cheers, Faendalimas ^talk 18:56, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Article currently [1] reads in part In arachnids, the carapace is formed by the fusion of prosomal tergites into a single plate which carries the eyes, ocularium, ozopores (a pair of openings of the scent gland of Opiliones) and diverse phaneres... (my emphasis).

What is a phanare? The citation is not available online as far as I can see. I tried to Wikilink the term, but we currently have no article phanare, nor is there an entry at wikt:phanare. A quick Google was no help at all (your results may vary).

New pages required, or at least an explanatory note for we non-specialists. Andrewa (talk) 14:24, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If the introduction of carapace into zoological vocabulary (in 1836, according to various dictionaries) was due to Christian Gottfried Ehrenberg, a brief remark to that effect would improve the article.Wetman (talk) 20:40, 24 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ants - do they have a carapace? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.67.241.149 (talk) 13:25, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest Template:Expand German be removed.

The corresponding German article is much more detailed but it has no inline citations whatsoever, save on one particular point. Expanding the English article using material translated from the German article would either introduce a mass of original research or else involve reconstructing all the unreferenced research that has gone into the German article.

--Frans Fowler (talk) 09:57, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done --Frans Fowler (talk) 03:10, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]