Talk:Chengdu

Dear anonymous, an excellent start for the article! But please follow the guidelines in Project:Romanization for entering pinyin. (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:20, 2 Sep 2004 (EDT)

This article currently contains an e-mail address that causes an "Internal error" when you attempt to Save page.

Save your WikiText contributions every five minutes or so as you work.

Or write it in a separate text editor and paste it into WikiTravel.

My friend tried to contribute a long piece to the Chengdu page by writing it in the WikiTravel text field but his entire long piece got zapped by the *spam filter* because of something someone else had written. FRUSTRATING. s_i_n_a_._c_o_m without the underscores was the cuprit and he had not written it himself. OUCH!

Good luck and thanks for contributing :-)

I think that preparing a long contribution off-line is probably a better approach than saving as you go. If something is going to go wrong it probably will on the first save. And it is not just the spam filter. I have also encountered server stalls, net errors, line dropout, and even a power failure! If you have saved a copy of the contribution then a quick copy and paste gets it back. Mind you, with small edits, a section or item at a time there is always the risk that someone else will jump in and edit the page too - causing an editing conflict - sometimes that is harder to cope with than having to retype everything. Oh and always Preview any large edit, well previewing every edit is good practice. - (WT-en) Huttite 03:14, 20 Dec 2005 (EST)

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it is also one famous china blog freelancer's cafe bar..

I heard Chengdu was famous for its tea and teahouses, but I didn't see a mention of them. Could someone add some? (WT-en) Jbradfor 16:44, 18 June 2007 (EDT)

Good point. Any of the big parks have tea houses. They are all over the place.

There are many universities in ChengDu.

UESCT is one of the best universities.

Is Chengdu ready to be Dotm? Or is anything missing? /Yvwv (talk) 16:18, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

This is a very large city with a substantial number of listings. Does it need to be divided into districts on Wikivoyage? There is already at least one district article, Longquanyi, but it's not OK to have random district articles without a "Districts" section in this article, so unless there is a consensus to create district articles and an agreement on how the city should be districted for the purposes of Wikivoyage (that is, Wikivoyage:The traveller comes first), it will have to be merged and redirected to this article.

A proposal to district this city should include not just a list of districts that encompass the entire city but an estimated total number of listings in each district article and a description (better yet, map) of the boundaries between the districts. User:Peter011008, User:Ground Zero, User:Pashley, User:The dog2, User:Public class, User:DaGizza, et al., any comments? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:35, 6 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

I've never been to Chengdu, but it is certainly big enough to be divided into districts if someone knows the city well. The dog2 (talk) 01:28, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

I just want to make one quick comment: Pengzhou is also officially part of Chengdu. STW932 (talk) 01:34, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi everyone, Wikipedia has a map of Longquanyi. I'm from Chengdu longquanyi, currently this is the main focus of Chengdu's development and I thought it would be a good idea to make a separate page for it. As we all know, Chengdu has a population of 20 million, and longquanyi accounts for one-third of that, with more than 7.3 million people living in this district. Currently Longquanyi is ranked 4th in Chengdu in terms of gdp (and rising) and is home to a number of automobile factories as well as China's aerospace industry. Secondly, let's talk about the tourism aspect of facing the readers, Longquanyi has just founded the 31st University Games, with the main venue being the venue in Dong'an Lake Sports Park. It is currently used as a 5A-level tourist resort for tourists to have fun, and secondly, many Chinese and foreign celebrities hold concerts in the venue. As well as various tourist attractions such as the ancient town of Luodai. I myself personally know that every holiday is jammed with traffic because there are a lot of people who are traveling. This is the tourism data of Longquanyi District for this year's 5.1 Chinese Labor Day. (From Punch News quoting official data from the Longquanyi government. People can use Google Translate to view) This is trip for longquanyi.

Guys can check it out. I think create a separate page for longquanyi is great.And then I follow the advice of others as well.

@Ikan Kekek@Pashley@The dog2 Peter011008 (talk) 03:52, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

I wrote at User talk:Peter011008:

Your article for Longquanyi has some problems. ... it is a district of Chengdu so perhaps it should be at Chengdu/Longquanyi rather than just Longquanyi, and there should be discussion at Talk:Chengdu to agree on an appropriate overall district structure for the city before district articles are created. I'd urge you to start that discussion.

Note that it is not the case that official districts necessarily get their own articles here; our concern is to create districts that are useful for travellers. Some examples from the parts of China I know:

• Xiamen#Understand has a map showing the official districts but only some of them get separate articles. Huli District and Siming District do not; most of those are treated together in the Xiamen article while Gulangyu (administratively part of Siming) gets its own article.
• Fuzhou#Districts and Quanzhou#Districts show the commonest WV article structure; downtown districts do not have articles but important suburbs do. The discussion at Talk:Fuzhou#Districts? got rather messy.

My guess would be that Chengdu needs a district structure along those lines.

Yes, Chengdu is a huge city -- well over 20 million in the prefecture, something like 15 in the main metro area -- so districts would likely be a fine idea, provided we have enough people who know the area & are willing to do the work. Pashley (talk) 01:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Exactly. User:Peter011008, can you propose districts for the entire city, with estimated numbers of listings per district? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Good idea. I've asked the student to offer suggestions here. A 20 million city is hardly one we can cover without subarticles. Piotrus (talk) 05:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Of course, I will try my best. First of all, Chengdu has a total of 12 districts, 3 counties, but also instead of the management of five cities.

The main administrative districts are: Jinjiang District, Qingyang District, Jinniu District, Wuhou District, Chenghua District, Longquanyi District, Qingbaijiang District, Xindu District, Wenjiang District, Shuangliu District, Pidu District, Xinjin District.

Three counties are: Jintang County, Dayi County, Pujiang County.

The five cities are: Jianyang City, Chongzhou City, Qionglai City, Pengzhou City, Dujiangyan City. Peter011008 (talk) 06:46, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

As a local, if I were to divide the areas listed separately, I think it would be Longquanyi and Jinjiang districts. Chengdu's landmarks Chunxi Road and Taikoo Li are located in the Jinjiang district, so if you are a tourist, you will definitely go to the Jinjiang district. Then there is Longquanyi District, which is becoming more and more important in Chengdu due to the government's administrative arrangements. For example, the schedule of celebrity concerts around the world and the various tourist towns are places that tourists cannot ignore. As for you asking me to predict the entries, I don't think I can do it.

Here's a map of Chengdu's zoning

I found it on a Chinese social software (Xiaohongshu) I can't upload photos to the wiki because of copyright issues. Peter011008 (talk) 07:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. I believe I counted 20 districts on that map. That's a lot! Considering the 7+2 guidelines we try to more or less follow for numbers of districts, I think if we need that many, we should have an intermediate level of something like West, North, East and Central with several districts apiece. Could you at least give us an educated guess as to roughly how many total listings there would be in each district, if you think about See + Do + Buy + Eat + Drink + Sleep? The problem is, we don't want to end up with district articles that have 1-3 listings, total, and have to be merged and redirected. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:15, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Understand your concerns. Here are my thoughts and predictions.

Divide Chengdu into four directions: east, west, south and north. The east is divided into Longquanyi District, the west is divided into Wuhou District, the south is divided into Jinjiang District, and the north is divided into Chenghua District. (This is based on the number of attractions).

All four districts allow for 3 attractions, 3 eating, 2 drinking, 2 buying, and 3 sleeping. (This is only a small part of the prediction.) Taken together, there are at least 13 items that can be listed for each district. To arrive at this conclusion, I referred to a Chinese-language travel app (mafengwo) for a guidebook to Chengdu. Peter011008 (talk) 11:08, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Because Chengdu is so big and many districts occupy more than one orientation. It's too difficult to divide the four directions, so if you divide it into east and west, use Tianfu Square (the center point of Chengdu) as the standard. The east is: Chenghua District, Jinjiang District, Longquanyi District, Qingbaijiang District, Jintang District, Jianyang City. The west is jinniu district, qingyang district, wuhou district, wenjiang district, xindu district, pengzhou city, pidu district, xinjin district, pujiang city, qionglai city, daiyi county, chongzhou city, dujiangyan city.

The previous map has been used as a standard, with the intersecting locations of the middle-most neighborhoods divided.

There are at least 20 listings for each of the east and west sides. (This has been very little predicted)

If you are specific about each district, the least number of districts can have 2 attractions, 2 to do, 2 to drink, 2 to shop, and 3 to stay. That's a certainty. Peter011008 (talk) 11:23, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

I appreciate the specificity of this proposal. It sounds good to me, and I'm happy to support it. Let's have some other responses before making a decision. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:31, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Dujiangyan is another administrative division of Chengdu that already has its own article. STW932 (talk) 15:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

So currently there are three districts that already have their own articles: Dujiangyan, Longquanyi and Pengzhou STW932 (talk) 15:22, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

It sounds like if we go with 4 larger districts, each of these will have to be moved and redirected to one of them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:26, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

"Thanks Peter011008 for the division suggestion. I agree that as a large city with a population of over 20 million, Chengdu needs divisions, which will make it easier for travelers to find relevant information and plan their trips.

Suggestions on divisions:

Balance divisions with functionality: Although the official administrative divisions are a reference, we should consider the needs of travelers more. For example, can several key areas be further refined based on Chengdu's tourist hotspots and transportation convenience, rather than just based on administrative boundaries? For example, Jinjiang District can be further subdivided into Chunxi Road and Taikoo Li areas, which are places frequented by tourists. Hanyuanyuan613 (talk) 06:20, 18 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

That could be a good idea, although we can always start with fewer districts and subdivide further later, if needed. That said, could you detail your proposed districting scheme, with the names and boundaries between proposed districts and estimated numbers of listings in each district article? It would be great to get agreement on a concrete proposal. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:03, 18 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ A peculiarity of the Chinese system is that you can have a county-level city (县级市) under the administrative jurisdiction of a prefecture-level city (地级市), even if they are two separate cities in practice. So in the case of Chengdu, it is a prefecture-level city with a main urban core that is administratively divided into 12 districts. But outside the main urban core, Chengdu also administers 5 county-level cities, which are essentially separate cities, and 3 counties, with are basically rural areas.

I'm not as familiar with Sichuan, but in Guangdong, Puning is a county-level city administratively under the prefecture-level city of Jieyang. But only people from the main urban core of Jieyang will tell you they are from Jieyang. People from Puning will tell you they are from Puning. And even though both areas are Teochew-speaking, there is a noticeable difference in dialect between Puning and the main urban core of Jieyang, and any fluent Teochew speaker can tell them apart quite easily. The dog2 (talk) 04:06, 8 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

I do not know Chengdu, only visited for a few days & was working so the only touristy things I did were a couple of fine meals. My suggestions are based on what we have done in covering other parts of China.

Places that are for practical travel purposes separate cities -- Dujiangyan, Pengzhou & likely others -- should get separate articles. They should be mentioned & linked to at Chengdu#Districts but not treated as WV districts -- not breadcrumbed to Chengdu & not at, for example Chengdu/Dujiangyan. See Fuzhou#Districts for an example, where Mawei, Changle & Fuqing are treated that way.

Then we need to split the city itself into districts. I'm sure we need at least one west of the river that includes Jinjiang & one east that includes Longquanyi, but beyond that I don't know. Pashley (talk) 12:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Government officials may hold a different view of a city's identity. During my visit to Tengchong two years ago, a government official actually called me and asked me what I was doing in Baoshan. Fortunately I was aware that Tengchong (a county-level city) is under the jurisdiction of Baoshan (a prefecture-level city).

But there does seem to be reasonable grounds for arguing that most counties and county-level cities should get their own articles eventually. And in fact, that seems to be the general consensus on the Chinese version of Wikivoyage. STW932 (talk) 12:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

I've been to Chengdu twice, including as recently as last year, and on both occasions I spent most of my time doing touristy things.

There's quite a distance between the core urban areas and the counties & county-level cities, so personally I would rather they were not lumped together. On the other hand, some of those counties and county-level cities do not yet have any content. So it may be necessary to mix some of those counties and urban districts together as a temporary measure - unless of course User Peter011008 is going to add the missing content. STW932 (talk) 12:58, 8 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

For Shanghai, we have had at least three quite different district structures over the years & nearly endless discussions of how to do it right. The current Shanghai#Districts structure has articles for most of the administrative districts, but also for other things like Shanghai/Old City or Shanghai/Pudong New Area.

The Districts section now groups those as Downtown, Inner Suburbs & Outer Suburbs. An earlier version had Western Suburbs, Northern Suburbs etc. Should Chengdu use a similar grouping? Pashley (talk) 12:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

I hope this discussion doesn't just peter out. It would be a pity to merge and redirect the new district articles and have an overly long article for a megacity. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:06, 13 October 2024 (UTC)Reply