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To-do list for User:Wtmitchell: edit · history · watch · refresh · Updated 2024-11-08 The following is not to be edited by others. It is a convenience for myself to track items I need to pay some attention to without being prompted by my watchlist.  Fixed 23:19, 5 November 2024 (UTC) check back at List of presidential qualifications by country § "Taiwan" vs. "Republic of China"  Done 02:40, 3 November 2024 (UTC) Check back at this.  Done 02:42, 23 October 2024 (UTC) Follow up on this. 01:19, 29 August 2024 (UTC) (under discussion)Talk:Insular Government of the Philippine Islands § Date of establishment  Done Look at Talk:List of historical unrecognized states § Philippines after a bit.  Done 21:38, 29 June 2024 (UTC) See Talk:Philippine Revolution § Result  Done 21:33, 29 June 2024 (UTC) See Talk:Philippine–American War § Official end of the war  No action 00:50, 10 May 2024 (UTC) see ongoing discussion at [1]. Perhaps later, follow up on hu:Hősök temetője (Sopronbánfalva), mentioning [2]. Also perhaps follow up on disambig page Heroes' Cemetery re article naming and re sparseness there.  Done 10:45, 4 October 2023 (UTC) Follow up on proposal here.  Done 6:09, 25 February 2023 (UTC) Check back at Talk:Philippine–American War § Irreconcilables  Done 23:36, 24 January 2023 (UTC) Follow up on Talk:Battle of Caloocan#Place parameter in infobox.  No action 21:11, 25 December 2022 (UTC) Follow up on discussion at Talk:Philippine Constabulary § Philippine Constabulary Band  No action 03:15, 3 November 2022 (UTC) Maybe question at Talk:Electoral Count Act § Majority of electors if there's no illuminating discussion.  Done Follow up on Talk:List of countries by date of transition to republican system of government § USA.  Done 20:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC) Follow up on Talk:Efforts to reform the United States Electoral College § Due weight for inclusion of info on specific efforts to reform  No action 10:32, 31 July 2022 (UTC) Follow up at talk:Emilio Aguinaldo#WP:BRD discussion re the honorific-prefix parameter in the infobox  Not done Work on Draft:Wilkins Coffee.  Done [3] 07:05, 27 July 2022 (UTC) Look at this after it cooks for a while.  No action 06:58, 27 July 2022 (UTC) Look at Talk:Prostitution in South Korea § Chinese-proti et al. after it cooks a while.  No action 06:58, 27 July 2022 (UTC) Look at Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines § Should we spell out "Ma."? in re MOS:NICK after it cooks a while. 11:16, 25 July 2022 (UTC) Follow up at Talk:Emilio Aguinaldo § WP:BRD discussion re the honorific-prefix parameter in the infobox. other items -- all closed  No action 08:46, 25 July 2022 (UTC) Follow up on Talk:Cold fusion § Citation methodology  Done 12:30, 30 April 2022 (UTC) Follow up on Talk:History of the Philippines (1565–1898) § Recent edits re effect of Spanish/Mexican immigration of societal class system  No action 11:44, 24 April 2022 (UTC) Follow up re this and this. 07:48, 18 April 2022 (UTC) Follow up here re URLs.  No action 12:45, 17 April 2022 (UTC) Follow up on Talk:History of the Philippines (1898–1946) § Transition from US military government to civil government.  Done 20:34, 30 March 2022 (UTC) follow up on Talk:Timeline of Philippine political history § some Polities row items revisited  Not done 12:02, 27 March 2022 (UTC) follow up on Talk:SilkAir 185: Pilot Suicide? § Proposed merge.  Done 09:38, 27 March 2022 (UTC) follow up on Talk:Shall-issue § Proposal: de-merge  No action follow up on this  Done follow up on this.  No action keep this in mind. Maybe start an article if nobody else does.  Done follow up on Talk:Electoral Count Act#Undue, Unsupported, possible POV, possibly not entirely correct paragraph  Done 20:19, 1 February 2022 (UTC) Follow up on Talk:Nine-dash_line#James_Shoal_image_dispute  Done 10:03, 30 September 2021 (UTC) Following on this, look at the lead sentence there.  No action 12:27, 27 September 2021 (UTC) follow up on Talk:Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas#Article title, redirect, disambiguation, etc.  No action follow up on Talk:Creatio ex nihilo#Error in Contrast to modern science section?  Done 12:34, 8 September 2021 (UTC) Follow up at Talk:Lupang Hinirang#The Etymology section.  Done look at [4] mentioned in a CMD comment at #History of the Philippines American period.  No action 11:23, 4 September 2021 (UTC) Follow up at Talk:Philippine–American War#Ending date.  No action 09:11, 29 August 2021 (UTC) Follow up at Talk:Emilio Aguinaldo#Miguel Malvar.  Done 13:58, 22 August 2021 (UTC) Follow up on Talk:Treaty of Tripoli#New article and proposed move  Done 12:05, 12 August 2021 (UTC) Fillow uo on Talk:First Philippine Republic#Ending date.  Done 14:04, 1 August 2021 (UTC) check on Talk:Citizenship#Bold edit to the lead sentence.  Done 16:45, 29 July 2021 (UTC) Follow up at Talk:Philippine Army#Assertions in the infobox and in the lead disputed  Done 20:12, 15 July 2021 (UTC) Follow up at Talk:Timeline of Philippine political history#Disputing article assertions re sovereignty  Done 12:05, 12 July 2021 (UTC) check back on Talk:Political status of Taiwan#Lead section length, content, and citations.  Not done 10:07, 1 June 2021 (UTC) Continue discussion at MAUD Committee#article is missing def of M.A.U.D.. N Not done and not likely to be done 08:57, 1 June 2021 (UTC) Continue discussion at Talk:The 1619 Project#Who has alleged that NYT Magazine website was not revised?.  No action 15:46, 14 May 2021 (UTC) Follow up on Talk:Cousin marriage/Archives/2021#The chart is wrong.  Done 19:14, 10 May 2021 (UTC) Follow up on Talk:List of cabinets of the Philippines#Emilio Aguinaldo cabinet  Done 10:05, 21 April 2021 (UTC) Follow up on Template talk:Map of locations of pre-colonial principalities, polities, kingdoms and sultanates in the Philippine archipelago.  No action13:45, 15 April 2021 (UTC) Follow up on Talk:United States expedition to Korea#Recent edits and article organization.  Done 11:02, 31 March 2021 (UTC) Follow up on Talk:Amusia#"Tone deaf" redirect.  Done 17:01, 5 March 2021 (UTC) follow up on User talk:Glennznl#Maps in conflict. 10:14, 11 February 2021 (UTC) Follow discussion at Talk:Insular Government of the Philippine Islands#National symbols -- order of precedence  No action 17:07, 5 March 2021 (UTC) Overtaken by events 10:41, 12 December 2020 (UTC) follow up at Talk:United States Electoral College#Indicator of highest amount of electors from each state.  Not done See info in that discussion section. 12:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC) Follow up on Talk:Philippine Labor Migration Policy#Apparent confusion: Emigration vs. Migration#.  Not done I don't have the background for this and nobody else seems interested.  on review, this is unfamiliar19:33, 21 October 2020 (UTC) follow up on this/  put a disclaimer in the lead section 13:27, 7 October 2020 (UTC) follow up on this.  made corrections in several articles 09:15, 23 September 2020 (UTC) Follow up on Talk:Colonization/Archives/2021#Wrong definition?.  Done Another editor actioned this here. 18:14, 26 June 2020 (UTC) Follow up at Talk:Abakada alphabet#Evolution of the Abakada alphabet  No action 10:16, 23 September 2020 (UTC) no action due to little topical background on my part and no interest from other editors. 05:48, 26 June 2020 (UTC) follow up on Talk:USS Stark (FFG-31)#Removal of content re Dassault Falcon 50.  No action 2:01 pm, 30 June 2020 I had to bail on this. It needs to be done, but I'm not the guy to do it. 10:23, 24 May 2020 (UTC) check this for resumption of vandalism after only/final warning.  No action vandal was blocked indefinitely by another admin. 12:54, 11 April 2020 (UTC) discuss / follow up at Wikipedia talk:Templates#Refs in templates 09:55, 23 April 2020 (UTC) (comment) I see this as a real need, but pursuing it is probably a waste of time.  No action 10:16, 23 September 2020 (UTC) Nothing can be done for now.  Done 12:46, 11 April 2020 (UTC) Check for response at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:%C3%86var_Arnfj%C3%B6r%C3%B0_Bjarmason#Cite_extension  No action 2020-03-22 discuss at Talk:Republic of Zamboanga#Not a sovereign state as needed.  Done 2020-03-21 follow up on Talk:American imperialism#Characterization of Thomas Jefferson in the article  Done 2020-03-11 work on Draft:Government in exile of the Commonwealth of the Philippines  Done 2020-03-10 follow up on Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines/Task force Philippine History#History during the early part of WW-II  No action 2020-02-11 follow up on Talk:Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement#Cancel lation of the VFA  Done 2020-02-10 follow up on Talk:Filipinos#Languages listed in the infobox  Done 2020-02-09 follow up on Talk:Patriotic Oath (Philippines)#Text of the Patriotic Oath (revisited).  No action 2020-02-07 follow up on Template talk:Sfn#sfn's ref name issues.  Done 2020-01-25 follow up on Wikipedia talk:Copying within Wikipedia#Proper attribution (folllowing on Template talk:Copied#Should this template be removed?).  Done 2020-01-23 follow up on Template talk:Copied#Should this template be removed?.  Done 2020-01-19 follow up on my proposal in Talk:Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752#Number of Swedish citizens re the nationality table  Done: [5]2020-01-12 follow up on Talk:USS Stark (FFG-31)#Need to balance detail  No action follow up on Talk:Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists#Move Request?  No action follow up on Talk:Operation Praying Mantis#Problem with outdated info and Talk:List of current ships of the Islamic Republic of Iran Navy#Problem with outdated info  Done follow up on Talk:Ex nihilo#Creation out of quantum nothingness  Done follow up on this (and see infobox at Vietnam War)  No action follow up on this.  No action follow up on this  Implemented update articles related to this  Done Lupang Hinirang, re Talk:Lupang Hinirang#Quoted versions of lyrics 2019-10:talk:Tejeros Convention#Added info -- Needs discussion and more work  Done Added {{Contradicts other}} templates to both articles mentioned there. 2019-9: Talk:State religion#Notes regarding and support for assertions made visually in a map image WP:VPI#Support for non-textual assertions  No action No discussion ensued. 2019-9:  Implemented talk:Jussie Smollett alleged assault#The term "MAGA hat" and article lead 2019-9:  No action talk:Debian#Debian being a Unix-like operating system 2019-9:  No action template talk:infobox OS#OS family

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Hi Abhay Tiwari subh.vokk (talk) 20:20, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 10:08, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Could you come to the Barbie (film) article and look into the #Nine-dash line controversy section? JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 08:27, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It looked OK to me. do you have a specific concern? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 10:12, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly don't know. I just wanted you to check if there's any bias or error in phrasing, quotation, etc.. JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 10:48, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Enjoy Denisarona (talk) 08:40, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A bit early in my day -- I just finished breakfast. I'll enjoy it later. Thanks. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 09:37, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Would this work [6]? Vacosea (talk) 18:48, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me. An editor with source-supported updated info could notice this and update it easily, Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:16, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The redirect Full Metal Jacket should redirect to the disambiguation page. Existing links in articles needs to be changed. Blockhaj (talk) 12:09, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand why we are going back and forth about this, but here's what appears to have happened; see here:

1. You created a new redirect named Full Metal Jacket redirecting to the Full Metal Jacket (movie) article
2. You then changed the redirect target to Full metal jacket [7]
3. I reverted that [8]
4. You unreverted back to the error [9]
5. I un-unreverted [10]

Wikilink references in various WP articles are a separate issue. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 12:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What error? I moved the article "Full Metal Jacket" to "Full Metal Jacket (movie)" so that page name can be redirected to the disambiguation page full metal jacket, which covers both spellings. Previously the movie article sat at "Full Metal Jacket" with "full metal jacket" redirecting to it. That is erronous since the name can refer to several things, especially the ammunition from which the movie got its name. Blockhaj (talk) 13:30, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Blockhaj, besides the above, the move was undiscussed. You broke many many links with the move. Please establish consensus with a requested move discussion. older ≠ wiser 15:48, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this needs to be worked out by editorial consensus. I took a quick look at how the articles are currently disambiguated and it looks OK to me except that I would add

For other uses of the term full metal jacket in various capitalizations, see Full metal jacket (disambiguation).

to the Full Metal Jacket Diary article. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:43, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Checked. I just ref-ized a source citation already present, assuming good faith. It may or may not be verifiable, but I am not able to check that. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:44, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm Hannahlouise5678 (talk) 11:56, 25 January 2024 (UTC). In the article - The Spanish-American War, you marked a citation as FV in the section - 'aftermath in acquired territories.' I've just double-checked the reference and quote, and it is referenced correctly.[reply]

Also, in your comment you mentioned POV OR, would you be able to comment further on which aspects of the edit that refers to, I would like to alter the section if it doesn't have neutrality. Thank you! Hannahlouise5678 (talk) 11:56, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Thanks for pointing that out. Placing the fv tag was a clear error on my part; I've removed it. I had checked the source and I don't know how I missed seeing that the snippet quoted is in there. That quote states a 2008 characterization by the author of the source cited, Sam Erman. I don't recognize that name, but I'm not an academic. In any case, I don't know if his characterization is reliable enough to support framing it as fact that those words marked the legislation mentioned. That sort of thing is common in WP, but it seems POVish and ORish to me. I didn't do any research on this, but I suspect that there might be other published sources of comparable reliability and significance but with with differing viewpoints. Perhaps a bit of research is in order in the interests of WP:DUE. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:08, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Wtmichell, see if you agree with my edit here. I believe your wording here was clear and corresponds to the intent of the statement. It was changed here, now it makes no sense as legality is a state of. Wjereas laws make provision for penalties, the legality of an act can at most make references to such attendant penalties. [FWIIW, the account that made the change is blocked for disruptive editing] Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 10:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no problem with that. Thanks for asking. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, Wtmitchell. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or draft page you started, "Wilkins Coffee".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As you can see in my edits, the "clarifying quotation" was retained in both cites as seen here The sovereignty of a State is co-extensive with its territorial limits — and here (quotation retained). What you did was introduce a citation error back into the article seen here (that I had fixed}, and duplicated the same ref again as seen here - ref 19 and here - ref 108 (that I had fixed} (with the same quotation you claimed I removed). In the future, please be more careful when reverting valid edits. Thanks. Isaidnoway (talk) 23:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I walked thru the versions.

• This one had a maint/error reading harvnb error: multiple targets (2×): CITEREFBautista2009.
• In this one, you cleaned that up by re-using another cite.

I: clearly missed seeing that the quote at issue was present in the re-used cite. My error. However, on taking this fresh look at this, I question the appropriateness of that quotation in a citation asserting (in the other ref to that cite) that the date of the latest territorial change of the Philippines was 2012. Offhand, I think not -- but that is an entirely separate issue. I may bring that up separately on the article talk page. Thank you for your cleanup work, and I apologize for havig gotten in the way of that with a ham-handed edit. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I think i have sorted the First Philippine Republic formatting issue now, by moving the notelist out of the List of cabinets of the Philippines article. Can you see if it affects any other related articles? Matilda Maniac (talk) 01:44, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think any other articles are involved. I introduced all this complication long ago in an attempt to avoid having two separately-maintained tables that could bbe counted on to get out of sync. It's been a headache ever since. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:03, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

there are different ways to transclude sections, and they appear all the time on soccer tournament articles to maintain information to be in sync. Transclusion is my friend ! Matilda Maniac (talk) 05:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, did you intend List of cabinets of the Philippines sandbox to be created in main space? Wikishovel (talk) 04:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

no. my error. I'll remove it. Thanks. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 08:51, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: the text "granted independence on July 4, 1946 by the Treaty of Manila", MOS:YEAR shows that for mdy-formatted dates like involved here, "A comma follows the year unless other punctuation obviates it." AWB typos correct this accordingly, and anyone using AWB to fix typos will come across this and fix it again. To be clear, I'm not blaming AWB - I'm saying AWB is correct per guidelines and I take responsibility for the correct typo fix I made with it. This is not a big deal for the time-being, but I hope you will revert the revert. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 16:07, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:57, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! I noticed that you've been active in editing some Philippine history related articles. I'm currently trying to gauge interest in reviving the old PH history taskforce and would like to invite you if you're interested. What do you think? Cheers NyanThousand (talk) 08:31, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. That is a major topical interest area for me, with focus on the 1896-1946 time period. I'm not currently interested in the mechanics of administrating or managing a task force, but please keep me in the loop. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 09:14, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just noted your recent clean up of Paracel Islands references into Havard style. Are you using the Havardb template rather than the more concise sfnp template (which I have never used myself but does same thing) because article style started using ref entities ? Just asking as someone more interest in geology than history and I know how to use sfn and efn correctly in a new article which most do not, and do not want to use sfn template shorthand wrongly. ChaseKiwi (talk) 19:51, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To answer your question directly -- yes; harv style shortened footnotes predate rp and sfnp in this article

WP generally tries to make life easy for users who use it as a resource. As a WP editor, I try to keep that in mind. Inconsistency in citation styles within an article introduces needless difficulties for users. I should probably have replaced the {{sfnp}}s with {{sfn}}s using the optional p= parameter, but I'm comfortable with {{harvnb}} and used that by habit. See here -- please do take a look at it.

Without trying to describe how it came to be this way, I'll note that inline parenthetical referencing was used early on in WP and became deprecated in favor of shortened footnotes. However. the {{rp}} template, which presents pageno information for a footnoted cite inline rather than in the footnote, survived that deprecation. At some point, {{sfn}} appeared. To an editor, sfn looks like harvnb except that it doesn't need to be wrapped in a Ref. Some time later, {{sfnp}} appeared, uses the inline style of rp to present the pageno info.Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:28, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As is apparent from my strikeouts above, I misunderstood sfnp -- I thought that I had looked at how one instance was rendered and seen the pageno inline in rp style. Apparently, my deconstructing the snmps into Ref'd harvnbs was not needed. I don't think it's a problem as it is now, so I won't change it back. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, although I believe snf and snfp substute the call to harvnb for quicker load times. ChaseKiwi (talk) 03:52, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hope you get to read Tonnesson which I have tried to send you ChaseKiwi (talk) 01:05, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I have now investigated as far as possible for me lack of doi that you discovered at Territorial disputes in the South China Sea at Agusman article. The paper in the journal website is definite and the author seems to be a lawyer high up in Indonesian Foreign Ministry as well as holding academic posts so its not really an uncontaminated secondary source but could have been written and published with an eye of getting Indonesia's evolving position in print. I found an apparent pre-print of the article as well as the accepted version with minor content changes. I have also identified at least one other recent paper in journal where doi reported and not assigned example. Not sure how long is reasonable to wait for doi to be registered so not sure if best to remove the doi and add access-date to the url instead. ChaseKiwi (talk) 07:43, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, and thanks for your work there. I am not an academic, and I have other personal circumstances that generally limit me to online access. It is not uncommon for me to be unable to access cited sources via doi links -- I don't know why, but I sometime3s add a url link to such cites if I am able to access a copy by online searching, as I did here. In this particular case, I know nothing about the potential intrest conflict indications you describe and have no competence to pursue that. All that aside, the doi link in the article ([11]), for me, navigates to a not-found notice on doi.org. I was able to locate an online-accessible copy of the article by searching, however, so I added a url link to that to the cite. I am also not legally trained, and my understanding of the legal technicalities here are those of an interested layman -- interested because I am a longtime resident of the Philippines. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:22, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Just checking to see if you recall this edit [12] because it kind of appears that there may have been some unintentional changes. It looks like you edited an earlier version of the article than the current one. Dawnseeker2000 19:18, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I vaguely recall that edit but not the details that led to it. Thanks for calling it to my attention -- I'll try to take another look at it later today. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:14, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

continuing ... The edit summary of my 06:54, September 1 ecit was confusing and incomplete. I was probably innterrupted in mid-edit and rushed it out. I should not have done that -- my error. The edit inserted a sentence saying, "Dewey cabled Washington that he controlled the bay but would need 5,000 additional men to seize the city.", and that should have been done in a separate edit with a separate summary. The reason I inserted that sentence is a bit complicated and I'll try too explain it briefly here, but first I'll note that it is in the Subsequent action section, and that section is full of unsupported assertions somewhat related to this addition in that they do indicate that maintaining the blockade wasn't dead simple for Dewey. It's beyond this article's scope, but it is covered in other articles that the land forces would not begin arriving until the end of June. Dewey needed to do something to keep the Spanish forces here from focusing on him while he maintained the blockade during that period. What he did was to return Emilio Aguinaldo from exile in Hong Kong This is in scope for the Philippine Revolution article; that says: "Dewey cabled Washington, stating that although he controlled Manila Bay, he needed 5,000 additional men to seize Manila itself. The fleet remained in Manila Bay while reinforcements were sent from the United States.[89][90]" and goes on to describe Dewey bringing Aguinaldo to Manila. Some messy details related to this are in Hong Kong Junta § American involvement in the Philippines. Other articles also contain info about all of this and they all generally mention and wikilink this article, yet this article contains nothing about it. Supported mention of some of this should probably be added to the Subsequent action section, and those expected land forces are probably the only reason that Dewey needsd to hang around to maintain the blockade. There are probably sources that give details about this, but I haven't seen them (I'm limited to what I can find on the internet). Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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BGerdemann (WMF) (talk) 19:22, 23 October 2024 (UTC) [reply]

Could you kindly comment on Talk:Hanni_(singer). There is an issue which you appear to have some past experience in. Travelmite (talk) Travelmite (talk) 07:16, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Accepting and following up from your comments about Hanni (singer) and observing a widespread problem in music artist pages and news sources with a multi-national background, I have written a section under Wikipedia:Nationalist editing regarding my understanding of WP:BLP, in particular, about making presumptions about citizenship and ethnicity in biographies. It deserves to be reviewed and refined by those with a long-term interest in Wikipedia policy, in particular someone who understands the legal complexities of citizenship. Travelmite (talk) 07:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have also updated Hanni_(singer) so if you would like to check, thanks in advance. Travelmite (talk) 11:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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BGerdemann (WMF) (talk) 00:17, 13 November 2024 (UTC) [reply]

With all due respect to the revert of Natural-born-citizen clause (United States). How do we know that the mentioned December immediately followed the previously mentioned November date, and didn't happen one year later? What if someone took the December sentence and cited it in another article in Wikipedia or elsewhere? Without the year, it could be confusing or, worse yet, inaccurate. WP:DATE recommends always using the year for clarity. Would you please consider reverting your revert. Thanks. Truthanado (talk) 01:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for asking. With equal respect, I disagree with that usage. It is common practice to say or to write something like "in [named month], [specified year[, [...]. In [later month in the same year], [...]." without repeating the year. Re your example, that would be an error and should be corrected by an editor noticing it, probably by specifying or otherwise indicating the differing year. If you disagree, please bring this up on the article talk page and/or the talk page of the relevant MOS page. I think that consensus would be with my view, but I could be wrong. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 08:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]