User talk:TopGun/Archives/2011/July

This is an archive of past discussions with User:TopGun. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

When you are reverted, you need to take the issue to the talk page, not fight over it. Please read WP:BOLD for an illustration of how this works.

Meanwhile, you're adding what appears to be your personal opinion, without references. We use refs on WP. AFAICT, your opinion does not match the historical record -- but again, that is a matter for the refs to decide. — kwami (talk) 01:02, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

These are not my 'opinions', they are logical facts which the page itself refers to & I also tagged a reference with the edit. Actually instead of asking me to the talk page to "first discuss" after reverting, was a bad idea since you not agreeing with my edit already means that we should go to talk: WP:Don't revert due to "no consensus".

Anyway, already added a discussion on the bottom of the talk page of the article under a relevant topic which you appear not to have noticed. Hope to resolve it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hassanhn5 (talk • contribs) 01:30, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

It's up to the proposer, not to the reverter, to demonstrate the accuracy of the proposal. Please read WP:BOLD.

"Logic" has nothing to do with it: we base our articles on sources. Please read WP:RS.

Correct, I did not recognize you, since you signed in under a different name. Please choose one name and stick to it, or people generally will fail to recognize you.

BTW, I did reply to those comments, not realizing it was you. If you think Gandhi invented the term "Hindustani", may I suggest you read up on the history of India. — kwami (talk) 01:32, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

That being said, "first discuss" is still a 'not helpful' option as mentioned in WP:Don't revert due to "no consensus" which I happened to see after reading WP:BOLD. Logic here means consistency, which is an essential part of the informative writing. --lTopGunl (talk) 01:42, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

I was having some difficulty setting up the username with certain symbols due to which there was such inconvenience. As for the term being "used" and not "invented" by Gandhi, the edit I made itself included the reference tag. --lTopGunl (talk) 01:45, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

AFAICT, your edit was factually wrong. It was also unreferenced. Any unreferenced material may be removed. I removed it. Again, if you make a claim, it's up to your to demonstrate it. That's what would be logical. — kwami (talk) 01:49, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Since you keep on repeating, it was actually referenced. The edit had a tag to main Hindi-Urdu controversy. --lTopGunl (talk) 01:51, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

That's not a reference, that's a link. And a link to WP! We can't use WP to reference WP.

You addition was, Although the name "Hindustani" is not as neutral as "Hindi-Urdu" since it gives reference to the Hindu religion/culture creating a bias against Muslim Urdu speakers, especially in Pakistan. You are giving an opinion, yet stating it as fact, and even claiming here that it is fact! I think you need to explore the difference between 'fact' and 'opinion'. Second, the bizarre claim that use of this Muslim-Urdu word 'creates bias against Muslim Urdu speakers, esp. in Pakistan' certainly needs to be ref'd. If it's so offensive to Muslims, why would Muslims have coined it?

Distinguish fact from opinion, and reference your claims. It doesn't matter the subject, them's the rules. — kwami (talk) 01:49, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

My reference was to the modern day subcontinent while talking of the bias. The controversy article was already well linked, hence the addition was supported.

Since the discussion is bending more towards the article, it would be easier to continue it along on the article discussion page. --lTopGunl (talk) 02:06, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

For record and to prevent confusion, copied the duplicate discussion from kwami (talk). --lTopGunl (talk) 02:13, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

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