User talk:Richlitt

Please write a summary before removing content although the page was written by yourself. Unexplained blanking edits will be reverted automatically.-.-Juhko ^{(SIIS DAA?)} 12:46, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I clarified why I removed that section. Still unsure about one or two places. Richlitt (talk) 12:53, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Richlitt
Scientific classification
Missing taxonomy template (fix):	Adfasd

Yesterday I saw you were having trouble with the taxobox at Talk:Trichothallus, and I put explaining it to you on my to-do list. Just now I saw your post on the iNaturalist forums, and followed that to your thread on GitHub.

You may have figured things out by now, but just in case you haven't: every higher taxon (above species) needs to have a template created on Wikipedia for that taxon in order for automatic taxoboxes to work. If the template doesn't yet exist, there will be a message "Missing taxonomy template (fix):", where "fix" is links that takes you to a page where you can create the necessary template. You will need to fill in |rank= with the appropriate value (e.g. genus), and give the next highest taxon in |parent=. |link= has code that will automatically fill it with the name of template. |ref= isn't required, but it would be nice if you fill it in with a reference that shows that the taxon is accepted and supports the value given for |parent=. Once you've saved the template, the taxobox in the taxon article should work.

It's perfectly fine to add a taxobox without creating the taxonomy template. The article will go into an error tracking category, and somebody will create the template in fairly short order. Wikipedia generally doesn't have taxonomy templates for higher taxa that don't yet have articles, and there are some higher taxa that do have articles that are still using the old {{Taxobox}} and haven't yet had taxonomy templates created.

I don't have a GitHub account, but I do have some comments relevant to the thread there.

|name= is basically useless. It provides a header for the taxobox. The current default if |name= isn't specified is to take the article title for the taxobox header, italicizing it if the title is a scientific name (at genus or lower rank). |name= could be used to display a common name, but if there is a single well-known and widely used common name, that should be the title of the article anyway. The only current use I see for |name= is to provide a single less well-known common name with a reference for that name (previously |name= had some functionality in italicizing the scientific name in the header, but that is handled by other code now).

|image_caption= should always be included in {{Automatic taxobox}} to identify the species illustrated. It's less important in {{Speciesbox}} where there often isn't any "additional information about the image" to convey.

|type_species= and |type_species_authority= should only show up in {{Automatic taxobox}}, not {{Speciesbox}}.

The most frequent edge case in setting up Speciesboxes is dealing with genera named under different nomenclatural codes that share a name. In this case, the taxonomy template are disambiguated. See e.g. Template:Taxonomy/Oreocharis (bird) and Template:Taxonomy/Oreocharis (plant) for Oreocharis (bird) and Oreocharis (plant). When taxonomy templates are disambiguated, |taxon= won't work in Speciesbox. |genus= and |species= must be used instead (with the appropriate parenthetical disambiguation included in the value given for |genus=). I much prefer using |genus=+|species= over |taxon= in Speciesboxes, since the former always works. However, it sounds like it is difficult for iNaturalist to separate genus and species values, and it will be beyond difficult for iNaturalist to know what terms Wikipedia uses to disambiguate genera with the same name in the taxonomy templates. While plants and fungi almost always use (plant) and (fungus) to disambiguate relevant taxonomy templates, animals usually use a class for vertebrates (e.g. (bird), (fish)), an order for insects (e.g. (beetle), (fly)), and may be highly inconsistent in what disambiguator is used for other phyla. Plantdrew (talk) 21:36, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all of this help! It did clarify some things for me. I didn't figure everything else out - a lot of the information you shared was new. I think it might be useful to explain this elsewhere - particularly that `name|=` isn't all that useful, and that `|taxon=` is useful, even if it isn't one of the actual parameters available.

Sorting out all of the taxonomic differences between iNaturalist and Wikipedia is definitely above my pay-grade. I just wanted to make it easier to make new pages.

Thank you.

P.S. I haven't been able to reply for the past day or so, due to Wikipedia blocking my IP. It happens occasionally when I have used a VPN normally, even if I stop using it. Richlitt (talk) 06:34, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

|taxon= is an available parameter in both Speciesboxes and Automatic taxoboxes. Speciesboxes were originally designed to take just |genus= and |species=, but support for |taxon= was added later (I'm not a coder, but my understanding is that the value in |taxon= is processed by breaking it into two words, with the words passed along as if they were values from |genus= and |species=). Plantdrew (talk) 21:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I see taxon= now in Speciesbox (not sure how I missed it). But it's not listed anywhere on Taxobox, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Taxobox. Am I missing something? Richlitt (talk) 04:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

{{Taxobox}} needs to have all the ranks to be displayed individually specified via parameters in every article that uses a manual Taxobox. Manual Taxoboxes don't "know" what rank to give to "taxon". Automatic taxoboxes/Speciesboxes have the rank encoded in the taxonomy templates that they call. Manual Taxoboxes support a large number of parameters for the various taxonomic ranks that it might be desirable to display, but do not support |taxon=. Automatic taxoboxes do not support parameters for different taxonomic ranks, but do support |taxon=.

The parent/child relationships between taxonomy templates also make it possible for Automatic taxoboxes to display a nested hierarchy of clades in the proper order (manual Taxoboxes have no way to know where to position a particular clade in a hierarchy of ranks/clades). Plantdrew (talk) 01:44, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's all really useful information. Perhaps it should be added to Taxobox, even if the parameter isn't used there? Richlitt (talk) 09:37, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for your contributions to List of parks in the Wellington Region. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it has no sources and you may have published it prematurely. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

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Thanks. I've added a source. I figured a start was better than nothing. I can continue to work on it later. Richlitt (talk) 07:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Welcome to Wikipedia. I have been taking a look at the plant article you created entitled Austrothamnium pandum. I would like to invite you to peruse Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants where a group of many of us interested in plants and botany can find information on formatting taxon articles, suggestions on sources, and ask questions.

If you are interested in getting involved with editing plant species articles, we have an event in the project called the WikiProject Plants Stub-to-Start drive. It is happening now and is ongoing. A Stub-class article is what you created with Austrothamnium pandum. This provided just a placeholder for a later useful article. There are tens of thousands of Stub-class articles on Wikipedia, and, sadly, they often are never updated again.

What we are doing in the WikiProject Plants Stub-to-Start drive is taking our existing Plants project species Stubs and improving them enough that they can provide helpful information to the reader and can be encyclopedic. Start-class articles are a step above Stub-class.

I hope you will take a look at the WikiProject Plants Stub-to-Start drive page and consider joining this event. You could even make Austrothamnium pandum the first article you improve, and then edit and improve any other of the plant species articles you have created since you joined. If you have questions about the drive or the instructions, please leave a message on the talk page there or on my talk page. Again, welcome to Wikipedia. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 03:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Eewilson! Thanks for the kind post.

I often make stubs because I want others to help - and I update with what I can. For many plants, there simply isn't a lot of information, so the idea of taking it from a stub to a full article is unrealistic. This is the case the A. pandum, I believe. So I'm not sure how to improve it much.

This article, and other edits, was partially inspired by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Wellington/2024_NZ_Species_Edit-a-thon, which sounds similar to what you do! Richlitt (talk) 00:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I apologize for my delayed response. I will take a look at the link you provided. Would you mind if I took a look at any articles you have created and made suggestions? – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 18:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mind. :) Thank you! Richlitt (talk) 03:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Richlitt. Thank you for your work on Anisops. Another editor, Hughesdarren, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Hi, Thanks for the article, if the speciesbox doesn't display properly next time let me know and I can probably sort it out. Cheers

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