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Zzyzx11 | Talk 03:02, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hey Gareon! I just wanted to ask if you can confirm the info in the Prime Minister of the Philippines article. Sources are hard to come by. Thanks. --Noypi380 09:22, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ang galing galing mo pare! Very impressive work!--Jondel 08:34, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Written by an expert...excellent work! A suggested improvement: a list of notable persons who have been awarded the Order of Sikatuna...that would be an nice touch to the article. --- Tito Pao 12:15, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for your contributions to Manuel L. Quezon, but a lot of it seems to be copied directly from internet sources such as this. Copyright violations have to be removed from Wikipedia. Please revise your edits to remove copyrighted content... thanks. :) Coffee 05:03, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The additions were with the approval of Jonathan and Ed Malaya, but if there's any problem, let me know.

GareonGareon

Ah, that's great then. No problem. :) Coffee 08:33, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Reread Wikipedia stuff, I guess it's too complicated to use published work. So reverted to an older version, will rewrite it more thoroughly so as to adhere more conscientiously to Wiki policies! GareonGareon

Please becareful about copying and pasting. These are serious violations in wikipedia and journalism.--Jondel 02:49, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Copying and pasting what? Also, it's Quezon Service Cross, to use the term "award" for a decoration is wrong. Also, I noticed you removed "benefaction" etc, but that's in the official criteria, should we perhaps put it in quotes so it's not viewed as POV? Thanks. Am eager to learn, so please let me know what you think should be changed/improved. Gareon

Garreon, your contributions are higly appreciated.

1) Please state your sources. Believe me , when you don't its like honey for bee-like copyright checkers.

2) If you did copy state at the bottom with something like courtesy of or this material is a copy of.

3) Ideas can't be copyrighted so rewrite. Read , then write from memory without looking at the original.

4) I think the Quezon Service Cross came from here . Second paragraph down at the ninoy material. There are maaaany people who copy and paste and it takes too much time to rewrite. They really are very strict here . Please be careful. Please understand.

I am trying to rewrite it so that it does not appear copied . --Jondel 10:55, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Garreon please read the following and rewrite , if not , I or another administrator may have to go through your contributions and post a violation for copied articles since I don't have the time to rewrite. This is a standard in journalism. Please do not copy and paste.--Jondel 11:12, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Jondel, both the press statement and the article on Wikipedia quoted the law, here is the actual provision: (EO 236, actual text):

"SECTION 5. Honors Conferred.

I. Quezon Service Cross (Krus ng Serbisyo ni Quezon) –

Created by Joint Resolution No. 4 dated October 21, 1946 of the First Congress of the Republic of the Philippines, the Quezon Service Cross is a Decoration conferred by the President of the Philippines with the concurrence of the Congress of the Philippines on Filipino citizens for exemplary service to the nation in such a manner and such a degree as to add great prestige to the Republic of the Philippines, or as to contribute to the lasting benefit of its people.

Nominations for the Quezon Service Cross shall state the services meriting the award and shall be made only in cases where the service performed or contribution made can be measured on the scale established by the national benefaction of the late President Manuel L. Quezon."

The EO terms were lifted, in term, almost verbatim from Joint Resolution No. 4:

"[JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 4]

JOINT RESOLUTION TO CREATE THE QUEZON SERVICE CROSS FOR EXEMPLARY SERVICE TO THE NATION IN MEMORY OF THE LATE PRESIDENT MANUEL L. QUEZON.

WHEREAS, the life of Manuel L. Quezon is and should be a shining inspiration to the people of the Philippines now and in the future; WHEREAS, the values and ideals exemplified in the resplendent public service of the late President Manuel L. Quezon constitute a standard by which other contributions to the people's welfare can be compared and evaluated; WHEREAS, the unselfish devotion to the public good and the supreme sacrifice of life in the cause of his country made of Manuel L. Quezon one of the great heroes of all time; WHEREAS, the memory of the late and beloved President will be cherished by his people through the generations to come, in company with the other immortals of our nation; and WHEREAS, it is proper and desirable in commemoration of his name that the model of his life and achievements be used as a standard of recognition for all great and lasting contributions to the welfare of the people: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the Philippines in Congress assembled:

To establish, as there is hereby established, an award to be known as the Quezon Service Cross, to be granted by the President of the Philippines, with the concurrence in each case of the Congress of the Philippines, for exemplary service to the nation in such a manner and such a degree as to add great prestige to the Republic of the Philippines, or as to contribute to the lasting benefit of its people. Nominations for this award shall be accomplished by a statement of the services meriting the award and shall be made only in cases where the service performed or contribution made can be measured on the scale established by the national benefaction of the late President Manuel L. Quezon. That the President be authorized to provide for the design and conformation of suitable medal and ribbon accompanying the award, and to issue necessary rules and regulations governing the precedence and privileges of the award and of its recipients: Provided, that Congress may in the future establish such further benefits for the recipients of this award as may be found desirable.

Approved, October 21, 1946."

Hope this is ok? Gareon

Garreon, could you give me the source link for the above ? I would appreciate a link for the 'Library of the Philippine Constitution' for the section that you placed above. in the statement below.

This article incorporates public domain text from the [Library of the Philippine Constitution]."

Please feel free to place the statement at the bottom.

Government sources are public domain but even then it would be good to place the above or similar statements.

Thanks,--Jondel 00:57, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Jondel, the documents are in my possession, one is from an old copy of the Official Gazette, the other from a xerox copy of the actual E.O. how do we do that? Gareon 08:41, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Gareon, things are OK. Let me insert this statements instead:This article incorporates public domain text from the library of the Philippine Congress.

Baka gusto mong tumambay => Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines.

Keep up the good work!.--Jondel 01:40, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! It's a pleasure to be learning on the fly! Gareon 08:39, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dude, Gar .. nag-eedit ka pala rito! :-D --Chris S. 05:33, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, hehehe Gareon 08:39, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, need your advice again. Can you check the Talk:2005 Philippine electoral crisis. Thanks. --Noypi380 08:37, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hey again. I was just curious if you need help with the signature feature of wikipedia. For example, like this "--Noypi380 16:11, 17 December 2005 (UTC)". If you are not familiar, I can help. During editing, one would find 11 buttons on top of the editing box. Press the second button from the right, after you finish writing you're text. Symbols will appear, which will eventually become your signature, after you press "save page". It will render your username, date and time. :) --Noypi380 16:11, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's four tildes ~~~~. But I think Gar knows how to use it - I see that he has used it above. --Chris S. 19:33, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Okie dokie then, though I use --~~~~, which works too. Happy editing, :) --Noypi380 09:34, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I never remember how many tildes. Sorry about that. Gareon 14:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gareon, I'm just amazed about the info that you shared on the "Presidential Study", maybe we can start an article about that if you have mo infos to share, we can do an article patterned like the Oval Office as The Presidential Study, the official office of the President of the Philippines. But we also need refrences on those too. Thanks. --Glenncando 07:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Glenncando. All that information is accessible in "Malacanan Palace: The Official Illustrated History" which is a bit expensive, but if you're in Powerbooks or Fully Booked, you can browse the book. Gareon 09:52, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Gar! I think that the current List of Vice Presidents of the Philippines is inaccurate. Would you agree, or I got something wrong. Why would Tejeros Convention be equated to "the Philippines"? --Noypi380 14:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Noypi. Unfortunately, we're stuck on the point that the Office of the Vice-President Website carries information on Trias being a VP and so, that information has to be reproduced in Wikipedia. As I've repeatedly argued, we must strive for a certain level of consistency. If Malolos was the First Republic, than any regime that came before was not a government in the full sense of the word. But every time I bring this up the OVP website is mentioned... Gareon 14:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. According to the verifiable content policy, as long as the OVP source is labeled the "official" source, and it is unchallenged by a credible third party source: Then the OVP roster is the basis of the wikipedia roster. So I guess that is the end of it, unfortunately. --Noypi380 17:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you'll reply to a post in a talk page, prefix it first with ":" so that the poster everyone will know to whom is your reply. Thanks. --Howard the Duck 14:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies. Thanks for the correction!Gareon 14:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but I think I saw the user name "Gareon" somewhere in the Internet (on LJ, I think). Are you the same person? --- Tito Pao 12:10, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. Yup, that's me.Gareon 13:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Whoa...I'm not worthy! =D --- Tito Pao 14:47, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! In case you do not know, there is an article Sandugo and Sandugo Festival that talks about it being symbolized in the Order of Sikatuna. FYI. --Pinay06(Talk•Email) 22:07, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and by the way, in the article, Pacto de Sangre links to the metal band of the same name, not the actual ritual made between Sikatuna and Miguel Lopez de Legazpi. IMHO, it is best to link it to Sandugo. I did not edit without letting you know first. --Pinay06(Talk•Email) 22:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is also a stub on Blood compact which encompasses all others, including Sandugo and the one made between Magellan and Lapulapu. --Pinay06(Talk•Email) 22:17, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the link to Sandugo. Let me point out again that the current link to Pacto de Sangre still links to the metal band (as opposed to the El pacto de sangre painting of Juan Luna) which, if I'm not wrong, has absolutely nothing to do at all with the article. Maybe remove the wiki link and change to italics to denote Spanish translation of blood compact, i.e., instead of Pacto de Sangre, Pacto de sangre. Once again, in deference and respect to you User:Gareon, I inhibit myself from making the edit myself. --Pinay06 (Talk•Email) 08:56, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In the talk page, I discuss the historical fallacy that underpins the creation of the Order. The Sikatuna-Legazpi blood compact was not a treaty, it was not the first recorded blood compact, and Sikatuna was not the only datu who participated in the blood letting. The first blood compact, named casi casi by Ferdinand Magellan, took place at the island-port of Mazaua on Holy Thursday, March 28, 1521, 44 years before the event immortalized in Juan Luna’s painting, which was the inspiration for the Executive Order creating the Order of Sikatuna. The first treaty was called Peace Treaty by Magellan. It occurred on Tuesday, April 9, 1521 in Cebu and was entered into by raia Humabon, king of Cebu, binding his kingdom, and Magellan, for and in behalf of the Spanish Crown. For precision's sake, it was not a treaty between the Philippines and Spain, two sovereign nations. The idea of a nation did not come into the Filipino's consciousness not until the 19th century. I might add that "precision" is only another name for truth.

If we then follow the logic behind the Executive Order creating the Order of Sikatuna, the decoration should be renamed Order of Raias Siaiu and Humabon, combining the ideas of blood brotherhood and treaty of peace.

The Philippine government should move swiftly to correct this lapse in historical precision. A similar Order, the Order of Kalantiaw, has been removed once it was established beyond doubt that Kalantiaw was a hoax. But it took eighteen (18) years after the hoax had been exposed by historian William Henry Scott. Those who received the decoration, usually retired Chief Justices of the Philippine Supreme Court and in rare cases Associate Justices, are now holding dubious distinctions if not indeed worthless awards.

The same will happen with the Order of Sikatuna award except that this leaves the Republic of the Philippines open to the charge of incompetence in establishing historical fact and truth. Better to solve the problem now than to keep on living with a fraud. Indeed, a hoax. The embarrassment is of global proportion because awardees have come from all points of the world. --Vicente Calibo de Jesus (talk) 09:53, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for what I have done, and I am in the process of fixing the image. You're also welcome to email me (you can press "E-mail this user" or go to my userpage and find out). I just need to do the eagle and it should be finished either tonight or tomorrow. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 23:14, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

zach, no need to apologize, i just don't see the point in reinventing the wheel. the official image already being used is as definitive as an image can get.Gareon 07:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What I am probably going to do is this: I almost finished the SVG drawing. I need to draw the olive branch and it will be complete. I am going to rename the other file and hopefully, that should be a solution that everyone could live with. I will also write to Philippines Gov't offices in the US and see if I can get a better scan of the arms. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 04:24, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas!!! The real meaning of Christmas is thisand this... I also want you to enjoy this and this --Pinay06 (Talk•Email) 04:54, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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