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Hey, Notuncurious, I know you're in and out, but I wonder if you might have a chance to create some of your wonderful maps for Eidyn. I'm preparing an article at User:Cuchullain/Eidyn and it would really benefit. Perhaps one of the Old North with Eidyn and Din Eidyn included, and another focusing closer up featuring Eidyn with some of the other key locations marked (Carriden, Din Eidyn, Manaw, Gododdin, etc.) At any rate, I hope all is well with you.--Cúchullain ^t/c 20:38, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Cuchullain:Hello Cuchullain, nice to hear from you, and glad to see article additions in areas that I seem to care about. I'd be happy to help, but with a short delay ... new computer, with things not in their original locations, some tedious but necessary self-coordination being necessary; and then there are the intrusions of real life, of course.

When I add the map to Commons, we can "iterate" it to best show what you want to have emphasized. I presume a regional map, to include the region just north of the Forth, far enough south to include Traprain Law (which you mention), but not so far west that both Edinburgh and Carriden become miniscule dots in a larger scenario? And somehow hilight that both places are candidates, or do you have a preference? And please mention any specifics that you'd like to see, else I'll just give it a shot. If you'd just like me to take an initial shot, no more particulars need be specified.

A few minor suggestions (geeze, already??!!) – you should feel free to ignore them completely:

• "capital" is a modern anachronism/inappropriate Romanism for Cymric strong points ... better would be llys (royal court, of which there would have been several, with one more important than the rest). There was certainly no governance in the modern or Roman sense, only reign and rule.
• Perhaps, mention the great weakness of Edinburgh Castle as a strong point, though not a disqualifying one: no water supply (which is know to have hampered its defensive value in medieval sieges).
• The Germanic peoples were called "Saxon" by the Cymry, but in this case they were invariably "Anglian" or "Bernician" or "Northumbrian"; Anglian would be better (and Anglo-Saxon is also a more recent characterization).

I'll be checking in again in the not-too-distant future. Regards, Notuncurious (talk) 03:13, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds great! And there's certainly no rush, it'll be easy enough to add when it's done. I was initially thinking of two maps, one large enough to show where Eidyn was in northern Britain, and a second one close up. But if we could get one map that's close enough to show the key locations but still broad enough to give an idea where in northern Britain we're talking about, that would be awesome.

I think the obvious locations to include would be Din Eidyn, Carriden, the wider Gododdin area, the Antonine Wall, and perhaps Lothian/Lleuddiniawn. If possible, some others like Traprain and Manaw would be good if all could fit. It could be good to have both Castle Rock and Arthur's seat on this map, but it seems like they're so close they'd run together. It may be better to include just "Din Eidyn", and leave the explanation of the two different locations for the article text.

Your suggestions for the article sound good too. "Anglian"/"Angles" works for me, as does changing out "capital" (though perhaps "court" will be clearer for readers than "llys"). I'd be happy to include the water issue with the Castle site, do you happen to know a source that explains this?

I'll get on the changes tomorrow. Let me know if you have any other thoughts or questions.--Cúchullain ^t/c 04:55, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I suppose it should also include Lleuddiniawn as well. I've made some other changes over the last few days.--Cúchullain ^t/c 05:33, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Notuncurious, on the off chance that you see this, I've finally moved the Eidyn article to the main space. One of your beautiful maps would be a great addition. Hope you're well.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:07, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]