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I'm not sure what you meant to type in this edit (and I'm not sure who you're attempting to quote or paraphrase), but I hope editors are having more successful fun than not :D isaacl (talk) 22:09, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Isaacl: twas meant to be "run". I suspect comparatively few editors find an RfA run "fun"! Nosebagbear (talk) 22:13, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, you kindly revdelled this at my request, but either picked up the wrong range to be revdelled, or I listed the wrong numbers - I'm not sure which. Would you mind having another look? The most recent non-infringing version is the current version, 1028257955, and the range to be revdelled is 1026266342 to 1026940653. Thanks and apologies. Tacyarg (talk) 21:33, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Tacyarg: I went for the range proposed, but the penultimate version (the edit before the current one) is1028257829, not 1026940653 Nosebagbear (talk) 23:02, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support MajaWiki82 (talk) 10:39, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I have attempted to publish a post in the Greta Garbo talk p., under the heading, "The lesbian thing again." But for two days, the changes have not been published and the writing was lost. Can you help me with this? Thank you! --Classicfilmbuff (talk) 21:08, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing about lesbian Art of Amina Cubahiro (talk) 17:31, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello --Art of Amina Cubahiro (talk) 16:43, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How do add pictures when creating your own page?🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 --Art of Amina Cubahiro (talk) 16:44, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there @Art of Amina Cubahiro:! Good to meet you. Are you asking in terms of adding an already uploaded photo to a page? The basic details can be seen by clicking on the link, but in summary: go to the page you'd like the image on (using the Visual Editor - looks a bit like Word), click the "insert" tab and press "images and media". Then you just need to type in a search term and it'll search for you. If you're looking to upload a photo of your own, you'll need an account that's 4 days old and has 10 edits, but I'll happily help with that if you need a hand.

Let me know if I need to clarify the above, or if you're adding an image to a page other than your userpage, a draft, or an article. Nosebagbear (talk) 16:58, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm adding a picture to my own page I'm creating my own page Art of Amina Cubahiro (talk) 17:23, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why my edit where as a journalist I added authentic interview links got discarded? --Atanuroy2021 (talk) 06:17, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Atanuroy2021: hi there, good to meet you. First thing to do in cases like this is look at the page history so you can see any reason given by the person reverting. In this case, they said "Addition of unnecessary/inappropriate external links". This is likely correct - you added a link by going [www.etc.com words] rather than actually adding a normal reference. Wikipedia doesn't allow external links in the body of an article, but the plus side is it's easier to do references - just take a look at Help:Introduction to referencing with VisualEditor/1.

One other possible reason for the reversion - other than with short articles, it's quite common for the lede at the top to not be referenced, with the references going in the full text below or in the infobox.

If you do this stuff and still get reverted then I'll show you how to ask the reverter - discussing content disagreements is key, but may not yet be needed.

Let me know if you've got any more questions about the above! Nosebagbear (talk) 11:23, 19 June 2021 (U>

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How can you remove an inaccurate picture in the "background information" box? Also, this image is from a series of images for the band Groove Collective (the only ones other than the one I just uploaded but the images are all from a show that only has two members so not officially Groove Collective. How can that attribution be changed? --DropCount (talk) 21:57, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @DropCount: - welcome to Wikipedia. You can remove that image by clicking edit on the article, and removing "Groove Colective durante el Festival Barroquísimo en el Zócalo de Puebla 10.jpg" from the "image =" line at the top. However, you should clarify why it is inaccurate in the edit summary. If someone reverts your removal, then please don't try and reimplement it. At that stage, you should take it to article's talk page and ping the user to discuss it with them.

If you want to the photo's attribution you'll need to go onto Wikimedia Commons and amend it there, however, your permissions may not suffice to let you do that - you rename pages by "moving" them, and that usually requires accounts to have some edits on that site. For the moment, though non-ideal, best to work on the article here. Nosebagbear (talk) 22:19, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, Nosebagbear. I answered your question at the OnlyFans Talk page if you still have time to review my request. Thanks for your feedback. AG at OnlyFans (talk) 15:59, 19 July 2021 (UTTC)

hello how do i edit my user page --Tidini (talk) 10:29, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Tidini: hi there - welcome to Wikipedia. I see you've managed to make an edit to your user page (click here to go there). The first one is the hard one because it looks so different - from now on you just need to press "edit" and remember to hit "publish changes" when you're done. Nosebagbear (talk) 13:15, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Nosebagbear,

An editor CSD tagged this page with a very confusing reason and from what I could gather, it was supposed to be deleted by you via an AFD but wasn't. I untagged the page and am posting here in case you closed the discussion and neglected to delete the article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:55, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Liz: thanks for letting me know - I have deleted it now. Suspect I must have forgotten to tick the appropriate box when not doing a regular deletion reason Nosebagbear (talk) 10:39, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• An RfC is open to add a delay of one week from nomination to deletion for G13 speedy deletions.

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• Last week all wikis were very slow or not accessible for 30 minutes. This was due to server lag caused by regenerating dynamic lists on the Russian Wikinews after a large bulk import. (T287380)

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• Following an amendment request, the committee has clarified that the Talk page exception to the 500/30 rule in remedy 5 of the Palestine-Israel articles 4 case does not apply to requested move discussions.

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Hello,

On 21:48, 30 May 2021 you have restored a page Draft:Pixellot.

I was working on it, rewrote it, added links, removed promotional text and only relied on real facts I could back up.

On 06:42, 4 August 2021 Materialscientist, deleted the page Draft:Pixellot.

Why? Could you tell me what is "Unambiguous advertising or promotion" about it? We looked at so many other companies with pages on Wikipedia and followed the same line. Is it possible to restored so that we could keep working on it?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sundahan (talk • contribs)

@Sundahan: firstly, please make sure to sign any talk page message with ~~~~

When I restored it, the draft was already somewhat promotional - including non-neutral language, or excluding negative coverage, or distinctly reading as if its purpose is to sell rather than provide a neutral summary. Your amended version did indeed cross into this category multiple times. For example, the system also incorporates graphics and advertising seamlessly into the production. or A rich set of coaching tools - both providing positive, marketing phrasing "seamlessly" and "rich", just to give two instances. As it had already been deleted on problematic grounds, you were obliged to be twice as careful as a lower threshold would be applied. It is unlikely that the draft will be allowed to be recreated at this instance, but you'll need to talk to the most recent deleting admin in any case. Nosebagbear (talk) 12:36, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yay! KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 14:44, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@L235: Thanks - I saw Barkeep and your thread on AN calling for candidates about 4 minutes after I submitted - otherwise I'd have supported it, but at that point it seemed like that'd be covert advertising! It's the most critical policy set-up of the decade, and I can't understand why there's such en-wiki apathy at the moment! Hopefully it's our tradition of liking to wait until the final day to apply :S Nosebagbear (talk) 14:48, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Nosebagbear,

So, what do you suggest? On conditions you can bring it back? Please guide me... NPFictionLibrarian (talk) 15:00, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@NPFictionLibrarian: there aren't any conditions on which it can be returned - it's not legal to permit copyrighted content that we don't have proper permission to use. However. I have duplicated the sources to your userspace, which should hopefully make it significantly easier to re-write, paraphrasing properly. I suggest you read our basic editing guide and our more detailed article writing guide. Nosebagbear (talk) 15:19, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Nosebagbear: But the website has released the copyright? It's no longer there?

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why is the page not yet found on wikipedia. I have already published it. It is about history of a martyr from Nagpur during the independence struggle --CustosMorumIndia (talk) 07:55, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I have done the requisite and sent it over for your approval. thank you in advance. the article written is based on the plaques installed underneath the statue of the Martyr Krushnarao Kakade. the other members of the family have been tagged and added photographs of. I had a word with Avinash Kakade who is a social personality and active on facebook, should i add his link as well to authenticate the data already written on the plaque in the regional language Marathi --CustosMorumIndia (talk) 09:24, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@CustosMorumIndia: - I've moved it to Draft:Amar Shaheed Krushnarao Kakade. If it doesn't automatically load visual editor/offer it to you (it will look extremely different - a bit like MS Office if you've seen it), click the drop-down menu in the top-right of the box. Currently you've added external links (something you can't do in the main body of the text). this page will show you just how much easier it is to add references in visual editor, if they're online. It's one of its best features. Nosebagbear (talk) 09:34, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Wanted to know what i m missing as this page was online for very long time and he was very prominent person

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Just a polite note (following this comment) that the Workshop stage is currently open and is set to close on August 24. Comments from WP:UNINVOLVED parties are always helpful.VR _talk 14:27, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Vice regent: just to confirm I have seen this. I've been medically unable to edit for around a week, so am catching up to an insane backlog (just, you know, ARBCOM, DS, UCOC, Movement Charter application, BOT elections...nothing big!). I've seen RP's amended evidence and it's not as clear. I will take another look before the deadline on whether I still believe it necessitates an evidence review - but a lack of comment can be taken to mean there isn't a clear aspect needing it (I apply a fairly high standard). Nosebagbear (talk) 18:33, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm really sorry to hear that and I pray you're feeling better now.

I thank you in advance for whatever comment you can provide, whether its on RP's evidence, on someone else's evidence, or at the various proposals being made at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Iranian politics/Workshop. I will also kindly request arbitrators to extend the deadline to allow for a more thorough discussion.VR _talk 18:36, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I just want to let you know that you have my support, but I do hope it won't detract you from other volunteer commitments where your work has been invaluable. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:11, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kudpung: thanks for that - genuinely appreciated. I think keeping in on the other bits helps keep me linked to the enjoyable bits of being a Wikipedian editor! I shall have to give up some minesweeper time. Nosebagbear (talk) 10:04, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I want to create an article on Nepali Celebrity. Please help --AshishPoudel02 (talk) 10:59, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@AshishPoudel02: Hi there, welcome to Wikipedia.

I would say there are a few issues with the current form due to our requirement for neutral phrasing. Comments like Garima's mind is equally tender and clean, knowing how to treat everyone well., due to her hard work, talent and good fortune. There's not a second audience are disappointed with her performance. She has given her best., From her childhood, she seems very cute, simple, and ordinary girl coupled with things like emotes and signing off with Created by Biggest Supporter of all time🥰AP make the article read somewhat advertorial to us.

I'm afraid when it comes to articles we're pretty dry when it comes to text choices - neutral and with sourcing. A good way to start is amending the examples I gave (I just gave a few examples, they aren't the only ones). You can also contest the speedy deletion nomination by clicking the blue box to give your reasoning on why it isn't promotional (or isn't when you've made changes) Nosebagbear (talk) 11:08, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Dear @Nosebagbear: Thanks so much for your participation in our discussion post "What is the Best AI model for Content Moderation on Wikipedia?" in Village Pump! Your insights are really appreciated! I wonder if you would have time to engage a bit more with us and other interested editors on this topic? We plan to host an online zoom discussion session soon to invite editors to discuss further with us and with each other -- of course you can turn your camera off if you want :) If you're interested, please get in touch and I will send you (and others) a WhenToMeet link to schedule the session! Thanks so much again for your time! Bobo.03 (talk) 01:59, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Bobo.03: - sure, I'll happily attend. It would be a shame for this work to not get an opportunity to show its potential, but as it stands is likely to cause too much friction for the en-wiki Community to give it a run out. Nosebagbear (talk) 12:42, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Nosebagbear: Thanks so much! This is great! We are still working on to get enough participants and will definitely keep you posted! If you happen to know anyone who are interested, please feel free to spread the words! Thanks again Bobo.03 (talk) 13:13, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @Nosebagbear:, following up this conversation, would you mind filling up this short survey for our workshop: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScCsDfOU1ssHu5MtmqHybS4BGV7Ru6HzSmQBi5SGh8Vuij_OQ/viewform. We are preparing the materials and hopefully can send out the scheduling survey by the end of this week! Please feel free to ping me if you have any questions! Thanks again! Bobo.03 (talk) 16:04, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @Nosebagbear:, I just sent out our workshop invitation to your email. We plan to conduct the workshop from 17:00 to 19:00 (UTC) on 11/6 (Saturday). Does this time work for you? Since our editors are living in different time zones, we are trying our best to accommodate all the needs. The above time should fit with the majority of our editors' schedule. Your time and participation are greatly appreciated! Please let me know. Thanks so much! Bobo.03 (talk) 18:33, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Bobo.03: It should - hopefully you got my last email Nosebagbear (talk) 19:09, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Nosebagbear:, I got it, thanks! Can you please also click on the "accept" botton on the invite, which includes the zoom link for the workshop so we can better track the participation? thanks! Bobo.03 (talk) 20:33, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

• Feedback is requested on the Universal Code of Conduct enforcement draft by the Universal Code of Conduct Phase 2 drafting committee.
• A RfC is open on whether to allow administrators to use extended confirmed protection on high-risk templates.
• A discussion is open to decide when, if ever, should discord logs be eligible for removal when posted onwiki (including whether to oversight them)
• A RfC on the next steps after the trial of pending changes on TFAs has resulted in a 30 day trial of automatic semi protection for TFAs.

Technical news

• The Score extension has been re-enabled on public wikis. It has been updated, but has been placed in safe mode to address unresolved security issues. Further information on the security issues can be found on the mediawiki page.

Arbitration

• A request for comment is in progress to provide an opportunity to amend the structure, rules, and procedures of the Arbitration Committee election and resolve any issues not covered by existing rules. Comments and new proposals are welcome.

Miscellaneous

• The 2021 RfA review is now open for comments.

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How do I make a reference in an article --NBSZ Bloodbank (talk) 05:33, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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hi --Der leder haas (talk) 13:09, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

you want to see my Draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ALTIUS-600 --Der leder haas (talk) 15:32, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Nosebagbear - I have a favour to ask: on Dan Carter (Canadian politician), an IP made a grossly insulting edit late yesterday, which is timestamped 23:14, September 19, 2021‎. Would you please have a look, and delete it? Merci beaucoup, PKT(alk) 14:00, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@PKT: Cheers, have revdelled Nosebagbear (talk) 14:35, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi mentor, I will like to understand the do's and don't here so I won't run into another troubles.Oloriebi 22:21, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Oloriebi234: Given the circumstances you were unblocked in were fairly unlikely, it is now necessary for you to be ultra-careful about what you write. My core suggestions would be as follows:

1) Don't try to start any new articles or drafts from scratch for at least 3 months. It's MUCH harder than adding to a new article

2) Practice making small edits on articles. Good examples include finding a reference, or adding in a sentence or two that was missing but was in a pre-existing source.

3) Don't pick articles that you either have (or have had) any particular link to, or feel an emotional attachment to. For example, there is an article on where I used to live, but don't edit because I would struggle to do so neutrally.

4) Have a read of some "hot-button" articles and some larger company articles (e.g. google), and see the more neutral, even "dull" phrasing used. Nosebagbear (talk) 09:16, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2021).

Guideline and policy news

• Following an RfC, extended confirmed protection may be used preemptively on certain high-risk templates.
• Following a discussion at the Village Pump, there is consensus to treat discord logs the same as IRC logs. This means that discord logs will be oversighted if posted onwiki.

Technical news

• DiscussionTools has superseded Enterprisey's reply-link script. Editors may switch using the "Discussion tools" checkbox under Preferences → Beta features.

Arbitration

• A motion has standardised the 500/30 (extended confirmed) restrictions placed by the Arbitration Committee. The standardised restriction is now listed in the Arbitration Committee's procedures.
• Following the closure of the Iranian politics case, standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for all edits about, and all pages related to, post-1978 Iranian politics, broadly construed.
• The Arbitration Committee encourages uninvolved administrators to use the discretionary sanctions procedure in topic areas where it is authorised to facilitate consensus in RfCs. This includes, but is not limited to, enforcing sectioned comments, word/diff limits and moratoriums on a particular topic from being brought in an RfC for up to a year.

Miscellaneous

• Editors have approved expanding the trial of Growth Features from 2% of new accounts to 25%, and the share of newcomers getting mentorship from 2% to 5%. Experienced editors are invited to add themselves to the mentor list.
• The community consultation phase of the 2021 CheckUser and Oversight appointments process is open for editors to provide comments and ask questions to candidates.

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How to I create a page for a record label? --SkyHighEnt615 (talk) 02:55, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@SkyHighEnt615: hi there, and welcome to Wikipedia.

A couple of questions: I assume you have a link to this label - could you describe what it is, as you will need to comply with our paid editing rules or risk being blocked. This shouldn't have much impact on your request.

I will however also note that writing an article from scratch is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia - we normally suggest having a couple of hundred edits in practice on pre-existing pages to get an understanding. Your Homepage dashboard will have some ideas. However, if you still want to go ahead, I'd suggest the following:

1. Firstly, please get back about my paid-editor query (you don't need to be specifically paid for your edits, just any time of paid link will count).
2. Then, see if you can find 3-4 sources about the label that are: reliable, independent (this also rules out interviews), in-depth (roughly 10+ lines about the label each, excluding quotes) and, critically, secondary (e.g. newspapers, academic reviews etc). If you let me know about them I can tell you whether these may be sufficient to show it is notable. Most businesses don't warrant an article.
3. Read through Help:Introduction, working your way down the right-hand "visual-editor" path. This will cover the basics on how to actually edit and save you a whole bunch of time.
4. It's very detailed, but your first article will cover everything you need to know, including how to get the ball rolling by creating a draft. Nosebagbear (talk) 11:53, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I am new to Wikipedia and want to create a translated page for a company. Could you please show me where to start the work? I saw the "Wikipedia:Translate us" page, but don't know how to create a new page for that company. Thanks! Mia --Miamadison (talk) 22:57, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Miamadison: - hi there, welcome to Wikipedia. Three main bits to my answer:

1. Would it be reasonable that you are (in some sense) working for this company, either as an employee, contractor, or hired to do the translation? This won't prohibit you editing, but comes with a couple of additional rules to avoid being blocked. Please let me know first if this is the case so I can run you through disclosure and the rules.
2. I'm not a translator, but some research indicates that Help:Translation is what you're looking for (click on it to go there). I normally highlight specific sections, but in this case, it's almost all worth reading. One specific aspect is that you can't use the translation tool until you're "extended-confirmed" (have an account with 500 worthwhile edits and is 30 days old), though you can still do a more manual translation, which it also explains
3. I'd like to stress that the article will need to meet English Wikipedia standards. En-wiki has stricter inclusion rules for companies than most articles (see here). It's possible the translation therefore should not be included here. For the process of adding sources have a look at Help:Introduction (you'll want the right-hand visual editor path). Nosebagbear (talk) 08:46, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I use SnatchBot as an educational tool and think it worth an entry. When I went to check if anyone had done one, I found that in 2017 SnatchBot/someone had repeatedly attempted to create one, which led to a permanent block: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snatchbot. Now in 2021, a quick check shows they have hundreds of results on Google Books and Google Scholar that would make for reliable, neutral, references. There are a couple of interesting quotes from their founders on AI. I've drafted how I think it might look in my sandbox. What do you think? Sufficiently noteworthy?

@Seleucus123: hi, one quick note first - when you create a new section, please make sure you do so at the bottom of a talk page - that the Wikipedia standard, and is where everyone looks. It's also better to attach a link to your sandbox (or whichever page you're referring to) unless it's going to be just a couple of lines.

Anyway, I'd certainly say that the "A7" speedy deletion (which basically means it couldn't even claim to be significant) grounds no longer applies, but I'd have to actually be able to read the sources to judge whether it was actually notable. However, why not just submit it to Articles for Creation? A reviewer there, if they think it looks good, will sort out the article-creation block (often referred to as "salting"). The restriction is only on an actual article existing, so a draft is fine.

I would be particularly careful of content phrasing that makes it look promotional. The two big quotes do that - I'd suggest 1 quote max in a piece this long. Lists of use-cases are especially big warnings of "promotional, delete on sight". Give the most common usage, here, education. We don't need to know server location, and especially we don't care what's in the sales book. Sources in general - reduce, it's so much better to have 5 good sources than 15 iffy ones. If any of these sources are online, then links can help a lot. Nosebagbear (talk) 14:09, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Terrific, that's very helpful thanks. I'll try the Articles for Creation. And tidy this up. Sorry about the positioning. Update: the block stopped me from submitting to AfC. It redirected me to an admin page that doesn't seem appropriate for this kind of request but seems to be for rather urgent matters. Since the original user who blocked the page in 2017 no longer seems active I'm not sure how to proceed. Seleucus123 (talk) 14:53, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Edit to: "Blake had a warrant for his arrest from July, based on charges of third-degree sexual assault,[note 1]"

Source: //5 https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-jacob-blake-sex-minor/fact-check-jacob-blake-does-not-have-an-arrest-warrant-for-having-sex-with-a-minor-idUSKBN25N2ZO

Here's the source's content per Routers (below). "According to the record, Blake has an arrest warrant filed against him on July 7, 2020 in Kenosha, Wisconsin for an incident involving domestic abuse that happened on May 3. The offenses listed are criminal trespass to dwelling, third-degree sexual assault and disorderly conduct." (Reuters) --UKChristopherMarlowe (talk) 23:32, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there, can you please write an article about me.

Here is a draft I have created so far:

Anthony Joseph Khallouf (born January 31, 1992) is an Australian right-wing political activist, government provocateur, personal trainer and anti-lockdown protest organiser. ^[1]

In August 2020, Khallouf formed the website and group Australians vs The Agenda. The website vows to fight the ‘socialist, communist, fascist state.’ ^[2]

Personal Life

Khallouf was born in Australia, and his hometown is Sunshine North, a suburb of Melbourne, Australia. He works as a personal trainer, having previously worked as a Security and Services Officer at Crown Melbourne and as a Social Media Manager at New Era Entertainment. ^[3]

COVID-19 protests in Australia

Khallouf is one of the main organisers of the COVID-19 Protests in Australia.^[4]

He was jailed in NSW for up to 8 months on 20 August for breaching public health orders by travelling to Sydney from Queensland. He was released on parole on November 18, 2021. ^[5]

Thank you. --Anthony Khallouf (talk) 10:48, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Anthony Khallouf:, I don't create articles on request, but if you go to article wizard, it will walk you through making a draft, and once you've done that (and moved your content (you need to say which page you're moving it from in the edit summary)) then you can submit it for review. That review will let it become an article, if it passes.

I would note a couple of issues: neither linkedin nor wikipedia itself can be used as a source (though for the latter, you could go find the original source in that article). It is also likely that the 1st source, as a wiki, would not be reliable, or secondary. Nosebagbear (talk) 12:03, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I would like to translate articles from English into Spanish (Latin-American). I would like to know how the process works. I don't seem to find any articles in English, only in Spanish. --Melisarosales (talk) 17:33, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Melisarosales: - hi there, welcome to Wikipedia. If you're translating to another language, then this page is the rough guide. You may be unable to access the content translation tool (it more helps with the porting, rather than the actual translation) until you have 500 edits and a month-old account. Rules about translation vary somewhat depending on the target project - so it may be easier to ask for a confirmation about any local rules on es-wiki.

For an editor with better content skills than I and some Spanish knowledge, you might try asking at Buidhe's talk page, just press the "new section" button at the top to start a conversation. Nosebagbear (talk) 18:32, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I am mainly interested in converting a Saab Sonett iii to EV Is there any one that has done, or is doing that on this web page? --Evolter69 (talk) 03:42, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Evolter69: Could you expand on what you mean - is that "physically doing that" (in which case, good luck, but since we don't have how-to guides, we can't really help) or "writing about it"? Nosebagbear (talk) 11:54, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Why did you impersonate us-? I'm sorry but that makes me at least very uncomfy so please dont say anything else under our name /srs -Gretchen RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) 19:56, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@RemusSandersRegretsEverything: that message wasn't meant to impersonate you -- it uses the magic word {{REVISIONUSER}}, which displays the user who last edited the page (like this: MalnadachBot). Usually this is meant to be substituted along with the message, so it remains as the user who sent it, but Nosebagbear as a joke didn't substitute it. Once someone else edits Tamzin's talkpage, it will switch to displaying their name instead of yours. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:27, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@RemusSandersRegretsEverything and Elli: Now I'm even more confused. I've not edited Tamzin's talk page recently at all, nor Remus/Gretchen's, afaict. Nosebagbear (talk) 22:28, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OH okay? -Gretchen

Also use the sign-off's name not the user please! -Gretchen RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) 04:09, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@RemusSandersRegretsEverything: So, let me clear this up: A while back, I made a copy-edit to Nosebagbear's userpage. As a joke, Nosebagbear then "warned" me for vandalism. He forgot to substitute the message, which meant that instead of {{REVISIONUSER}} "locking" on his name, it kept updating with the name of anyone who edited the page. A bot then came and substituted the template anyways, but that quirk had amused me, so I manually reënabled it. That's why the section header says "and whomever most recently edit this page". (Used to say "whoever", but my mom corrected me.) Anyways, sorry for any confusion here. I'll add a little note to the thread linking to this diff, for anyone similarly confused in the future. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 05:16, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thank you! -Gretch RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) 05:18, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, what exactly do I need to do on here first? --Destany100 (talk) 20:32, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Destany100: hi there, welcome to Wikipedia! So that sort of depends on what interests you - lots of different areas to edit in, lots of different ways to edit. If you let me know what interests you then I can try to point you towards might be a good jumping off point. More generally, probably getting down the basics of editing, and then jump in - no need to prep for ages before getting rolling.

The two most used intros are the intro tutorial (click on blue links to go to them) - you want the "visual editing" path and the Wikipedia adventure. The latter is more interactive, but if you're not a fan of cliches then the first may be more up your street. Then your Homepage should offer some possible areas for you to try out to put the basics into practice. Best of luck and let me know when you've got more questions. Nosebagbear (talk) 03:02, 3 January 2022 C)

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You have no right block person without knowing anything I don't care if you block me 157.49.64.212 (talk) 03:14, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Elaborate? DiegoonusRHF (talk) 15:14, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so I looked into this, and this person was cleary blocked for using multiple accounts to abuse the site. Please look into a block before asking for the user to be unblocked, and dont demand for users to be unblocked. DiegoonusRHF (talk) 15:26, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @DiegoonusRHF I suspect that the IP editor above likely was the user in question (that was why I ignored it). It is pretty unlikely for a non-registered user to pick a random sock block out of every page on Wikipedia and be legitimately so highly sure that I was acting in ignorance.

In unrelated writing - hello there, welcome to both my page and Wikipedia in general. Am I your mentor? (I'll happily talk to you regardless, I'm just interested on how you found me otherwise). Hopefully you aren't having difficulty with your IP still. Most likely reason your IP gets in the way even when you have an account is that you were using a VPN/Proxy at the time. Nosebagbear (talk) 17:44, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, Hello @Nosebagbear. I can't quite remember exactly how I found you, but I believe that I found you from someone else's talk page, (specifically someone who was blocked) who had a message from you. Also, no you aren't my mentor, but its nice to meet you! :) DiegoonusRHF (talk) 18:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

An addition to that first part, I sometimes like to see why people get blocked and their appeals, especially when they are caught red handed. Its interesting to see how they will defend themselves. DiegoonusRHF (talk) 18:11, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, so if this person is @Tajmashaik, then shouldn't they also be blocked on this IP? DiegoonusRHF (talk) 23:38, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@DiegoonusRHF indeed they would, but if it was a flawless process we wouldn't have any long-term socks! We also don't permanently block IPs (except proxies), because they change who uses them frequently, so it would cause significant collateral damage to others if we did. There are greater steps we can take as editors cause problems socking, they just come with either (or both) more work or more collateral damage. Nosebagbear (talk) 07:53, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello dear Nosebagbear. I am Azerbaijan Wikipedia user. I need translate Wibty page but I haven`t permission to share its page. Can you translate it? --Santorica (talk) 10:05, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Santorica: hello, good to meet you. What do you mean by "don't have permission to share"? If it's a Wikipedia article, then it can be translated into any other Wikipedia article so long as you credit where you got it from in your first edit to the page. You can make it in a draft page.

Also, why would I be able to translate it? Machine-translating is prohibited on English-Wikipedia - it needs someone who is bilingual to translate content. Nosebagbear (talk) 10:31, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello i am publishing a page. Can you plz help me? --Seema Singh Nutritionist (talk) 08:26, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to create a page of my Investment banking firm, and also a page of the founders. --Santiago Ricaurte (talk) 19:16, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Santiago Ricaurte:, unfortunately there are a couple of issues here. One is that you need, as a matter of urgency, to meet the disclosure requirements of paid editing on Wikipedia. In short-form, on your userpage you need to state who you work for, and what page(s) you are working on. Even if they aren't paying you specifically to edit, your relationship is of a type that Wikipedia categorises it as paid editing.

I'll also give the same advice about writing articles in general - it's tough, and you save time in the long-run if you read Help:Intro first (I suggest the visual editing path), and then make 100 edits on pages you don't have any link to, just getting an idea of how to edit, find a source, and so on. Your First Article is a longer help page covering all the detail on actually writing an article. It's much harder to create an article from scratch than change one that exists, which is why it's so long.

Finally, is there a reason you're writing in Spanish - all our articles need to be in English, but your account will also work for Spanish Wikipedia if you'd prefer to edit in Spanish Nosebagbear (talk) 00:04, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Time Apprentice includes The Time Wreccas. Can you delete it? Lennart97 (talk) 18:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Lennart97: sorry for missing this one, but it looks like someone else has caught it since Nosebagbear (talk) 22:30, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I was wondering, how do I create an article? There is a fashion brand known as Story MFG that doesn't have an article and I wanted to create one. I see you're an inclusionist so I figure this would be a good question to ask :) --WikiBug003 (talk) 22:25, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I was wondering, how do I create an article? There is a fashion brand known as Story MFG that doesn't have an article and I wanted to create one. I see you're an inclusionist so I figure this would be a good question to ask :) --WikiBug003 (talk) 22:26, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there @WikiBug003:, welcome to Wikipedia. I am indeed an inclusionist, though as I note, not as staunchly as I was in my younger days.

Firstly, I need to ask if you have any paid link (this includes things like being employed by them, whether or not they pay you for the editing). This doesn't stop you editing them, but it does mean you would need to disclose it on your userpage first.

First thing on creating an article is just getting the basics of editing down - I suggest Help:Intro for this (the "visual editor" path), and then go make a few dozen edits on anything not related to Story MFG - learn how to add an inline citation, a wikilink, and similar. Making a new article is much tougher than changing a current one, so best to walk before running.

Next up is learning to actually create the article - we have a detailed document called your first article that breaks it down into chunks. Particularly key is the "notability" aspect which, in short, is "find 3 sources that are: in-depth (10+ lines not counting quotes), secondary, independent (here this may mean ruling out sources that are, say, using affiliate sales links or have a reason to make Story mfg sound successful), reliable (has editorial control, is generally accurate - no blogs etc) . The YFA page spells all this stuff out with examples, which is why it's so long, but is much easier to read! Nosebagbear (talk) 11:27, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is it possible to add a profile picture? He gives his permission to add one from his Instagram account. In addition to this, is it possible to add the profile picture for the wiki page of Joey, The Anime Man? --Miktale (talk) 14:33, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Miktale:, it is possible to add a profile picture, however there are some copyright hoops to jump through that make it harder (and, alas, often less appealing) than just someone saying "oh yes, just grab it off my social media". This is mainly because people can't just give permission to use the photo on wikipedia - it has to be broadly licensed. This link will take them to a release generator that soothes the process as much as possible. One thing to note if you're communicating with them is to remind them that you don't own the copyright of photos taken of you unless a) it's a selfie b) the photographer formally transferred copyright. I think you'd agree b sounds like a lot of effort, and a selfie is easier to do. Nosebagbear (talk) 15:13, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I saw on VPP that you proposed to actually bite the bullet and do this. I'm posting this to say I support this and think you are more likely to come up with a proposal I can agree with than just about anyone else. I've been thinking about the idea and can share some thoughts:

1. Doing the job right is hard, but a half-assed patch might well help what is going on at AfD/DRV if it comes as part of a package deal of coming up with a better NSPORT guideline. The actual sticking point is a lack of agreement on how to deal with keep opinions that say there is likely to be sources but don't give delete-favouring any reason to think so. A stop-gap criterion that decides these cases doesn't need to be hugely principled if there is reason to suppose a more principled criterion is in the pipeline.
2. I don't think the animosity towards SNGs is entirely explained by the amount of guidance out there, although that's certainly a factor. Instead I think it's the lack of harmony between SNGs and the amount of year-on-year churn. Understanding one SNG doesn't help much in understanding another, and there's an expectation that an understanding of how an SNG today will be applied at AfD/DRV will be outdated in a year or two.
3. A more ambitious reform of SNGs might actually stand a higher chance of success because of this. If we can come up with an NSPORT that is informed by an analysis of the special features of sports journalism and how that bears on issues of verifiability and the maintenance of an article over its lifetime that Wikipedians could see could be adapted to other SNGs, that could bring editors who have been opposed to SNGs around to support.

I'm curious to hear just how ambitious your thinking is :) — Charles Stewart (talk) 14:35, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Chalst: Hi Charles, just confirming I've seen this. Due to a job interview landing requiring some prep work it'll be longer than I'd like before I can give it the level of review it deserves (and needs). My initial thinking had been to try and reduce the flash points, rather than a fullscale mass re-write. You are of course right that understanding one SNG does not necessarily help understand others, but I would note that my experience is not an animosity towards SNGs in general (it exists, but rarely). NARTIST, NAUTHOR are generally fine. NPROF is disliked from its complexity (I share this opinion) in assessing and its exemption to needing secondary sources (I don't share this, but I understand it). NSPORTS is by far and away the most disliked, because its presumptive guidelines for so many sports is so far below GNG (that is, there are lots of use cases where the SNG is met but GNG is not, making the presumption less valuable). My initial thinking is that your proposal may be harder than you think, because it would necessitate placing special categorisation on certain buckets of reliable sources. We do that for medical articles, but not for any notability categorisation except for NPROF...which as I noted, leads to unhappiness. Nosebagbear (talk) 14:47, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Reducing the flash points is a fine goal, and I imagine all but the most hardline NSPORT defenders are willing to compromise because the current lottery at AfD is depressing for the content creators. There may be no need for the more ambitious effort that you most politely express scepticism about. With respect to SNGs, I'll note there's been some friction in the application of NORG to political parties in recent AfDs. — Charles Stewart (talk) 15:27, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Please i would like to registrate my father on Wikipedia as an awarded artist of Turkmenistan. He is national artist of the theatre of Turkmenistan. Please how can I do that? --Amangeldi Sapardurdyyev (talk) 16:40, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Respecter Sir,

I created this account to change the profile picture of Selena Gomez because that is a "screenshot" taken from the copyrighted VOUGE interview video. It isn't a standalone photograph.

If it is possible for you (as you have much experience than me) then can you please change Gomez's picture since its not a standalone photograph, she is not a natural blonde. It is confusing.

Thank you very much for your help. --Ethical2022Editor (talk) 13:35, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @Ethical2022Editor:, welcome to Wikipedia. A look at the photo page indicates that there is a valid reason to think there is a legitimate copyright license, although it is pretty complex - indeed, I wouldn't have been able to make that decision myself, but the wikicommons (the photo library that is a sister project of wikipedia) patrollers are the experts at it.

That takes us onto the "is a blonde photo of Selena unhelpful as the lead photo". Here there is a potentially legitimate case - the argument that jumps out to me against it is that there aren't many photos of that recency - but it's one for discussion first. Don't worry if you're feeling unsure how to do the actual adding bit, someone can do that if you get agreement to change it.

Go to Talk:Selena Gomez - this is the discussion page for the article about her. Click "New Section", and make your point there (remember to hit "publish changes" to post). You could include a link to a possible alternate one [6] would be a possible example. There are 1700 people who've watchlisted that page, so at least a few of them should participate in a discussion. Nosebagbear (talk) 14:24, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A discussion you may be interested in has been opened regarding whether athletes meeting a sport-specific guideline must demonstrate GNG at AfD. You are also indirectly mentioned in this comment. JoelleJay (talk) 22:25, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello! I was thinking about this and the conclusion I came to was to attempt to find a mild break in the music to type, use your elbows, or to try to wait until you've finished with the song. (: -Isabela Skeleton RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) (pronouns) 23:58, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@RemusSandersRegretsEverything: - I think you might be right! Perhaps mentally draft out what I'm going to include, either to rapidly sneak in during a pause, or using only words with letters in convenient elbow reach Nosebagbear (talk) 09:14, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yay!! I'm glad I could help! (: -Isabela Skeleton RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) (pronouns) 17:52, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

.........What? Why would you need to plan for this? Are you a conductor? wizzito | say hello! 00:20, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Wizzito: not in a way that any orchestra would want! But I listen to music as I edit, which is usually productive, but sufficiently good music necessitates the addition of my conducting (in perhaps the same way as some music would require the addition of an air guitar) which makes it significantly harder to edit! Nosebagbear (talk) 09:07, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In a process that began last year with WP:DS2021, the Arbitration Committee is evaluating Discretionary Sanctions (DS) in order to improve it. A larger package of reforms is slated for sometime this year. From the work done so far, it became clear a number of areas may no longer need DS or that some DS areas may be overly broad.

The topics proposed for revocation are:

• Senkaku islands
• Waldorf education
• Ancient Egyptian race controversy
• Scientology
• Landmark worldwide

The topics proposed for a rewording of what is covered under DS are:

• India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan
• Armenia/Azerbaijan

Additionally any Article probation topics not already revoked are proposed for revocation.

Community feedback is invited and welcome at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions. --Barkeep49 (talk) 16:59, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In a process that began last year with WP:DS2021, the Arbitration Committee is evaluating Discretionary Sanctions (DS) in order to improve it. A larger package of reforms is slated for sometime this year. From the work done so far, it became clear a number of areas may no longer need DS or that some DS areas may be overly broad.

The topics proposed for revocation are:

• Senkaku islands
• Waldorf education
• Ancient Egyptian race controversy
• Scientology
• Landmark worldwide

The topics proposed for a rewording of what is covered under DS are:

• India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan
• Armenia/Azerbaijan

Additionally any Article probation topics not already revoked are proposed for revocation.

Community feedback is invited and welcome at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions. --Barkeep49 (talk) 04:36, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia page "spin spacetime EPR Gedanken-Experiment" was deleted on the ground that there was no reference supporting it. But now a peer reviewed paper has been published. See ^[6]. I would therefore kindly ask you to allow publication on this page in wikipedia.

thank you :O)

Hi, can i create artist pages? --Hytrons (talk) 21:40, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Hytrons:, the first step is to get the basics of editing down - an hour here always ends up saving more in the long-term. Have a read through the quick guide Help:Intro (you want the "visual editor" pathway). Then make some edits, including finding and adding a few sources, as that's the most key thing for making a new article.

Next up for making a draft article is "Your First Article" - this is pretty detailed but you don't need to read all of it. It covers how to make a draft, what to put in it, and how to submit it for review. I'd also suggest taking a look at some smaller artist articles - so you know what's needed. Nosebagbear (talk) 21:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How long do artist reviews usually take and who is elegible? --Hytrons (talk) 21:46, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Hytrons:, so AfC reviews vary in length of time - when you submit them it will pop-up with a yellow bubble. Clear failures and very clear passes usually take less than a week. If not, they usually take perhaps 6 weeks or so.

For the formal criteria look here, but in practical terms, you want at least three reviews of the musician that are: in-depth (10+ lines), reliable (this is a good list of reliable music sources), independent (no reason for bias, which includes no interviews) and secondary. Nosebagbear (talk) 22:52, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2022).

Guideline and policy news

• The Universal Code of Conduct enforcement guidelines have been published for consideration. Voting to ratify this guideline is planned to take place 7 March to 21 March. Comments can be made on the talk page.

Technical news

• The user group oversight will be renamed suppress in around 3 weeks. This will not affect the name shown to users and is simply a change in the technical name of the user group. The change is being made for technical reasons. You can comment in Phabricator if you have objections.
• The Reply Tool feature, which is a part of Discussion Tools, will be opt-out for everyone logged in or logged out starting 7 February 2022. Editors wishing to comment on this can do so in the relevant Village Pump discussion.

Arbitration

• Community input is requested on several motions aimed at addressing discretionary sanctions that are no longer needed or overly broad.
• The Arbitration Committee has published a generalised comment regarding successful appeals of sanctions that it can review (such as checkuser blocks).
• A motion related to the Antisemitism in Poland case was passed following a declined case request.

Miscellaneous

• Voting in the 2022 Steward elections will begin on 07 February 2022, 14:00 (UTC) and end on 26 February 2022, 13:59 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
• Voting in the 2022 Community Wishlist Survey is open until 11 February 2022.

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Hello, dear Nosebagbear/Archive 7 could you check Draft:Sevinj Stories --Santorica (talk) 07:02, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @Santorica:, hello! I only work from the oldest first for the AfC review queue, but you've successfully submitted, so it will be looked at in time. The draft generally looks good - I don't know Russian and Azeri sources well enough to judge their reliability, but if they're suitable then the draft should be fine. One aspect that is of concern is that the image is claimed to be "own work" - surely you didn't create it? Or if you did, that should probably be noted on the talk page as a potential conflict of interest. --Nosebagbear (talk) 09:52, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you dear Nosebagbear/Archive 7, You can trust sources. I am patroller and rolbacker on Azerbaijan Wikipedia you can see here. Also, yes it is my own work. Santorica (talk) 10:34, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

cyydfyuu --Xafwr (talk) 21:25, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any tips for me? --Lightningm (talk) 08:19, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there @Lightningm:! Welcome to Wikipedia. Good question, hmm, in terms of "general tips" on joining, I'd have to say:

1. Find area(s) that interest you - both in terms of content and activity (e.g. I find and add reviews for bands in some genres of music to make sure the articles won't be deleted). Your dashboard may be able to help
2. Dip a leg in, not your head - that is, don't write an article as your first thing. I did, it failed and I had a sulk for years - but when I made some smaller edits first I stuck around
3. Remember you can ask for help. I'm you mentor, but if I'm not online the Teahouse will provide 24hr support. Or Help:Intro will give a good basic overview (pick the visual editor path) Nosebagbear (talk) 09:26, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest.

• AFCH will now show live previews of the comment to be left on a decline.
• The template {{db-afc-move}} has been created - this template is similar to {{db-move}} when there is a redirect in the way of an acceptance, but specifically tells the patrolling admin to let you (the draft reviewer) take care of the actual move.

Short and sweet, but there's always more to discuss at WT:AFC. Stop on by, maybe review a draft on the way? Whether you're one of our top reviewers, or haven't reviewed in a while, I want to thank you for helping out in the past and in the future. Cheers, Primefac, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Nosebagbear. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Terence Coyle".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:09, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You may want to make a comment section for yourself, and move your comments there. On the PD page everyone is supposed to write only in their own section, except the arbs. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:17, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Edit conflict with the above, but I did want to present you with the red tape image.) Nosebagbear, you're supposed to create your own section on Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Skepticism and coordinated editing/Proposed decision and post only in that. You may want to move your posts accordingly. Bishonen | tålk 13:25, 24 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]

• @ScottishFinnishRadish and Bishonen: with thanks to both, I've moved. Not quite sure why separate bits are needed when it looks like all the editors are playing together well, but anyway, now done, I think...and thank you for the picture, Bish :p Nosebagbear (talk) 13:35, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I think it's to make sure people continue to play well together, and to discourage long, threaded discussions. The problem with allowing the threaded discussions is once they're out of hand there's no putting them back in the box, so to speak. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:37, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I want to write the biography of an author. How can I start? --Nazmanahar (talk) 08:23, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Nazmanahar: hi there, welcome to Wikipedia. Writing a biographical article is pretty tough - there's rules you have to meet that a regular article doesn't.

Firstly I'd suggest reading through Help:Intro (probably the visual editor pathway) and then making a few dozen edits on current articles to get the basics down. Make sure you add some sources - it's the most key bit of a new article, including the "inline" sources that tie a reference to a specific statement in the article.

Then go to Your First Article, a pretty detailed read that will run you through the entire process. You probably don't need to read all of it, but when you get stuck it has the answers

For an author, you want to find formal secondary reviews of their work - at least three. If you three good ones (that is, detailed/reliable, they don't have to be positive) that is almost certainly enough to show they're notable. Nosebagbear (talk) 12:29, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2022).

Guideline and policy news

• A RfC is open to change the wording of revision deletion criterion 1 to remove the sentence relating to non-infringing contributions.
• A RfC is open to discuss prohibiting draftification of articles over 90 days old.

Technical news

• The deployment of the reply tool as an opt-out feature, as announced in last month's newsletter, has been delayed to 7 March. Feedback and comments are being welcomed at Wikipedia talk:Talk pages project. (T296645)
• Special:Nuke will now allow the selection of standard deletion reasons to be used when mass-deleting pages. This was a Community Wishlist Survey request from 2022. (T25020)
• The ability to undelete the talk page when undeleting a page using Special:Undelete or the API will be added soon. This change was requested in the 2021 Community Wishlist Survey. (T295389)

Arbitration

• Several unused discretionary sanctions and article probation remedies have been rescinded. This follows the community feedback from the 2021 Discretionary Sanctions review.

Miscellaneous

• The 2022 appointees for the Ombuds commission are Érico, Faendalimas, Galahad, Infinite0694, Mykola7, Olugold, Udehb and Zabe as regular members and Ameisenigel and JJMC89 as advisory members.
• Following the 2022 Steward Elections, the following editors have been appointed as stewards: AntiCompositeNumber, BRPever, Hasley, TheresNoTime, and Vermont.
• The 2022 Community Wishlist Survey results have been published alongside the ranking of prioritized proposals.

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If you're reluctant to answer on Meta, perhaps you could answer my question here? I'm genuinely confused, not making a rhetorical point; and the answer may decide how I vote on the ratification. Even if there's a history of unpleasant discussion on the topic, I think editors raising a very serious concern in good faith deserve an answer. Best, Vanamonde (Talk) 15:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Vanamonde93:, I'm more than happy to engage, including on meta - your question was completely valid, to the tune that I think I've actually responded to you on another forum, though not with a ping.

It's the complete unhelpfulness and incivility of Sanger, who hinders beneficial discussion

Nosebagbear (talk) 15:07, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Vanamonde93 Yes, I commented at WP:AN, to your similar question there. Speaking as someone who opposes the EGs, and is only a mild net supporter of the main text, I still believe it's not intended, but the fact that the BOT made it impossible to properly amend these texts, and then has tried to bypass phase#1 ratification in a blatant BOT power grab, makes me reticent to grant them a belief that good faith will conquor all Nosebagbear (talk) 15:15, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I did not see your reply on AN, thanks for that. I appreciate that any such task will involve confronting belligerence from some community members, and I can't hold that against you. I'll respond to the substance at AN. Best, Vanamonde (Talk) 15:19, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello...Good evening sir...please how do I make my name to appear on the search --Anthony Idigo (talk) 16:42, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Anthony Idigo: If you just want to be found as a user, then the steps are:

i) Go to your userpage (click on your name at the top of the page), and it'll take you to a blank page. Add a few lines about yourself as an editor (e.g. fields that might interest you)

ii) Then you can be found by searching User:Anthony Idigo in the search box

Or do you mean be searched as an article? Nosebagbear (talk) 18:15, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I thought I should try and edit the page about Dylan Moran, but I’m not sure the best way to word it. We went to see him last night in Norwich, and it’s no longer factually correct to have on Wiki that he is teetotal, he came on stage with a bottle of wine and was quite drunk from the start. He was still very good and we enjoyed the show. He also talked about being divorced now, so the info about being married to his wife Elaine might need updating. Thanks --Simonnr2 (talk) 06:59, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Simonnr2: welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your interest in updating what could likely be an out of date article.

On Wikipedia we do have a policy called No Original Research - the short form of which is you can't directly just go and update the article because if someone visits the page in a month, they won't be able to check your source.

However, obviously it's a pretty good hint that the current source is out of date!

So the thing to do is to try and find a newer source (probably some time in the last eight months) - most often news articles.

Once you find anything suitable, then you can jump in on it. If you want a basic tutorial I suggest Help:Introduction - you'd want the "Visual Editor" path, and only the first couple of boxes, since you won't need any images or tables.

Best of luck, and let me know if you've got any questions, or for a quicker response, you can ask at Our Teahouse. Nosebagbear (talk) 09:19, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

March songs

Thank you for support in the RfC for DYK - music with a chance to listen, - the piece by Anna Korsun begins after about one hour, and the voices afterwards call "Freiheit!" instead of "Freude". Music every day, pictured in songs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Prayer is on the Main page, finally + new flowers --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:25, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

17:12, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, that happens a lot, sorry about that. I've gotten so used to the new discussion tools that auto-sign for you that I've gotten out of the habit. It really is mind-boggling that it's still something you need to do manually. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:56, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I mean teasing you about is grossly hypocritical of me, and no doubt has guaranteed my impending comeuppence in the near future. I've also started double signing, since I often use ~~~ for certain usecases, and it doesn't cancel the main signature for that Nosebagbear (talk) 17:31, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi! I'm wondering if it's possible to suggest an edit rather than making an edit myself? I don't really understand the UI. --CullyCoconut (talk) 01:41, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @CullyCoconut:, welcome to Wikipedia.

1) In terms of not understanding the UI, have you tried the Visual Editor - it's a what you see is what you get process, rather than the regular "source editor". It'll look a little like Word.

You can get to it by clicking edit on whatever you want to edit, then clicking the pencil icon in the corner.

I also suggest reading the "Getting started, editing, and referencing" boxes from the visual editor pathway on this tutorial - it's the quickest one that is decent imo.

2) But to answer your actual question, yes, you can. You can informally request one just by posting on a talk page of an article by making an edit and asking, but if it's not very active it might be missed.

You can also summon someone to review the edit by using this page. It's designed for editors we don't allow to edit articles, so I suggest using the "I have a conflict of interest" option. It'll ask you a few things.

Unless it's a typo or similar, please make sure you've got a good source. Cheers :) Nosebagbear (talk) 10:57, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• An RfC is open proposing a change to the minimum activity requirements for administrators.

Technical news

• Access to Special:RevisionDelete has been expanded to include users who have the deletelogentry and deletedhistory rights. This means that those in the Researcher user group and Checkusers who are not administrators can now access Special:RevisionDelete. The users able to view the special page after this change are the 3 users in the Researcher group, as there are currently no checkusers who are not already administrators. (T301928)
• When viewing deleted revisions or diffs on Special:Undelete a back link to the undelete page for the associated page is now present. (T284114)

Arbitration

• Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures § Opening of proceedings has been updated to reflect current practice following a motion.
• A arbitration case regarding Skepticism and coordinated editing has been closed.
• A arbitration case regarding WikiProject Tropical Cyclones has been opened.

Miscellaneous

• Voting for the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement guidelines has closed, and the results were that 56.98% of voters supported the guidelines. The results of this vote mean the Wikimedia Foundation Board will now review the guidelines.

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Hello! I just have a quick question. Whenever I try to edit articles, I only get the option to edit source. I have logged on in a different browser and I different computer, but I still can't use the visual editor. However, when I log out, I am able to use the visual editor without issue. Is there a user preferences page I can access? --Rednamalas (talk) 22:37, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What is the reason for my article problem? --Mohamad amir speed (talk) 22:21, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Following an RfC, a change has been made to the administrators inactivity policy. Under the new policy, if an administrator has not made at least 100 edits over a period of 5 years they may be desysopped for inactivity.
• Following a discussion on the bureaucrat's noticeboard, a change has been made to the bureaucrats inactivity policy.

Technical news

• The ability to undelete the associated talk page when undeleting a page has been added. This was the 11th wish of the 2021 Community Wishlist Survey.
• A public status system for WMF wikis has been created. It is located at https://www.wikimediastatus.net/ and is hosted separately to WMF wikis so in the case of an outage it will remain viewable.

Arbitration

• Remedy 2 of the St Christopher case has been rescinded following a motion. The remedy previously authorised administrators to place a ban on single-purpose accounts who were disruptively editing on the article St Christopher Iba Mar Diop College of Medicine or related pages from those pages.

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