User talk:Nev1/Archives/May–June 2014

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I want to warned you for the wrong summaries as sockpupeties, pro-X or anti-X talking, which you make on my Talk Page and Talk page:Middle Ages. These are trumped up charges to me. I don't know who is Sumatro or any other editors, include you. I'm new in Wikipedia and my contributions are only few maps and comments. Look at carefully my work in the article. None of my edits and comments are pro-Bulgarian. How long is forbidden to comment in Talk page? Read carefully my arguments there, before to make wrong summaries as you make now. It is unpleasantly, offensive and unwelcome as a whole. Please, comment the content and read Wikipedia:No personal attacks before to attack anyone or to use Stalinist methods. --Mandramunjak (talk) 22:19, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Mandramunjak if you feel I have made a mistake, the best course of action would be to explain why you think I'm wrong on the investigation page. There has been some unusual activity related to the Middle Ages article, and a Check User might help sort things out. It may be that you are simply someone interested in the subject who saw a discussion which you felt you could contribute to. However, the high number of accounts that have done nothing on Wikipedia beyond edit or discuss that one article is high. It is unusual behaviour but starting the investigation is not a personal attack against yourself or anyone else. In fact, it is remarkably restrained of the editors involved in the discussion not to have started one sooner. Evidence of a robust willingness to assume good faith and focus on the article rather than the parties involved. Anyway, it may be that the Check User decides nothing nefarious is going on in which case we can all move on. As for your advice about personal attachs, I think it might carry more weight if it wasn't uttered in the same breath as an accusation of Stalinism, but your mileage may vary. Nev1 (talk) 23:47, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, if I'm wrong, but I think that you supported one of the two parties in the discussion and you just want to destroy the competition. Stalinist methods in my native Slovak language means the way "Person - problem. No person - No problem". In this case "Editors - problem. No editors - No problem". Your claims seems too paranoid, by me. Just in this moment - forget about all discussions and tell me how many empires exist in medieval Europe? The answer is 3 - Byzantine Empire, Holy Roman Empire and Bulgarian Empire. The Empire of Germans is mentoined in the article (even is very, very, very mentoined, especially the Frankish Empire), Byzantine - also is written in details, but Bulgarian Empire - The Second Empire in Europe (look at Tervel, who is recognized as Caesar in 705), where was created the Cyrillic script, one of the most powerful country in Middle Ages is presented with 2 - 3 sentences. I think that every historian and every person, who is looking even one historical book will not agree with the way how Bulgarian Empire is represented in this article. Their reactions are understandable, but your reaction is too strange. I see that the most of your enemies, suspected by you, are from different countries - Portugal, Bulgaria, etc., while their opponents comes from England and USA. The English - American editors knows too small about the history of Eastern Europe, because of the years of Cold war. One example from my country (or my former country :) ) - the most Western-Europeans knows allmost nothing about Prague and her role in Holy Roman Empire, because Czchoslovakia were a part of Eastern bloc before 1989. Bulgaria is the same case. Many sources in Talk page:Middle Ages explain this and is not bad to see and read these sources and what they say. Even if this is not so important, the opponents are presenting sources from many countries - Germany, Bulgaria, Slovakia. Can you explain me why the editors of your band use only English and American sources in the article, but they ignored all foreign sources? It is madness! It seems nationalistic, by me.--Mandramunjak (talk) 08:32, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

I notice you created a lot of the listed buildings articles in London. Why are there no lists of Grade II (not Grade II*) buildings? Simply south ...... time, department skies for just 8 years 20:56, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

They were created as part of Wiki Loves Monuments last year. Every county in England and Wales now has a list of Grade I and II* listed buildings. When it comes to Grade II listed buildings, there are about 17 times as many of them (344,000) than II* (20,600). For the lists to work with the competition, they needed to be set up with templates. The very long lists reached the mediawiki template limit and stopped rendering properly, so Grade II lists were never produced. 10:47, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I wanted to do a list of Grade II listed buildings in my town, will I have to do it manually or is there a tool that can be used? There are 115 of them. –anemoneprojectors– 13:36, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

It might be feasible. KTC: do we have 1) the information on Grade II listed buildings and 2) the ability to turn it into a table? Nev1 (talk) 13:55, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

1) In shapefiles, yes. 2) Working on it with Thryduulf. Will let you know if we have the result. -- KTC (talk) 08:01, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

The shapefiles KTC has given me to work on do not contain any location information other than a grid reference. I can, with some effort, add district, parish (note imperfect data), unitary authority, non-unitary county and/or London borough locations to the information (have shapefiles for Hertfordshire and Greater London with parish and borough information respectively on so far, haven't yet exported them to csv). I haven't found any dataset that covers a smaller area than unitary district, parish or London Borough. To produce this for the whole country to the lowest area will take several hours, so don't expect them all in one block and I haven't got time to do any more before this evening now. Thryduulf (talk) 09:59, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

This is very confusing to me and I don't really understand any of it but thanks all for your effors. The place I want to work on is Stevenage in Hertfordshire, if that helps. –anemoneprojectors– 10:38, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

@AnemoneProjectors:, I got 114 rather than 115 entries. The data you want in spreadsheet form can be found here. -- KTC (talk) 23:22, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

@KTC: That's really helpful, thank you. Oh but now what? Is it all manual from now on? I don't mind if it is but if it doesn't have to be... –anemoneprojectors– 09:25, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

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here. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:06, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. I've deleted the edit summary from the page history and have warned Magnus Agripa. If he does it again I will block the account. Nev1 (talk) 19:13, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

World Heritage and good sports
Thank you for expanding our knowledge of cultural treasures from Altrincham to Warwick Castle and cricket, and for your fight against "stretching the thruth"! Reminder: you "mustn't forget to finish Warkworth Castle", - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:01, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Two years ago, you were the 138th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:16, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

ps: the castle looks great now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:17, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda! Nev1 (talk) 18:38, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I notice you just added all the images from the ErfgoedBot output to their respective lists before I could get around to them. First, thanks a lot for doing that, and second, I'd like to draw your attention to something that could make that go a lot faster haha. Over the past month or so I have been working on a script to add images and commonscat links to these lists semi-automatically. If you install the script, it will add a button at the top of lists of listed buildings (as well as any other registers from around the world) that, when clicked, searches Commons for files and categories that match the ID of the sites in the list. It then allows you to choose from the matches and automatically add them to the page. It can even find files/cats that have not been picked up by the bot yet. It's still a work in progress, and I'm constantly tinkering with it, but feel free to use it to speed things up! If you need any help installing/using it, let me know!--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 09:49, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Dudemanfellabra, that should be really handy. I've added it to me .js pages so I'll take it for a test drive next time I'm on one of the lists. Nev1 (talk) 18:44, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

And it worked like a charm. Nev1 (talk) 18:48, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Glad to see it's working for you. I see the bot has produced more output. Off to add some more images! :)--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 23:13, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Dudemanfellabra: there's been some interest in your script from one of the people who organised the international Wiki Loves Monuments in previous years. The reason Erfgoedbot produces the pages of unused images is so that a manual check to make sure buildings weren't incorrectly identified, whereas a fully automated process for adding images might introduce errors. Your script has neatly bridged that gap. Could it be exported to other language Wikipedias do you reckon? If other people are able to adapt it for their own wikis, it might be a good script to share widely; WLM has an international mailing list where it could be mentioned. Nev1 (talk) 11:59, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

It should be relatively easy to use on other wikis. All that would have to be done is to change the row template names the script looks for to the ones relative to that language's wiki and change the text the user sees to be in the correct language. Do you know if it is possible to run a script from one language's wiki on another, e.g. running this English wiki script on the Dutch one or some other language? If so, I can work on making the changes here (I'd need some help with the translations) and when their language is supported, it should work. I'll ask around about inter-language scripts and get back to you. If it isn't possible, I can just copy the script to all the desired language wikis and allow people to install it there. I would prefer to keep the code all in one place though, if possible.--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 10:00, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't know if it is possible to run a script say on fr.wp based on en.wp. What can be done though is sending a message to the mailing list so that people know the code exists; there may even be people who know whether a script can be run across wikis. Are you subscribed to wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org? Nev1 (talk) 15:28, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

I am not subscribed to any lists and don't really want to be if it's no difference to you.. I get too many emails as it is :P. Feel free to post whatever you want about me, though. Just tell anyone that wants to contact me to do so here. I found out that it is possible to run scripts across language wikis, so I will work on expanding my script to be compatible with all languages. I have quite a few things I'm working on at the moment, though, so this will be on the back burner for the immediate future. When I do get the time, it should be a pretty quick expansion, though. Is there any specific deadline you're looking to make?--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 07:40, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I quite understand. The competition starts on 1 September so there's nothing particularly urgent (and it's pretty damn handy as it is). Nev1 (talk) 14:39, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll make sure to have it ready by September 1, probably sooner.--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 13:28, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Just wanted to give you an update and let you know I've set up the framework for the script to be used on other language wikipedias and I'm in the process of adding support for all the registers ErfgoedBot supports. It's a slow process, and I need a lot of help translating the GUI, so if anyone you know can help with that, please send them my way. I've updated the script's documentation to include a bit about other language Wikipedias and translation for anyone interested. Thanks for the patience!--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 14:07, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm now done adding support/documentation for all the registers supported by ErfgoedBot, well before the September 1 deadline mentioned above so any kinks can be worked out if necessary. You can see everything that is supported here, along with general information about the script itself. The script should work on anything connected to WLM via that bot. If you want to announce this like you were talking about to that mailing list, feel free to do so now. Anyone that has trouble can contact me on my talk page here (enwiki). Also, if anyone is willing to translate the GUI and/or the documentation into their native language, let me know. Thanks for the patience!--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 14:07, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Nev1 – earlier today you unblocked IP 193.62.43.1 (talk · contribs) "at the request of a trainer".[1] Unfortunately I've had to block it again due to an outburst of vandalism. If this is something you can sort out, you can assume my agreement to any change or lifting of the block. Best,  —SMALLJIM  12:24, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

You did the right thing there. It was going to be a temporary lift of the block (until the end of today at the latest) so I have no objections to the block being reinstated. It's a shame the vandalism kicked in so quickly. It's probably used by just too many people. Nev1 (talk) 12:31, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

The usual story :-( I suppose the trainer could create his/her own account instead.  —SMALLJIM  13:15, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

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