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The first promo came out all ready we should add that.--80.233.129.210 (talk) 06:14, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

yea now they have 3 out--gdaly7 (talk) 09:37, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

can someone create a link to the episode page it was on here before but it got removed --gdaly7 (talk) 21:07, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is the premiere date February 8 or February 27, 2009? According to IMDb, it is the 27th. ραncακemisτακe (talk) 16:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The premiere date is February 8th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.49.94.247 (talk) 13:27, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was February 8th = D (User:Disneygalxx123+abc) —Preceding undated comment added 23:43, 22 August 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Why did you delete the opening theme? This is the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vQiEBue7B4 and more likely if the song is featured as a promo, it's going to be the opening theme. Examples would be "Best of Both Worlds" from Hannah Montana and "That's So Raven" from That's So Raven. I highly doubt that "So Far So Great" would be any different. --Geekboy6 (talk) 18:00, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Because copyright violations posted on YouTube aren't reliable sources.—Kww(talk) 18:08, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And also you're assuming that songs featured as a promo will be the opening. --Staka (T) 19:11, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

When did we start treating things like http://justjaredjr.buzznet.com/2009/01/28/sonny-with-a-chance-theme-song/ as a reliable source?—Kww(talk) 17:45, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know enough about that source to judge if it is reliable or not. I reverted myself as I meant to leave that judgment to others. I would prefer to see the first episode end credits and don't think we need to rush when a primary source is going to be available soon. --NrDg 17:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I looked into it a bit more as to how reliable this site is. At http://justjaredjr.buzznet.com/terms-of-service/ is the statement "Buzznet neither represents nor endorses the accuracy or reliability of any advice, opinion, statement or other information displayed, uploaded, or distributed through the Sites or the Service by any user, information provider or any other person or entity." They, themselves, have declared that they are not a reliable source of information. --NrDg 18:07, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just saw the promo on TV just now. Surely this has got to count for something. Again, like I said I don't think it's going to be any different from "Best of Both Worlds" and "That's So Raven". Both songs were used as show promos before the pilot episodes started. --Geekboy6 (talk) 23:57, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Geekboy6, Staka; calm down, we do not need to stress about that, SURELY it is the opening sequence and they do know this, but they are those who wait until the last second to put or those who wait Rolling Stone, Time Magazine report "EXCLUSIVE NEWS: the opening theme of Sonny With a Chance is So Far So Great". Renanx3 (talk) 15:17, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's better to say nothing than to be wrong. There's no reason not to wait until an official source comes along, or until the show itself comes along.—Kww(talk) 15:38, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, if you really think that we are wrong, I will do what you want (to vary); wait until the show premiere, and finally we will see who is wrong. Renanx3 (talk) 16:08, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying that you haven't got a reliable source that specifically states that this song is the theme song. That's the test for whether or not something can be included. You are probably right, but "probably right" means "but might be wrong".—Kww(talk) 16:16, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If [sic] this song is the opening theme, Just Jared would become a reliable source, right? Renanx3 (talk) 00:51, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No they wouldn't. Reliable sources are those with a reputation for fact checking. That doesn't change when the get some stuff right, we can't trust them to have not just passed on unverified rumors and gossip. --NrDg 03:21, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

End credits say only: "Theme Song Written and Produced by Jeannie Lurie Aris Archontis and Chen Neeman" "Theme Song Performed by Demi Lovato". There is no specific name given to the theme song so presumed name is "Theme Song to Sonny With a Chance". If another name exists for the the theme song it needs to be referenced. --NrDg 06:09, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I already saw the premiere On Demand,I saw it 4 days ago. 98.14.15.12 (talk) 03:46, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The official premiere date is always that of the normal TV premiere, not the On Demand one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.205.86.56 (talk) 16:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I saw the first episode like 5 days before the premiere. Why does Disney Channel have a World Premiere of shows, even though some measly person could go On Demand and watch it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.49.94.247 (talk) 13:29, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

who was the girl on the new sonny with a chance episode #10 the little girl who screamed at sonny

Ahh, that would be G. Hannelius but please do not ask questions on the talk forum, this is strictly for article editing...and sign your posts. Thanks. BrittanyMouse! 18:26, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would actually like it if u merged it with the sonny with a chance page. Angela6251 (talk) 15:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)angela6251[reply]

Do the closing credits give a songwriter credit? With that, I could dig through BMI and ASCAP records to locate the title the theme was registered under.—Kww(talk) 14:59, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As I stated above and I did watch the complete end credits: End credits state only: "Theme Song Written and Produced by Jeannie Lurie, Aris Archontis and Chen Neeman" "Theme Song Performed by Demi Lovato". There is no specific name given to the theme song so presumed name is "Theme Song to Sonny With a Chance". If another name exists for the the theme song it needs to be referenced. --NrDg 15:06, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First thing I can say is that there only four songs with a registered copyright credited to those three composers. Lurie is registered with ASCAP, and Archontis and Neeman are registered with BMI. There is no song named "So Far, So Great" written by any of them or performed by Demi Lovato registered with ASCAP. There is no song named "So Far, So Great" written by any of them or performed by Demi Lovato registered with BMI. So, those of you that can sing this little ditty in your sleep, please look over these lists and tell me likely candidates. It takes a while, but I can link a title with a show if I know what I'm looking for:

• "So Far, So Great" on ASCAP
• "So Far, So Great" on BMI
• Demi Lovato performances on BMI
• Demi Lovato performances on ASCAP
• Chen Neeman written songs on BMI
• Archontis Aris composed songs on BMI
• Jeanne Lurie composed songs on ASCAP

—Kww(talk) 15:37, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good stuff. How long does it take for a new song to get registered? I did see a promo, unfortunately in an unusable-as-a-reference YouTube copyvio, that had audio of the song with an overlaid text that stated : 'Demi Lavoto "SO FAR SO GREAT" from the Disney Channel Original Series Sonny With a Chance.' This is sufficient for me to say this is pretty certain but just needs a usable reference. If we have a date when the promo aired we can use that airing info as a primary source reference. --NrDg 15:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Registration is generally in advance of you ever hearing a song. If it isn't registered, the songwriters can't collect performance royalties.—Kww(talk) 15:54, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another question: why do you think the text overlay was on the promo, instead of being from the YouTube publisher?—Kww(talk) 15:56, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of reasons. There were a fairly large number of uploads, can't say if independent or not, but probably so. Overlay look like it is in the original video, not added, and is familiar Disney Channel style. If the promo is in one of the episodes of a Disney Channel show that I have transferred from my TiVo and someone can tell me where, I can independently verify it. I am disinclined to search for it as I have a bunch. I normally strip commercials, don't have all DC shows, and only keep the episodes so might not have it. --NrDg 16:04, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Given that the 3 writers DID get a permanent official production credit in a broadcast TV series and other official sources don't show this, something doesn't make sense. Do you known if work-for-hire song writers get performance royalties or have they signed over everything to Disney, Lavato as well for her performance in the opening credits? --NrDg 21:14, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're right that something doesn't make a lot of sense here. It's possible (indeed probable) that they would have waived performance royalties in exchange for a fixed fee for the show, but highly unlikely that they would have waived it for things like radio airplay, and you know this thing is headed for Radio Disney in a heartbeat. If it was strictly a work-for-hire issue, then the title would be registered, but it would show some kind of corporate authorship. I'll keep an eye on BMI and ASCAP to see if anything changes there.—Kww(talk) 21:24, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

At 27'24" to 28'24" into the broadcast of Wizards of Waverly Place episode "Helping Hand" on Disney Channel that was broadcast Monday 2009-02-16 19:00 to 19:30 EST/PST a promo of Sonny With a Chance ran with the theme song identified at both the beginning and end of the promo as an overly of text as

Demi Lovato

"So Far, So Great"

From the Disney Channel Original Series

Sonny With A Chance

I personally watched the promo (it is on my TiVo). I consider this a sufficient reference for the name of the theme song. I conjecture that the name is not in the end credits as the song was not named at the time the first set of episodes was taped. --NrDg 05:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Where is there a source to verify this?Babygirl57 (talk) 19:23, 10 March 2009 (UTC) They aren't dating in the first season, but probaly they will in the second. Also, its quite obvious that they very much like eachother. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Disneygalxx123+abc (talk • contribs) 23:32, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They actually do start do date in Season 2 episode 1 (Falling for the falls) at the end of the episode, they argue on where to go for their second date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.61.53.182 (talk) 03:22, 3 January 2010 (UTC) WHy doesn't it say in the characters thing, that they are or aren't dating? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.245.62.61 (talk) 05:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The title of the show is called Sonny With A Chance, not Sonny With a Chance. The name should be changed this instance!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.74.99.18 (talk • contribs) 23:32, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Show name as shown in opening sequence of show is "Disney Sonny WITH A CHANCE". Official site shows name as "Sonny With A Chance". TV Guide, Titan TV, TiVo and other episode guides have name as "Sonny With a Chance". Usual title styles lowercases articles ("a"). Basically given two different "official" spellings, I say go with what is commonly used in all other sources of information. --NrDg 00:35, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Uk premier date should be changed the 20th March was a sneak peak the real thing is in April!--Tori100tcg (talk) 19:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was listening to radio Disney and the dj said the song is called so far so great.the only other disney theme song I can think of that does not have a themesong is lizzie mcguire.--207.69.139.147 (talk) 18:34, 23 April 2009 (UTC)sweetheart2009[reply]

Click on the little [8] next to the name which takes you to a line in the references sections. In the references there is a link to an official Disney site [1] which describes the show. --NrDg 15:03, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah i was wondering about that..... i thought that her name was just plain SONNY but then they put on ALLISON...... im slightly confused at this point. Bluecatzrule (talk) 01:04, 5 July 2009 (UTC)bluecatzrule[reply]

Or instead of wondering you could just read what I wrote at the top of this section that explicitly answered the question. --NrDg 01:07, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It says in the information for the first episode: 'Apsiring actress Allison 'Sonny' Munroe...' (User talk:Disneygalxx123+abc) —Preceding undated comment added 23:40, 22 August 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Her real name is Allison Monroe. Her mom gave her the nick name(Sonny) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.61.53.182 (talk) 17:55, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Someone should add a Development section to the article, and add the fact that it was once called "Welcome to Mollywood" and "Welcome to Holliwood", with Sonny being named Molly and Holli, respectively. Citations:
http://tv.nytimes.com/show/190073/Sonny-with-a-Chance/overview
http://www.j-14.com/2008/09/demi-lovato-now-sunny-with-a-c.html
http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-demilovatowelcometomollywood,0,5626407.story

Sonny was also intended to have an obnoxious younger brother, although he was apparently now cut. Casting announcements for him can be found on the internet, although I didn't search enough to find reliable sources.

Also, there obviously needs to be more citations. Most of this is apparently original research, which is alright for TV shows if they are facts coming directly from the primary source, the TV episode. In case anyone needs it, here's how to cite an article:

<ref>{{ cite episode | title = EPISODE TITLE | episodelink = EPISODE TITLE | series = Sonny With a Chance | serieslink = Sonny With a Chance | airdate = ORIGINAL EPISODE AIR DATE | season = 1 | number = EPISODE NUMBER }}</ref>

I would add these all myself, but don't currently have enough time to search, write appropriately, and appropriately cite the articles. Thanks, Liquidluck (talk) 00:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I thinks the name is a parody of Miki Falls, but I haven't read the manga so I don't know if they are alike in content. Hope this helps =) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.176.89 (talk) 12:14, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is worth noting that this show does not take place in the same fictional universe as most of Disney's other popular shows such as Hannah Montana, Wizards of Waverly Place, The Suite Life of Zack and Cody, The Suite Life On Deck, That's So Raven, and Cory in the House, which are all linked to one another through spinoffs and crossovers. It has been noted in episodes of Sonny With A Chance that Hannah Montana and Wizards of Waverly Place are merely television shows and not part of the fictional "real life" within the show. This also eliminates the possibility of a direct plot or character crossover with any of the above mentioned shows, but not guest appearances by the actors who play in them, such as in the episode "Battle of the Networks' Stars". weetbixkid (talk) 08:43, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You mean how Sonny says in the one episode with the little girl from the CHAD foundation, that "Chad still thinks Miley and Hannah are two different people" and that Sonny makes fun of Selena's character Alex, right? I agree... unless Disney decides to say that they made up all that about Miley and Selena. ;p BrittanyMouse! 18:02, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the Prom-misses, Prom-misses (I think it was that) episode, Sonny states that they'll invite "kids from shows on the lot" to the prom. Obviously, she meant more than just the Falls, because there were more than just like, 15 kids approx., there were I'd say around 50, and Tawni mentions that "the Gladiators" are animals...we should mention that there could be more than just SR & MF on the lot. BrittanyMouse! 17:59, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On the page it says that Nelly Furtado is guest starring. There is no reference on it and It doesn't say which episode she was in either. Can someone tell me cause I am so confused. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.19.248.53 (talk) 19:52, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It has been confirmed that season 2 premiere on DC in January (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ic77yUlfrk). Simply, do the math! S1 ended, there's no more new episodes. Therefore, new episodes are from S2. Josh (talk) 01:30, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Where is g ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.174.68.168 (talk) 05:24, 9 January 2010 (UTC) When in list of characters durinng it says amber almost k Ills sonny nico grady and chad they spell nico Nikko Who's G?--_Jayfeather 22:50, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused -- is his real? What reporter? Refs...?--<FONT FACE="Papyrus" SIZE="+1">[[User: jayfeather3|jayfeather]]</FONT> (talk) 00:32, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The first paragraph of the wikipedia page it says Sonny Monroe, it's not. Well in the episode 'Sonny In The Kitchen With Dinner' when Sonny's phone calls Chad his phone says 'Sonny Monroe' but on all the disney websites it says 'Munroe'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheridanjoy (talk • contribs) 03:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

y is it that everytime mackenzie falls or so random! is mentioned, its in bold? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.16.164.102 (talk) 19:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In the "main characters" section, I noticed quite a few errors in grammar and took the liberty of fixing them. The section makes more sense now. 64.179.170.155 (talk) 09:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It says tht Joe Jonas guest stars on an episode...is tht true??? Srry, it's been bothering me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KennaBeth717 (talk • contribs) 00:48, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, he guest stars in A So Random! Holiday Special. 161.130.178.143 (talk) 02:06, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am opening this section in case there is any discussion about the name change of the show. Apparently Brandon Mychal Smith confirmed that the show is being changed to So Random. Will the article be changed if there is a rep from Disney Channel who confirms the show's name change? --DisneyFriends (talk) 03:22, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Are you talking about this interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4bQDTiXpmw&feature=player_embedded, According to Mr. Smith season 3 will serve as a "prequel" to season 1. And with Demi still out for the early season 3 episodes, it makes sense for them to do this. But until we get a press release confirming the name change, let's leave the page name as is. QuasyBoy 22:58, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. However, if someone does confirm it, will the article be moved to "So Random" or will it say "Sonny with a Chance"? --DisneyFriends (talk) 15:48, 5 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It should stay Sonny with a Chance. This was discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Archive 13#Degrassi The Next Generation renamed. The result was to use the name that has been used for the longest amount of time. Which means, even with a full season with a different name, it is trumped by the two seasons of Sonny with a Chance. 117Avenue (talk) 00:55, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The name should be changed to So Random!, it has been confirmed by several cast members, and we can't keep it Sonny With a Chance, because it's not just a new season, but almost a new series, almost everything will be totally different, and the character Sonny will no longer be on the show (due to Demi Lovato's decision to move on to music), and that's the main reason for the name change, so it would be inappropriate to keep the name Sonny With a Chance. - Nevandc98—Preceding undated comment added 04:47, 26 April 2011 (UTC).

As was pointed out here, and on your talk page,[2][3] the convention is to use the name that the series has used for the longest period of time. Until season 5, that would be "Sonny with a Chance". It's certainly the case now when two seasons of "Sonny with a Chance" have aired and not a single episode of "So Random!" has been seen. For examples of the convention in action I point you, and any others who may feel the same as you, to Extreme Engineering which, in season 6 changed its name to Build It Bigger, and Hannah Montana, the fourth season of which has been heavily promoted and marketed as "Hannah Montana Forever" but is at Hannah Montana (season 4). --AussieLegend (talk) 05:51, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't go so far as to say the airing of season 5, but the news that So Random! will air through February 2013. 117Avenue (talk) 07:49, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but that information is totally off. Season 3 (So Random!) will air June 5, 2011. - Dcupdates11 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.3.133.151 (talk) 17:09, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source for this information? 117Avenue (talk) 03:18, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't actively edit any of these articles, but I follow them as an administrator. Watching the argument over the naming, I would suggest the following: treat "Sonny with a Chance" and "So Random!" as different shows. Describe "Sonny with a Chance" as a two-season show that has ended. Describe "So Random!" as a spin-off that began as a "show within a show" on SWAC. I think the result would be the most accurate and least confusing. This really isn't any different from "All In the Family" turning into "Archie Bunker's Place" after Rob Reiner and Sally Struthers left the show (yes, I know those shows are older than most of you, but so am I ...).—Kww(talk) 19:59, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The problem has been the lack of reliable sources, we don't exactly know how the two shows will be related, (ie. a continuation, a spin off, a show within a show, separate entities), until it comes closer to airing. 117Avenue (talk) 21:56, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Still, I think Kww's proposal has merit if everything pans out as we suspect. Of course we won't be able to do anything until we actually have some reliably sourced information, but that doesn't actually change anything that's happening right now. --AussieLegend (talk) 04:48, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Someone really needs to update this page: the premiere date is June 5, 2011, the new logo has been released, the show's name needs changed to So Random! it's official, there's a new co-star. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.19.85.1 (talk) 20:02, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source for any of this? 117Avenue (talk) 20:46, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The official promo debuted during the new Wizards of Waverly Place episode. <WP:LINKVIO removed> --DisneyFriends (talk) 16:54, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid that WP:LINKVIOs don't qualify as reliable sources. --AussieLegend (talk) 17:24, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

But would the promo be aired if Disney didn't confirm it? 161.130.178.143 (talk) 02:11, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly, we don't need "sources" if we see it with our own eyes. Why don't u leave the Disney Channel Shows editing to us, user 117Avenue! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.19.85.1 (talk) 02:54, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia's Verifiability policy requires that everything be sourced. "With our own eyes" constitutes original research and is not permitted. --AussieLegend (talk) 05:14, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If So Random! is promoted as a spin-off to Sonny with a Chance, would it get its own article? --DisneyFriends (talk) 22:38, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think that is the appropriate thing: look above for my comparison to All in the Family vs. Archie Bunker's Place, where the show continued minus some of the cast under a new title. Do you have any reliable sources that describe it as a "spin-off"?—Kww(talk) 22:42, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah okay. Nope, I don't have any sources for that, it just seems like it is different from the original show. I am just speculating here, but no sources, so article's good for now unless it is officially announced as a spin-off and not just another season of the original show. --DisneyFriends (talk) 22:51, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with DisneyFriends, it's more like a spin off, the show is totally different, and the cast is somewhat different. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.19.85.1 (talk) 02:56, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Without actually having seen the program, that's really not a statement that you can make with any authority. However, if the show has the same core cast, even with one deletion and some additions, is set in the same location and follows a similar theme (So Random! has been part of the program from day 1), even with a greater focus on So Random!, it's not a spin-off. The problem though is that we don't know and won't until the new season airs. Only then can we make a decision as to how to proceed. --AussieLegend (talk) 05:14, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Describe the difference between that and the All in the Family vs. Archie Bunker's Place example, please. To my mind, unless Disney explicitly describes it as the third season, treating it as a spinoff will be the cleanest approach.—Kww(talk) 11:15, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't tell you the difference because I never got into Archie Bunker. For more recent and typical spinoffs though you could look at JAG, NCIS and NCIS: Los Angeles, or Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis and Stargate Universe and there's always Cheers and Frasier. For a Disney example of what isn't a spinoff, compare Hannah Montana to Hannah Montana Forever. This last example involves the loss of a main cast member, a different theme as well as a different name and it wasn't a spinoff even with a change of location thrown in. As I said to the IP, the point is we don't know until the program airs. Note that I wasn't arguing that we shouldn't treat it as a spinoff, just that we can't claim it to be a spinoff until a reliable source says it is. --AussieLegend (talk) 11:49, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's why I provided links. In summary, two characters (Mike and Gloria) left the show. Since the focus had always been the disagreements between Archie and Mike, they needed a new setting to keep things going. Archie bought a bar, and they renamed the show. All other characters remained. The production company treated it as a spin-off, so it was a spin-off. I agree that it was more a continuation than a spin-off, but it sets a precedent for how this should be handled.—Kww(talk) 11:59, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

From what you've described, (links alone really don't really help me much since I'm not familiar with the program) it does seem more of a sequel than a spinoff. There are quite a few programs like that so it helps to have actually watched. The final seasons of The Practice, and Chicago Hope were significantly different to prior seasons but they were regarded simply as continuations of the series. On the other hand, The Suite Life on Deck was really a sequel to The Suite Life of Zack & Cody but the production company treated it as a spinoff so that's what it was. Regardless of how So Random! is treated by the production company, I agree that treating it as a separate show is likely to be a much cleaner process. --AussieLegend (talk) 12:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Disney Channel has released something on their website, but not a full press release, on the topic of So Random!. It seems to be phrased as a new series, but I guess the best thing to do would be to wait until there is a full press release on the topic. --DisneyFriends (talk) 23:33, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide a link?—Kww(talk) 00:30, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the full press release from them. I think this will give us some idea on what to do with this article. It says "first introduced in Sonny with a Chance." This makes it seem as if it as a new series. Not sure though. --DisneyFriends (talk) 18:50, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am an unknown person. And yes, since it is a spin off, it should have its own page. In the box on the right of the main sonny with a chance page, it should have a "preceded by" thing. Wouldnt that make more sense? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.80.230.88 (talk) 00:33, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In Disney's new promo of So Random! (watch it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUG53L-qlxs), they say "the show within a show is now its own show" and call it an "all-new" comedy. With that, I think it is safe to say that So Random! could use its own article. 24.107.239.69 (talk) 18:43, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at http://www.disneychannelmedianet.com/DNR/2011/SR_051711.doc makes me believe that treating it as a spin-off is indeed the best thing to do: it specifically describes it "the comedy series So Random!, first introduced in Sonny With A Chance". That means it's not being treated as a continuation, it's about like I described it above: it began as a "series within a series", and is now being made it's own show.—Kww(talk) 18:56, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the sources, it is looking like a new series. Anyone want to try a draft? 117Avenue (talk) 22:54, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'll made one and submit it as a request to replace the So random! redirect. 68DANNY2 (talk) 23:45, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The draft is complete with the information available at this point. It can be found at User:68DANNY2/So Random!. 68DANNY2 (talk) 00:22, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. 117Avenue (talk) 01:31, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. I can't touch the redirect due to WP:INVOLVED, but I'll ask C. Fred to take care of it.—Kww(talk) 02:55, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Moved the draft to So Random!. —C.Fred (talk) 03:21, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also explain why the promo also states a "BRAND NEW SEASON" of the show. - Alec2011 (talk) 05:05, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You are taking that out of context. The full quote is "it's an all new season of So Random". Other quotes include "when the all new musical sketch comedy show, So Random, comes to Disney Channel", and "So Random!, so premiers Sunday, June 5th". They are making it sound like it is a previous show, coming from a different channel. 117Avenue (talk) 05:16, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I know what the promo stated. "It's an All New season of So Random!" which would explain the part of it taking place as a new season of SWAC under a different name as it said new season. The problem is that no press release ever stated a spin-off or sequel, it's only stated that So Random has become it's own show just without the behind-the-scenes part. I assume we should also treat the episodes "A So Random: Halloween Special" and "A So Random: Christmas Special" as different episodes than SWAC as they are only So Random? Yes that would indicate a new show by itself is a brand new show by everyone's else's standards, but Disney is taking place after Season 2 by still using the production codes after season 2 starting with episode 1 of the new season as 301. - Alec2011 (talk) 06:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Production codes don't necessarily mean season and episode. They are just codes used during the production of an episode to help identify the episode before its airing order is determined, it's titled, or even before the story is written. 117Avenue (talk) 06:54, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why Isn't Demi Lovato in the Disney Channel Series, So Random!?!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.10.125.238 (talk) 14:22, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

She quit Sonny with a Chance, that's the whole reason a spin-off was made.--Babar Suhail (talk) 19:42, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The show should fall under the category of 'Cancelled', I think, seeing the show didn't hav a proper 'Ending'. --Babar Suhail (talk) 19:43, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We know that the show has ended, that's obvious. However, in order for it to be placed in the "cancelled" category it needs a source to confirm that it has been cancelled. Until such a source is provided, it's just "ended". --AussieLegend (talk) 20:14, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

SatDis, I'm mostly done with the copy edit you requested. I'm wondering about the description of Grady. It's not often you see someone described as "mindless". Could you help me understand what this is intended to mean? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:14, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks @Firefangledfeathers: for the copy-edit. Grady should be described as unintelligent/stupid or goofy, but I think I chose mindless as a kinder version of that trait. Hopefully you can help to find the most suitable description. Thanks! SatDis (talk) 13:12, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  How about "brainless"? It usually means stupid or foolish. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:05, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• @Firefangledfeathers: Perfect! SatDis (talk) 22:09, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]