Talk:Piprahwa

The subject of this article is controversial and content may be in dispute. When updating the article, be bold, but not reckless. Feel free to try to improve the article, but don't take it personally if your changes are reversed; instead, come here to the talk page to discuss them. Content must be written from a neutral point of view. Include citations when adding content and consider tagging or removing unsourced information.

This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Guild of Copy Editors This article was copy edited by a member of the Guild of Copy Editors.Guild of Copy EditorsWikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy EditorsTemplate:WikiProject Guild of Copy EditorsGuild of Copy Editors articles Buddhism Mid‑importance This article falls within the scope of WikiProject Buddhism, an attempt to promote better coordination, content distribution, and cross-referencing between pages dealing with Buddhism. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page for more details on the projects.BuddhismWikipedia:WikiProject BuddhismTemplate:WikiProject BuddhismBuddhism articles Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. History Mid‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject History, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the subject of History on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.HistoryWikipedia:WikiProject HistoryTemplate:WikiProject Historyhistory articles Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. India: Geography Mid‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject India, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of India-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page.IndiaWikipedia:WikiProject IndiaTemplate:WikiProject IndiaIndia articles Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. This article is supported by the Indian geography workgroup (assessed as Low-importance).

Archives

no archives yet (create)

This article is not much use and it is in need of radical reorganisation. Is it about a site? Is it about the finds from the site? Is it about an alleged hoax? The uninformed reader will come to this piece and think they have entered the middle of an argument. This is not what WIKIPEDIA is about, read soapbox and other guideline.Intervention is in the cards at some point, but opening up discussion here is a good idea. --Shirazibustan (talk) 13:46, 12 June 2013 (UTC)Shirazibustan[reply]

There's a new article by a curator at the Met that just came out in Orientations so I've made some changes based on that which I hope will move in the direction you're recommending (which I agree with). I'm fully aware of the India v Nepal struggle over who owns Kapilavastu (and associated tourist revenue) but the site seems impartial on that subject. Piprahwa's notoriety is mainly for what you can see: an impressive stupa with a fascinating claim to fame Kalagon (talk) 22:53, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article discusses clearly Piprahwa village and more importantly its Stupa. Yes, there is a discussion about the Piprahwa find (that is what history is like sometimes) and its authenticity as an important historical monument. People may wish to add more description about the historical Stupa itself (i.e. facts)and I will do, but mere description of a place is not what a place or information is simply about - that would be naive. Pipscherf13 (talk) 22:01, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Shirazibustan, I agree with your comment. JimRenge (talk) 09:38, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, speaking as a naif, is not the subtext to this that India would like the location of the Buddha's upbringing to be in India at Piprahwa rather than in Nepal, a little to the North? If that is the case and that is Piprahwa's claim to fame, wouldn't it simply be more straightforward to state this in the opening paragraph? --50.68.134.51 (talk) 19:20, 12 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Content from websites whose content is largely user-generated is also generally unacceptable." This includes "Sites with user-generated content include personal websites, personal blogs (...)." (WP:USERGENERATED) Please see also WP:EL and WP:COI for more information. http://news-antique.com/?id=805825 may, or may not, be relevant in this context. Ronz, could you please take a look at the EL section? There is an extremely slow edit war going on here. JimRenge (talk) 17:06, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look.

So this article is really about the archaeological findings near Piprahwa and speculation about them?

The currently linked piprahwamuseum.com just has the single page with images and a link to http://kapilavastumuseum.in/ ? Nothing else?

kapilavastumuseum.in is no longer working but was archived fairly recently: https://web.archive.org/web/20160109173203/http://kapilavastumuseum.in/

kapilavastumuseum.in included a link to asilucknowcircle.nic.in, another site that is no longer working.

It might be helpful to know what section of ASI currently includes Piprahwa.

I cannot get the search engine at http://asi.nic.in to give anything other than an error.

I'm not clear any of the removed links meet EL criteria.

I think we have WP:FRINGE issues with the article content and the links in dispute. --Ronz (talk) 18:23, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Ronz, your comment is most welcome because I know you are competent in EL disputes and you have no dog in this race. The old ASI link, https://web.archive.org/web/20160109173203/http://kapilavastumuseum.in/, had more useful info, I will re-add this one.

The problematic, self-published links were:

• http://www.piprahwa.org.uk The Piprahwa Deceptions: Setups and Showdown (autor:TA Phelps; added several times by [User:Taphelps])
• http://piprahwadebunk.com Debunking the Piprahwa Conspiracy theory (blog)
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn3lk6xTF24 Bones of the Buddha (copyvio?)
• http://www.piprahwa.com The Piprahwa Project (anonymous blog/virtual project; no evidence that this site is a reliable source; perhaps a personal website of Allen or a member of the Peppe family)
• http://www.piprahwajewels.co.uk The Piprahwa Jewels (personal website of Neil Peppe, owner of a part of the jewels, however he is not a published scholar or expert)

I have removed these links; they are interesting (the photos of the jewels are very nice) but partisan and I see no evidence of their reliability. JimRenge (talk) 20:14, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I assume The Kapilavastu/Piprahwa museum is still under the jurisdiction of the Lucknow Circle (https://web.archive.org/web/20160109195227/http://asilucknowcircle.nic.in/) of the Archaeological Survey of India. JimRenge (talk) 22:04, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Can anyone write about; A German archaeologist named Alois Führer rediscovered Lumbini in 1895 CE. How Kapilvastu/Lumbini was annexed by King of Nepal in recent past? What is the history of Kapilvastu, Lumbini? Who was the last king ? When was it annexed by Nepal? Prashanna01 (talk) 16:54, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]