Talk:Pedro del Valle

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This article is well-written and well-sourced, but there are some POV concerns I have. This concerns the issue of del Valle's anti-Semitism. Obviously, this is a subject that leads to lots of problems at Wikipedia. It's important to include the information, but we need to be doubly-careful to source all information in the "Later years" section.

The article mentions that del Valle's organizations and associations were criticised as anti-Semite, but it never says he himself was. But he certainly was, and the article should say that. For instance, following the link for footnote 9, I see than ITT's Washington representative labeled him anti-Semitic. He wrote a letter of support to Conde McGinley, and he described the Truman administration as "completely in the power of the Zionist-Marxist minority".

He was also criticised not just for anti-Semitism, but also for his other far-Right views. For instance, he said:

Treason is everywhere about us and I do not believe that we have any chance unless some strong military person is able to seize power by means of a "coup d'etat" and take the Communist bull by the horns right at home.

He also was close to Junio Valerio Borghese, an Italian-fascist war-criminal, and was friends with (and gave money to) George Lincoln Rockwell, head of the American Nazi Party.

Perhaps this should be included in a "Controversial beliefs" section? The article certainly isn't complete without this information. – Quadell ^{(talk) (bounties)} 15:16, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just wanted to touch the basics because you know how it is, people may let their passions get the better part of them and start to attack the intergerity of the article. I have seen many good articles that have been affected with continuous copyediting and reverts. Tony the Marine

By the way, I have passed the article as a Good Article. – Quadell ^{(talk) (bounties)} 15:58, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the Good article criteria. Since this article was awarded GA status in 2006, the GA criteria have changed significantly. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed.

Specifically, the referencing criterion has been tightened up. As a rule of thumb, all GAs now require (as a minimum) a reference at the end of each paragraph that covers the general content of that paragraph, and additional in-line citations where necessary for sentences that need them (such as quotations, controversial or challengable statements etc). Pedro del Valle has significant gaps in its referencing and does not meet this criteria.

I will check back in no less than seven days (around 24th October). If progress is being made and issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted (such a decision may be challenged through WP:GAR). If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAN. Feel free to drop a message on my talk page if you have any questions, and many thanks for all the hard work that has gone into this article thus far. Regards, EyeSerene^TALK 12:26, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Concerns have been looked into Tony the Marine 18:47, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree, citations have been added. — ERcheck (talk) 11:37, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So do I ;) Excellent work once again, and thank you! I've now passed the GA reassessment. EyeSerene^TALK 11:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It would seem that General del Valle was the one who introduced the Holocaust Museum shooter to anti-Semitic conspiracism, according to von Brunn's own site (now deleted, hence my using the Archive.org cache).[1] 75.76.213.106 (talk) 08:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Von Brunn's mentions that "General del Valle testified in my behalf at the trial". Just out of curiousity, show me the section where he mentions that General del Valle was the one who introduced him to anti-Semitic conspiracism, I must have overlooked it, but it wouldn't surprise me at all since "del Valle" was anti-Semitic. One of the things that I found ironic when I did the research and wrote the article of del Valle was the fact that he, a "Puerto Rican", had such views when in fact most of the groups he mingled with were themselves racist against Puerto Ricans. Interesting, isn't it? Tony the Marine (talk) 19:46, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above comment is condescending and insulting to Puerto Ricans. What? Del Valle can't have strong feelings about another ethnic group because somebody else doesn't like him? What kind of nonsense is that? Is "Tony the bleeping Marine" saying that Puerto Ricans are to be lumped with all the "hated groups in the world," and they must, absolutely must, gosh, just love everybody? Give me a break! The Brits know a lot of people don't like them, that doesn't keep them from being prejudiced about other groups. What about that, Tony? Do you tell the Brits, "don't say anything bad about Indians, because, you know, the Nepalese don't like you." Geez. I'm not defending del Valle's anti-semitism, I'm defending all Puerto Rican's right to make up their own minds about others.98.170.214.134 (talk) 23:45, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's in that link. Just CTRL+F for "del Valle" and you'll find it. Here's the text:

"In 1964 Gen. Pedro del Valle gave me John O. Beaty's The Iron Curtain Over America. For the first time I learned how JEWS had destroyed Europe and were now destroying America.

MORAL: Never, never, never trust a JEW. Heil Hitler."

Clearly, von Brunn claims that del Valle introduced him to anti-Semitism. That's only vun Brunn's own word for it, and he's clearly a lunatic, but like you said, del Valle's own known anti-Semitism makes it quite believable. 75.76.213.106 (talk) 01:51, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• It is all very interesting and as you said Von Brunn is a lunatic who could have invented meeting del Valle in person since there is no evidence of that actually happening, but one thing seems to be certain and that is that del Valle's anti-Semitism is among the many factors which have influenced Von Brunn's state of mind. It has been a pleasure to have interacted with you. Tony the Marine (talk) 04:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is currently listed as no ribbon. Is this because one isn't worn, or because we don't have such an image? If the later, is this the one? File:StarofItalyRibbon.gif. --Falcorian ^(talk) 00:16, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• You are right, we didn't have the image and now thanks to you we do. I posted it in the article. Thank you once more. Tony the Marine (talk) 09:16, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]