Talk:Pamukkale

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Revisions succeeding this version of this article is substantially duplicated by a piece in an external publication. Since the external publication copied Wikipedia rather than the reverse, please do not flag this article as a copyright violation of the following source: Tourism Observer (17 November 2019), TURKEY: Pamukkale The Home Of Travertine Hosts 2.3M Visitors Additional comments The external page was published on November 17, 2019, the linked revision is from October, 2019.

i have a question..i visited pamukkale 2 years ago and the guide of our group told us that pamukkale's natural water is not existant anymore..so they take the water from the roman baths nearby..because of the fact that they can only fill a limited number of platforms, it is said that in maximum 40 years "the cotton castle" will no longer exist in the form it is in present...it will be just a rocky mountain..is that true?

the answer is yes andwater there's a misunderstanding, hotels and etc. around pamukkale use the water which is speacial actually and makes the pamukkale a real wonder.If they dont stop that, then yes, most probly my grandchildren will never learn about such a wonder.But as far as I know, last 3-4 years goverment have been trying to do something about that but it's all what i know.So maybe it can be saved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My Internet side http://olafzesewitz.de/gallery/tuerkei/pamukkale/ can supply meaningful supplementing pictorial material to the article. The pictorial material published there by me is not subject to restrictions of use in this format. The decision over screen selection, Upload and/or mounting an externally link on my web page I would like to leave to the authors of the article. --ozes

Why region is pointed as Europe and North America? Pamukkale is in Asian part of Turkey and Turkey belongs to both categories, Europe and Asia. So I think that region should be changed to Asia.

Good question, but it's the designation used by UNESCO, for some reason. [1] --Old Moonraker (talk) 09:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The reason is that for reasons having to do with Greek history and culture, modern Turkey (even the Asia Minor part), is not generally considered to be formally part of Asia and is assimilated with Europe when it comes to matter of historical heritage.--Svartalf (talk) 17:18, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was my understanding that galleries were not supposed to be in Wikipedia articles. (but kept in commons) An editor has added a category which points to this article as containing a video clip. If the gallery assumption is correct, this category should not exist. Student7 (talk) 11:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

@Student7: Your understand seems to be correct. The category at Commons is Commons:Category:Pamukkale

I found your comment about that galleries belong in Commons at the very last line of MOS:IMAGES. Also of interest is WP:GALLERY which is Wikipedia policy.

Overall, the existing gallery for this article seems to be within policy other than it contains several images that do not seem to "add to the reader's understanding of the subject." For example, these have no sense of scale nor location within the site and should be removed:

I had landed on the article as I wanted to add File:Pamukkale Hierapolis Travertine pools.JPG but now see that while it's a pretty picture that there are already too many pictures. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:05, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I read the article in the first (newest) link. Either the article suffers from translation or this is mostly nonsense. If they are running out of water, okay. But why didn't they say that? If they are running out of heat for the water, that is fairly serious and can't be restored, but they didn't say that either. The meeting topic, as reported sounds nonsensical. Student7 (talk) 22:20, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The health section needs work. It makes some pretty extraordinary claims, citing no sources. This information should either be deleted or a reliable source should be found for it. Here's a quote: "It has a healing effect on heart diseases, atherosclerosis, blood pressure, rheumatism, eye and skin diseases, rickets, nervous disorders, nervous and physical exhaustion circulatory problems and furthermore when it is drunk, it is good for digestive maladies. Nevertheless it has diuretic effect and also effects expelling kidney stone/sand and urethra inflammation" Gary (talk) 03:40, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article is mostly plagiarized from a tourist site written in poor English which makes unbelievable claims of uncertain source about the health benefits of Pamukkale's water. I can't post a link because it is blocked; it appears on this list[2], and I found it by copy&pasting a poorly-written sentence from the article into Google. If the site is blocked, we probably should not use its information. Gary (talk) 17:13, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if it's plagiarism per se (which would be a copyvio), but it's certainly written/ translated by a Turkish author with full Turkish bias (the spelling of non-Turkish names, such as those from mythology follows Turkish habits), and I'm not sure I like the content, I'm not up to editing the article, though, as my knowldge of the site is minimal.--Svartalf (talk) 17:22, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So should everything from the site be deleted, or should we keep it in the hope that someone more knowledgeable will improve things? Gary (talk) 17:37, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The site is definitely wiki worthy, so no deleting the article, and editing the crap out of this requires expertise... so let's wait till somebody who can do it does... I don't even know where we caould call for an expert to review this, even though I'm sure there is a place for this somewhere in the wikiweb. --Svartalf (talk) 19:08, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article also looks like someone copied and pasted sections from other articles. Specifically the article on Hierapolis. The sections don't flow together well and seem out of place and some are downright irrelevant. Dr. Morbius (talk) 19:37, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the text comes from a site that I can't link here, the Wikipedia software prevents me from doing so. You can find it by Googling the sentence "These theoretical calculations indicate that up to. 4.9 km2 it can be covered with a white deposit of 1 mm thickness." Gary (talk) 02:22, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The site used as source in the article is one prepared by the local government of the Denizli province. I proposed its removal from the blacklist. I think it contains some useful information about the museum, etc.(except the health section) Let´s see if it will be whitelisted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gminef (talk • contribs) 21:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's pretty much down to a barebones article at this point. I suggest diving in and rewording as you see fit (as with any article). Huge list of "to dos" at the top. I wonder if all those still apply. I think of lot of them were placed there when it was a fatter article. A lot of the Hieropolis stuff got moved out, which makes it a cleaner article. Some of the moved-out stuff has already been re-edited in Hieropolis.

At this point, if we delete, there won't be much left!  :) Student7 (talk) 14:06, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to the editor who rm many of the tags. It helps to be able to focus our efforts on current, real problems! Student7 (talk) 22:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article still has a high 92% copy violation as of Sept. 2020. Not sure if it should be cleaned up or TNT'd. since the prose is not great, and there is a lot of factual confusion as to the mineral content of the travertine formations. If anyone else is watching this article, and would like to discuss collaborating on clean up, please ping me. Thank you. Netherzone (talk) 15:25, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

While the article does have a 92% match with this external page, that external page was published on November 17, 2019. The potentially copypasted content was in the article before the external page was published. As a consequence, this is likely a WP:BACKWARDSCOPY situation. I have thus removed the tag.

However, I agree with you on the need to clean things up further, though. Themillofkeytone (talk) 16:52, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC has a good article today about this site including extensive discussion of the Ploutonion (misspelled in the Wiki article). A person with more time could turn this into article content and references.

https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20210629-turkeys-mysterious-portal-to-the-underworld

71.255.130.67 (talk) 18:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I added it as a Further reading link. If you are short in time, like all of us volunteers, you can always consider adding it as an external link or further reading as long as it's a RS and not a promo EL. Netherzone (talk) 21:55, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]