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The German translation contains an error in the penultimate sentence before section 'Background' . Only the number 1943 [ from 05 July to 17 July 1943 ] is correct. Uazt (talk) 08:21, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It says that the Axis captured a total of 600,000 square kilometers during the operation. I do however believe the number is closer to around 1,300,000 or even 1,500,000 square kilometres; mostly from my own calculations. I looked at some old maps and I came to this conclusion. I also checked some sources like the one I linked below. It adds up if you look at the percentage of occupied territory and look at the size of the Soviet Union at the time of the operation. I might still be wrong obviously, but I'm just putting this out there. But I do know that it is more than 600,000 square kilometers as it says in the article though. Thanks for reading!

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1260027/occupied-territory-and-population-during-wwii/

Only one of the sources I used, but it's pretty reliable.

MeManBlaze (talk) 04:01, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed the 600,000 number cannot possibly be correct. Perhaps there was confusion with square miles. Ukraine alone covers 603,628 km2. Belarus measures 207,595 km2, Estonia 45,339 km2, Latvia 64,589 km2, Lithuania 65,300 km2 and Moldova 33,843 km2. To this one million square kilometres surface, the area in Russia should be added.--MWAK (talk) 07:47, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yep! I might change it to 1,500,000 square kilometers, or more if I find another more telling source. Even if it's not 100% accurate it's still way closer to the actual size of it, and I'm using the source I linked (statista) to back it up.

Anyone that has more knowledge about this should feel free to change it too. MeManBlaze (talk) 17:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For the time being, I change kilometers into miles.--MWAK (talk) 07:21, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

it is there any articke or book which list numbers of all forces , year by year on all fronts ? i mean, here we have numbers in which germany invader ussr, but we dont know how much forces germany did left on other theatres. be it guarding france or other conquered territories or used in other campaigns at same time. 2A00:1028:96D0:36CA:973:3405:6F9E:8104 (talk) 11:45, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see that there's a dispute about the section name. "Belarussia" is not something used in literature. To use the naming from the Soviet times, it would be "Byelorussia", to match Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic. However, I personally prefer "Belarus" as more common in contemporary literature. -- K.e.coffman (talk) 18:55, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Depends. Byelorussia/Belorussia refers to the republic. Belarus was also divided between the USSR and Poland until the former occupied the rest of it. Similarly we use the term Moldavia to refer to the Soviet republic. I don't think it would make sense to use "Moldavia" and "Belarus" at the same time. Mellk (talk) 23:23, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had a look and an IP changed the heading from Belorussia to Belarussia on 22 May 2022.[1] I think at least for now this should be reverted and then discussion about changing this can continue. Mellk (talk) 03:31, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

can someone sdd independent state of Croatia? 185.246.164.82 (talk) 01:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]