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Section sizes Section size for List of kidnappings (9 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 319 319 By date 329 329 Modern kidnappings of celebrities or their relatives 27,880 27,880 Faked kidnappings 6,147 6,147 Suspected kidnappings 6,679 6,679 Kidnapping in lieu of extradition 3,553 3,553 Mass kidnappings 10,176 10,176 See also 77 77 References 98 98 Total 55,258 55,258

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Now that the Cleo Smith case in Carnavon, Australia is over, I safely believe it can be added to the list.

9:26 AM, 4 November 2021 (WAST)

Why is this case listed as a suspected kidnapping? The text says: [she] seems to have been abducted on 22 November. What does that mean? Her main article (Murder of Dru Sjodin) says, in the lead, that she was abducted. And her main article also details a prosecution under the "Federal Kidnapping Act". Given all this, why is her case considered a "suspected kidnapping" for purposes of this article? Thanks. 32.209.69.132 (talk) 05:23, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Carlee Russell disappearance hoax. I added this. It was immediately removed. Why was it removed?

1. This has been in the news a lot recently, due to recent court decisions.

2. There is already a Wikipedia article about it.

3. The lead to the Wikipedia article states: On July 13, 2023, American nursing student, Carlethia "Carlee" Nichole Russell (born 1997/1998) allegedly disappeared for 49 hours from her home in Hoover, Alabama, falsely reporting to police afterwards that she had been abducted. The story of her disappearance went viral on TikTok and other social media platforms. On July 24, Russell admitted that she had fabricated the story, and had not been abducted.

4. This is no longer "alleged". She was convicted in court, today. Source: [1].

Thanks. 32.209.69.132 (talk) 00:03, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't Vladimir Putin be on the list of mass abductions because of the mass child abductions in Ukraine? 94.110.131.252 (talk) 09:08, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This page is very long and will only get longer. I suggest that we follow the model in List of films based on actual events and split the date-based lists into separate pages. The non-date content is relatively short and can stay here (unless someone wants to make a another proposal for that). We can follow the sections currently in use, resulting in articles with these dates:

• List of kidnappings before 1900
• List of kidnappings: 1900–1949
• List of kidnappings: 1950–1979
• List of kidnappings: 1980–1989
• List of kidnappings: 1990–1999
• List of kidnappings: 2000–2009
• List of kidnappings: 2010–2019
• List of kidnappings: 2020–present

The resulting pages will all be shorter and therefore more manageable for readers, especially readers on phones. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems reasonable to me. I agree that the non-date content seems too short to split out (as a section→article split at least) but it seems at least a little odd to leave this article as an index that also has content, though I can't think of a good way to fix that. Nonetheless, I still support a split of the time-sorted entries out if nobody has any great ideas on what to do with the rest (or if nobody else thinks it should be split out at all in the first place). Tollens (talk) 09:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree with you. I have split off the first section – an example, if anyone wants to look at it – and will leave the rest until others have a chance to weigh in. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I support, though I would recommend different titles:

• List of kidnappings (pre–1900)
• List of kidnappings (1900–1949)
• List of kidnappings (1950–1979)
• List of kidnappings (1980–1989)
• List of kidnappings (1990–1999)
• List of kidnappings (2000–2009)
• List of kidnappings (2010–2019)
• List of kidnappings (2020–present)

This will align with the titles of the articles about missing persons. Blubabluba9990 (talk) (contribs) 23:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the missing persons lists use a colon, no? List of solved missing person cases: 1950–1999 as a potential example? If there are similar indices for people I agree these titles should be consistent with them, assuming they are already consistent between themselves. If there's no established naming pattern I don't really mind either way. Tollens (talk) 04:40, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (lists)#Long (split) list naming recommendations suggests using a colon and allows parentheses as an accepted variation. I don't feel strongly about the format is. WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:51, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for finding that, I should've guessed that there would be something about this somewhere. Based on that guideline it seems like the colons are preferred over the parentheses so I'd tend to lean that way as well unless there's some good reason not to. Tollens (talk) 15:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've updated my original list to use the colon format and the suggestion from @Blubabluba9990 to say "1980–1989" instead of "in the 1980s".

If anyone wants to do the split, please feel free. I have no interest in 'owning' the process. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:20, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've completed the split, and have combined all the date-based sections in this article into one list of lists. Still not sure what to do about the extra lists on this page. Tollens (talk) 05:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One additional thing to consider is how to best facilitate navigation between these new lists. Tollens (talk) 05:31, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Fram: I see you've draftified List of kidnappings: 2020–present (Draft:List of kidnappings: 2020–present). While technically the article is indeed less than 90 days old, it is the result of this split and I would argue therefore not eligible for draftification. I don't disagree with you about the issues you identify, though. Tollens (talk) 15:15, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved the page back to article space.

Courtesy ping: Fram Tollens (talk) 05:05, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• While I do not object to the split are there any other ways to do the split for example by country or by type of kidnapping? Jorahm (talk) 16:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Maybe. Sometimes we make sets of lists. The existence of List of kidnappings before 1900 doesn't mean that we can't also have a List of kidnappings in the United States as well. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:49, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support makes enough sense. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]