Talk:List of Pretty Little Liars characters

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What happened to the section on Aria's family? It's just gone except for half of a sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.89.235.114 (talk) 01:57, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

why isnt there a main article for hanna marin????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.30.56.214 (talk) 08:34, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

∞Alison IS alive. She had a twin, Courtney. Courtney was in a mental hospital and had menaged to escape and replacing Alison in her place. Courtney had been pretending to be Alison for years but then Alison escaped from the mental hospital and then kidnapped Courtney and buirried her alive. Now Alison IS alive and is a part of "-A" and is Red Coat.

That is a part that I just wanted to add to the Alison DiLaurentis (Sasha Pieterse) section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.150.243.126 (talk) 10:43, May 25, 2013‎ (UTC)

Why are there no individual pics of Lucy Hale or Sasha Pieterse, like there are with the rest of the main characters? 98.21.153.183 (talk) 20:02, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add Toby Cavanaugh to the Main Characters because he has been in more episodes than 5 of the people that are under the title main. For example, Maya St Germain has been in 19 episodes and Toby Cavanaugh has been in 62. Prettylittleliar.spoby (talk) 20:14, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Toby may have a bigger role than Maya, however, Maya was listed in the main cast and Toby is still a guest star so he should stay in supporting. Scream4man (talk) 02:42, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Per Scream4man's response. -- ferret (talk) 17:43, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So instead of making the decision myself, I have decided to come here and ask for thoughts. Should Shana be listed as a member of the "A-Team"? It has been confirmed that Shana wasn't the "A" behind it all, but does that mean she didn't have connections with "A-Team"? I also must note that Shana didn't just perform "A" like tasks in that episoe (5x01/4x24). Remember the fact that she is the one who set the Lodge on fire, was the black jacketed person who met with Jenna, And had connections to Mona and Ravenswood as seen in 4A. Scream4man (talk) 04:05, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Are you considered recurring after 3 appearances in a season or 5? Scream4man (talk) 03:46, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You're considered recurring after 5 appearances :) I'm still unsure as to why Jordan is even on the list though as he's only been in 4 episodes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.190.226 (talk) 15:03, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keegan Allen (Toby Cavanaugh) should be listed as a main character is has been in almost every episode since seaseon 2 98.118.1.178 (talk) 23:01, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Please discuss it here before listing that CeCe was Red Coat. The finale never said that it was CeCe. Sara used the disguise at least three confirmed times and CeCe has only been confirmed to have worn it at the Sawmill and own one in 4x11. Scream4man (talk) 18:47, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We cannot confirm that it was Sara at the grave or any of that but we can 100% confirm that Sara got off that plane in 3x24, attended that funeral in 4x01, and this therefore means that she also was the woman in the black veil in 5x06. This is no different than Toby being played by an extra in the Pilot episode. It's still an appearance of the character. on a second note, CeCe should be added for appearances when we can confirm it was her as well. For example: We know it was her in the ending of 2x25 in the Red Coat. Scream4man (talk) 21:16, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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2606:A000:EC85:1D00:CDFB:9689:D7BD:963F (talk) 03:13, 30 January 2016 (UTC) so toby cavanah is listed as a reacurring and he is part of the main cast[reply]

 Not done - No, he is not. At least that's what reliable sources say. See this for example. -- Chamith (talk) 03:59, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

His actor, Keegan Allen, is credited as Guest Starring, so regardless of how big Toby's role is, he's still recurring. Scream4man (talk) 20:20, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Toby appeared in the Pilot episode portrayed by James Neate, Jessica DiLaurentis was portrayed by a different actress as well, as was Jason and Kate. This is no different from Sara Harvey. Yes, Charlotte has appeared in almost every single episode but that's different, because we are not 100% everytime that it was her. We know 100% sure that Sara Harvey got off the plane as Red Coat in 3x24 (portrayed by Sasha Pieterse), attended Wilden's funeral as Black Veil (portrayed by CC Mason), writing a note to Bethany's parents in 5x05 (unknown actor), and sitting down beside Charlotte in 6x08. So give me a good reason why we should not add these for? Also, she had an uncredited appearance in 4x14, portrayed by stock photos. Scream4man (talk) 20:18, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is different from Sara Harvey because their faces are shown and their actors are billed and the table reflects the different casting and episode counts are still updated. It is not different from Charlotte appearing is almost every episode but we do not count them. Episode count goes by billing of who is playing who, otherwise the counts become a big mess because of this. There is already a note saying she is portrayed by stock photos. Brocicle (talk) 23:55, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sara should not be added as Red Coat and Black Widow because we never saw her face. We didn't add CeCe as "A", we didn't add Mona as "A", we didn't add Melissa or Wilden as Queen of Hearts and so on. The stock photo is an important exception, because it was a Sara-centered episode and her introduction. Bernnardo (talk) 15:32, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I see no problem with adding Mona and Charlotte as "A" but yes that is a little different. We saw a black hoodie. That's all. Sara's obscured face was actually shown in 3x24 (played by Sasha in that one) and you can all but see her face in that veil (played by CC Mason). That was just various stunt doubles running around in those hoodies as Mona and Charlotte. No, I do not think that we should add every single Red Coat appearance, I think we should add the ones when we are 100% certain that it is her. Aka 3x24 (We saw the flashback in the finale), 4x01 (Again, we saw the flashbacks), 5x06 (Sara was the Black Widow, so it was her at the ending of the episode) and 6x08 (that one most definitely). And honestly, I personally think we should add CeCe as a guest for 2x25 since she visited Mona and Shana when she visited Jenna. Those are different because we know it is them. Also, the stock photo really isn't that different. Scream4man (talk) 20:01, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

All the character lists that I have come across have their count per billing and appearance, Sara did not physically appear in those episodes, just through flashback. I don't think it is fair to count Sara's appearances as Red Coat and Black Widow. Plus it literally could have been anyone but Marlene went with Sara, wrong move in my opinion but not the topic here. Stock photo is different as Dre Davis did not portray her in that episode. It would be like not counting the Pilot episode for Toby and Mrs DiLaurentis because they were played by someone else but they still physically appeared. Brocicle (talk) 23:05, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Those weren't flashbacks, Sara was literally there. And I get your point, but to be fair we are very different from every other list. They don't have unknown characters in disguises and stuff like that. Not trying to argue, I'm just saying that this is a list of characters not actors. If it were actors then yes I agree but this is about the characters. Scream4man (talk) 06:15, 17 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I thought I responded but didn't. But she wasn't at the time, the writer's could have made it anyone like Melissa or Jenna. CeCe was there on many occasions that we know of but we don't count her appearances or Mona's from the first two seasons as Bernnardo said. I feel like if we add them for Sara then we have to add them for CeCe and Mona and that's just too much. Brocicle (talk) 14:53, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I do understand your point about adding unknown appearances but "But she wasn't at the time, the writer's could have made it anyone like Melissa or Jenna." I don't think the writers just got a bunch of characters on a list and said "Okay, so I think we'll use Sara to be Red Coat". :/ Scream4man (talk) 23:08, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I know we used 5 episodes for the other seasons because Recurring means like 1/5 of a season so five episodes was a good decision. But Season 6 has 20 episodes, so shouldn't we reduce it to 4? I'm just asking for your opinion. Bernnardo (talk) 22:42, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well I think it varies with different pages. Some TV show character pages count 3 as recurring and some count 5. So I personally think we should find out which one is the official definition of recurring and use that one for all seasons. Scream4man (talk) 21:59, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of shows with say 10-15 episodes use 2 appearances of a character as recurring. I agree that we need to find the official definition. Brocicle (talk) 05:07, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think 3 is too little. I believe we should keep 5 for seasons 1-5 and decide if seasons 6-7 should have either 4 or 5. Bernnardo (talk) 14:24, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should just leave it as 5 unless there's a character that has a big significance in the storyline if they're only in say 3 episodes Brocicle (talk) 14:53, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The reason I removed him was because we know Melissa was the one who drugged Aria and therefore left behind the "A" on the wall. I mean that was a female stunt double for that scene and a male for Wilden attacking Spencer. And "A" only buried one mask. We now know that Wilden was acting on his own when he killed Garrett so maybe "A" only sent Melissa. But his involvement could be argued I guess. Oh, and by the way, her Queen of Hearts stunt is not the only reason Melissa is listed. She was The Black Swan, too. Scream4man (talk) 19:31, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It was a big part of the importance of these tabbers. Bernnardo (talk) 20:49, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the MOS:TV guideline, particularly WP:TVCAST. It says the following under WP:TVCAST: The cast listing should not contain an episode count, e.g. (# episodes), to indicate the number of episodes in which the actor/character appeared. If an actor misses an episode due to a real world occurrence, such as an injury that prevents them from appearing, this info can be noted in the character's description or "Production" section with a reliable source. This applies to all articles about TV series. This was also discussed on the Television project talk page, under Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television/Archive 5#Addendum to the Cast section. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:16, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thank you. But I can't find anywhere why this change was necessary. Bernnardo (talk) 22:11, 20 April 2016

Because it is basically impossible to source "number of episode appearances" for any TV show castmember to a reliable secondary source (see: WP:RS). And any editor sitting there and watching the episodes to "count" the number of episode appearances counts as Original research. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:54, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Nia Peeples (Pam Fields) under the main cast section? She has never been part of the main cast. She has always been listed as a recurring guess star. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.189.223.30 (talk) 12:01, May 8, 2016‎ (UTC)

In the first season she is actually credited as main cast. Don't forget to sign your comments. Brocicle (talk) 14:32, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Give us some episodes.. For example Nia Peeples is credited as a Guest in 1x02.. Bernnardo (talk) 17:00, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In the pilot she's credited in the main cast. Pilot still counts. If it bothers you that much have her as recurring and add a note that she was credit as main in the pilot only. Encyclopedic entries reflect facts and it's a fact if you can be bothered rewatching the first five minutes of the first episode. Brocicle (talk) 18:02, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Samara Cook has appeared in 5 episodes of the series. 1 in Season 1 and 4 in Season 2 :) 82.31.190.226 (talk) 15:08, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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This article needs to be changed due to the incorrect characters on the table. Nia Peeples is credited as a main cast member during the first season when she was in fact never a main cast member. her name and character needs to be taken off the main cast list and added to the recurring cast list. She was also not a guest in season 5 either, so she needs recurring seasons 1-6 on her table. 174.17.211.201 (talk) 21:22, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  22:40, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why has he been moved to the main cast list? He has always been credited as recurring. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.189.223.30 (talk) 12:08, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The main characters section currently includes only Aria, Emily, Hanna, Spencer, Alison and Mona. However, they aren't the only main characters. Ezra, Caleb, and now Mary and Jessica are also main. Ashley, Ella, Byron, Pam and Maya were in the past. Scream4man (talk) 20:26, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why has none of the notable male characters not got stand alone articles?--92.40.1.80 (talk) 17:51, 30 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sabrina, played by Lulu Brud, already appeared in more than five episodes, but she still not having a own section on this page. MRS. HASTINGS (talk) 21:38, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yvonne has appeared in 5 episodes (3 in S6 and 2 in S7) ._. Along with Samara Cook (1 in S1 and 4 in S2) :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.250.190 (talk) 11:49, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jason DiLaurentis and Paige McCullers has appeared in S7. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.121.170.57 (talk) 13:23, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Please change it to say that Veronica is a guest in season 7, and that Noel and Jenna are recurring also Yourboynick (talk) 01:26, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- Dane2007 ^talk 01:32, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mrs. Grunwald appears in season 4, 5 and 7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.57.255.119 (talk) 19:35, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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In Season 7, Laura Leighton is still credited as Main, despited appearing only in a few episodes. And Julian Morris is only in two episodes, so he should be a Guest and not Recurring. 46.189.195.50 (talk) 12:59, 18 June 2017 (UTC) 46.189.195.50 (talk) 12:59, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

•  Done Brocicle (talk) 13:25, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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please may I put Toby cavanaugh as a main cast since he is not recurring is in fact there throughout the whole of pretty little liars 109.152.164.86 (talk) 07:54, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

•  Not done No, he is not credit with the main cast therefore he is not part of the main cast. Brocicle (talk) 11:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Should we change the recurring status to 3 or more? The reason I am suggesting this is because a lot of recurring characters have recently only had like 3 or 4 appearances in a season. For example, Vanessa Ray only has four appearances in Season 7, but I'd consider her recurring. Same with her in Season 4. She had only 3 appearances but played a major role and was revealed to be an A-Team member and Red Coat in her episodes. Or another example is Sydney in Season 7. She played a somewhat big role but only had 3 appearances. So should we lower it to 3? Scream4man (talk) 19:58, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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please change "he suffers from a mental illness, which has causes him to burst into fits of anger" to "he suffers from a mental illness, which causes him to burst into fits of anger" because of grammatical error.

please change "remove Spencer from the team following her losing to Mona in a quiz-off," to "remove Spencer from the team following her loss to Mona in a quiz-off," in order to improve clarity of sentence.

please change "Her and Toby decide to move out of Rosewood but are in an accident before they get far. After hitting a deer, her and Toby are sent to the Hospital and is sent into a medically induced coma due to the severity of her injuries. She wakes up from her coma but is still very weak. She accepts Toby's idea that they marry that very day despite her being in the hospital bed. As her and Toby celebrate, they discuss where they want to go for their honeymoon." to "She and Toby decide to move out of Rosewood but are in an accident before they get far. After hitting a deer, she and Toby are sent to the Hospital and is sent into a medically induced coma due to the severity of her injuries. She wakes up from her coma but is still very weak. She accepts Toby's idea that they marry that very day despite her being in the hospital bed. As she and Toby celebrate, they discuss where they want to go for their honeymoon." because of grammatical error.

please change " Mary's whereabouts after that are unknown but she returns to Rosewood after her daughters death," to "Mary's whereabouts after that are unknown but she returns to Rosewood after her daughter's death," because of grammatical error. 2600:1702:3AD1:1CA0:F5:E0F4:C7D0:7716 (talk) 02:44, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done all, thanks! ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 13:34, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Should we update this to include the characters from the whole franchise similar to how shows like Full House and Fuller House have one character page under List of Full House and Fuller House characters. Similarly, List of Once Upon a Time characters contains characters from Once Upon a Time in Wonderland. The tables would be easy enough to update (although I say we get rid of the recurring cast table altogether, most shows on here don't include one and it feels unnecessary to me). For the main cast table it would be:

Character	Portrayed by	Pretty Little Liars							RW	PLL:TP
		Season 1	Season 2	Season 3	Season 4	Season 5	Season 6	Season 7	Season 1	Season 1
Spencer Hastings	Troian Bellisario	Main							Does not appear
Alex Drake		Does not appear						Main	Does not appear
Hanna Marin	Ashley Benson	Main							Guest	Does not appear
Ella Montgomery	Holly Marie Combs	Main			Guest	Recurring		Guest	Does not appear
Aria Montgomery	Lucy Hale	Main							Does not appear
Ezra Fitz	Ian Harding	Main							Does not appear
Maya St. Germain	Bianca Lawson	Main[a]		Guest	Does not appear
Ashley Marin	Laura Leighton	Main[b]							Does not appear
Byron Montgomery	Chad Lowe	Main			Guest	Recurring		Guest	Does not appear
Emily Fields	Shay Mitchell	Main							Does not appear	Photo
Pam Fields	Nia Peeples	Main[c]	Recurring			Guest	Recurring	Guest	Does not appear
Alison DiLaurentis	Sasha Pieterse	Main[d]							Does not appear	Main
Caleb Rivers	Tyler Blackburn	Recurring		Main[e]						Does not appear
Mona Vanderwaal	Janel Parrish	Recurring		Main					Does not appear	Main
Jessica DiLaurentis	Anne Marie DeLuise	Guest	Does not appear
	Andrea Parker	Does not appear	Guest	Does not appear	Recurring	Guest		Main	Does not appear
Mary Drake		Does not appear			Guest	Does not appear	Guest	Main	Does not appear
Miranda Collins	Nicole Gale Anderson	Does not appear			Guest	Does not appear			Main	Does not appear
Raymond Collins	Steven Cabral	Does not appear							Main	Does not appear
Luke Matheson	Brett Dier	Does not appear			Guest	Does not appear			Main	Does not appear
Remy Beaumont	Britne Oldford	Does not appear							Main	Does not appear
Dillon Sanders	Luke Benward	Does not appear							Main	Does not appear
Olivia Matheson	Merritt Patterson	Does not appear							Main	Does not appear
Ava Jalali	Sofia Carson	Does not appear								Main
Caitlin Park-Lewis	Sydney Park	Does not appear								Main
Dylan Walker	Eli Brown	Does not appear								Main
Taylor Hotchkiss	Hayley Erin	Does not appear								Main
Jeremy Beckett	Graeme Thomas King	Does not appear								Main
Claire Hotchkiss	Kelly Rutherford	Does not appear								Main

Notes

For me, I think this would be a better summary now that the show has expanded into a full franchise. 72.82.29.156 (talk) 02:23, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]